GDT: Kings off-season thread

[AbsentMojo]

I'd be reluctant to trade Kupari.

He has all the attributes.

He's progressed further along each year.

I think he's sort of a slow burn prospect. He'll be a quality NHLer, but his path is long.

I agree - he reminds me of Kempe in many ways .. size, skates well, better as a wing - and as u said slower developing.. lets not forget he had an ACL which slowed him down 9 months

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Which part of what I said was wrong and why was it wrong? I know it’s hard for you to qualify your opinions but I insist, if almost everyone is wrong , then what makes you right ? Can you lay it out for me?

Respond to the post and break it down for me.

I genuinely don’t know how you can look at this team with the failures in forward star power and think this was a good year. I’d be happier if the Kings missed the playoffs and the prospects looked good in forward.

The only legitimate observation is that this year was an anomaly. Kopitar will continue to get worse and it looks very likely that prospects won’t get that much better to offset anything.

Unless for some reason you saw star potential in the forwards for some bizarre reason that many others aren’t.

Decent amount of you guys are looking at this season without any context. They made it to the playoffs but no one is thinking about what made them get there.

Similarly the same people who saw game 1 Kopitar getting a ton of ice time and getting a W thinking that the context of the win was working Kopitar to death. And then he looked shit most of the series.

Look at the context, not the result. Anomalies are anomalies but context will provide a better understanding of the future outcomes.

And also, I don’t see Kempe being as good next season as he was this season.he had an anomalous year. Kopitar is only going to get worse. What are we looking at exactly? Be realistic.

Did anyone in their right minds think that William Karlsson randomly broke out into a prolific goal scorer in one season? No. There was nothing to suggest that he would retain that new found glory. His career suggested that he’d come down to earth and boy he did.


Kings were lucky this season. The only way the Kings do better next season is if Blake fires the entire staff and gets Trotz. Better special teams will win more games, and better development team for the prospects will be huge however there’s nothing to indicate that anyone will be losing their job.

The Kings were anything but lucky this year. You don’t have the injuries that they had and get by on luck.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If this has been posted please ignore. if not, please dont ignore - i esp want @Raccoon Jesus take ASAP

Oh man oh man. RJ is probably super pissed right now and doesn’t know why. Wait until he logs on lol.

A team with good coaching is an ideology you don’t support ? Nice. Lmao.

Already addressed in another thread but he's not wrong, AA is eminently talented

You'll notice he didnt' call him a good hockey player

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

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[AbsentMojo]

Already addressed in another thread but he's not wrong, AA is eminently talented

You'll notice he didnt' call him a good hockey player

Got it.. is that what the allusion to lombardi/parse was ?- its sort of a backhanded compliment? i dont recall that interaction w Lomardi/Parse

 

[Mats26]

You can't say Nylander is a no go due to character flaws and then suggest Scheifele is the answer. Have you been paying attention to what's going on in Winnipeg? I don't want him near our young players.

A talented player, but also a selfish douche with no interest in anything on the defensive side of the red line. He can't be a veteran voice with any sort of clout in a dressing room. He needs a team with a Byfuglien-type to keep everybody in line. I don't think we're it.

We have a player that got suspended for biting another player (maybe more than once) and your worried about a 80pt centerman being a douche? If I am leading a team possibly into contention and my GM trades my 40 goal winger I'll be pissed off too.

Scheifele would be a huge add for our powerplay and offense. Danault will wear the C in 2 years meanwhile Kopitar steps back into a 3C role until QB takes over and moves up the lineup.

 

[bmr]

Biggest takeaway from this season for me: gratitude. This Kings team was fun to watch, they didn't have any quit in them and finally started to show a lot of the emotion we were all looking for.

The best moment for me by far this year was being able to watch Danault at work. There are some guys in this league that you can literally slot in anywhere and they will have huge impact. He is one of those guys. Single best signing Blake has made by far.

I keep thinking that if we had that 2012/2014 Williams/Kopitar/Brown line we definitely could have beaten Edmonton, especially if Doughty was healthy. We really gotta find that guy to pair with Kopitar and Kempe.

I think a big part of the reason Iafallo became derailed was when he was off the Danault line. Look at how poor Arvidsson, Moore and Iafallo were playing until paired with Danault. It's just that some players don't click with others. It's amazing when you have that chemistry over the course of a season. I remember when that 70s line was as fun to watch as any in the league for awhile.

We are going to have an abundance of depth on D and hopefully Blake has a good gameplan for who stays and who goes. I know we have a size issue, but I would really be upset if they traded Spence or Durzi at this point. I really hope we can sign Edler for another year. As much as I never thought I'd say it, Maatta was a very predictable and calming influence this year, especially in the 2nd half. I would re-sign him but not at his current number. Too much talent and not enough spots. I'm okay with kicking the tires on Chychrun because of his size/skill, but I think his number is going to be too high and I just don't see that as a game changer to get this team to the next level.

As far as the offense goes, I think we really need to be careful with trying to hit a home run on this and definitely try to build from within as much as possible. You have to think that Byfield, Kaliyev and others will take another step in the right direction next year. I'd really like to see Fagemo get a look. I think he can be very effective on this team if given the chance, with scoring upside. I definitely don't want to see us resign AA. While he has some incredible skill, he just doesn't mesh well with this team and has been injured too much.

All in all, a successful season. We lost a lot of man games to injury and I think this series could have gone very differently if we had Arvidsson and Doughty available.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Not really sure what there is to take away from the season. They did so many things wrong. They matched up so well against the East, but did so poorly against the West. They got 99pts which I think is top 5 or top 10 all time for the team? But they minimized losing streaks and actually managed to have some decently long winning streaks. The off-season and camp should be really interesting.

 

[Schrute farms]

...attack

 

[Ollie Weeks]

Can you elaborate a little on this? I really have no idea.

This is a mix of what’s been sporadicly discussed in the media and what I’ve heard from friends of friends who are in the know. Browsing the jets board as well. Long story short is Wheeler and Schiefele have been legends in their own minds, and doing whatever they want on the ice because Maurice loved them. They don’t have a ton of accountability or command much respect, but they are the current leaders in the room. Byfuglien leaving weakened the room significantly, he didn’t take bullshit (he was the guy throwing Kane’s track suit in the showed as you may recall). Those two helped run Laine out of town (a good or bad move depending on your perspective, bad to mine although Dubois has been great). Until recently they’ve been too good to justify getting rid of, but that is changing. Current core has run its course. Just contrast the end of year interviews from Stastny (nobody respects each other, nobody believes in each other, team first) and Schieffle (I have to see where this team is going, for my own best interests in the future).

Too much stink around Wheeler and Schiefle for far too long to make me interested in bringing them into this environment.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

what do you guys think about

adding Malkin 2 x ~ $6-7m per , despite his injuries. I think he can be an excellent mentor for the kids

adding Chiarot for 3-4yrs to round up our bottom LD , a guy that can go up and down the lineup when needed

these two signings would be of course contingent on the fact that we add a top forward via trade as well

 

[johnjm22]

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His 5on5 P60 was 3.43. Best on the Panthers. The Kings best 5on5 P60 scorer was Arvidisson at 2.34.

I find him intriguing because he could be had for relatively cheap considering he's not an established scorer (while still having the upside to be a scorer). He's also relatively young and will be 27 in the first year of his new deal.

I mentioned previously he has a connection to Trevor Moore as well.

You have Marchment, Lemieux, and a big mean LHD, and suddenly the Kings are a pain in the ass to play against.

 

[Sol]

Does Inflammatory work for you, junior

 

[King'sPawn]

Durzi just had one of those moments. Are you ok with him on the team?

This is a false equivalence. Durzi is already on the team and was kind of a throw-in to a bigger deal. You have to trade valuable assets to get Nylander, which I understand is what others don't want to do.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

This is a mix of what’s been sporadicly discussed in the media and what I’ve heard from friends of friends who are in the know. Browsing the jets board as well. Long story short is Wheeler and Schiefele have been legends in their own minds, and doing whatever they want on the ice because Maurice loved them. They don’t have a ton of accountability or command much respect, but they are the current leaders in the room. Byfuglien leaving weakened the room significantly, he didn’t take bullshit (he was the guy throwing Kane’s track suit in the showed as you may recall). Those two helped run Laine out of town (a good or bad move depending on your perspective, bad to mine although Dubois has been great). Until recently they’ve been too good to justify getting rid of, but that is changing. Current core has run its course. Just contrast the end of year interviews from Stastny (nobody respects each other, nobody believes in each other, team first) and Schieffle (I have to see where this team is going, for my own best interests in the future).

Too much stink around Wheeler and Schiefle for far too long to make me interested in bringing them into this environment.

I agree with your analysis, but didn't they say similar things about Carter / Richards too?

maybe Scheifele is too comfortable in Winnipeg, maybe if he comes to LA things could change, he wouldn't be "the guy" with Kopitar, Danault, Doughty, Quick in the dressing room

 

[Martyros]

what do you guys think about

adding Malkin 2 x ~ $6-7m per , despite his injuries. I think he can be an excellent mentor for the kids

adding Chiarot for 3-4yrs to round up our bottom LD , a guy that can go up and down the lineup when needed

these two signings would be of course contingent on the fact that we add a top forward via trade as well

If pittsburgh doesn't sign him, he'll get 10 mil somewhere or just leave for Russia.

 

[Master Yoda]

This is a mix of what’s been sporadicly discussed in the media and what I’ve heard from friends of friends who are in the know. Browsing the jets board as well. Long story short is Wheeler and Schiefele have been legends in their own minds, and doing whatever they want on the ice because Maurice loved them. They don’t have a ton of accountability or command much respect, but they are the current leaders in the room. Byfuglien leaving weakened the room significantly, he didn’t take bullshit (he was the guy throwing Kane’s track suit in the showed as you may recall). Those two helped run Laine out of town (a good or bad move depending on your perspective, bad to mine although Dubois has been great). Until recently they’ve been too good to justify getting rid of, but that is changing. Current core has run its course. Just contrast the end of year interviews from Stastny (nobody respects each other, nobody believes in each other, team first) and Schieffle (I have to see where this team is going, for my own best interests in the future).

Too much stink around Wheeler and Schiefle for far too long to make me interested in bringing them into this environment.

I agree with your analysis, but didn't they say similar things about Carter / Richards too?

maybe Scheifele is too comfortable in Winnipeg, maybe if he comes to LA things could change, he wouldn't be "the guy" with Kopitar, Danault, Doughty, Quick in the dressing room

I may be on board with it as well. If he comes, he wouldn't be a part of the "leadership group" so it may end up working as long as he remains a PPG scorer.

 

[Surf Nutz]

I would trade Durzi now when he has some value.
He will be exposed next year even more and will have none.

the kings need goals and ppp goals in addition to a backup goaltender, size and and enforcer in that order. No matter their blemishes any player that has offensive abilities probably needs to be retained including the defensively pock marked AA and SD even though they turned into pylons on the last goal against in game 7. We wouldn't have been there without them. Blake deserves trust and should stick to his pattern of assessing talent that will blossom with the Kings. [MOD]

 

[Surf Nutz]

Kings media fricken sucks not streaming these. They have always been so behind compared to other teams

Lets not have Dr. shin pad shot coaching anyone on shooting. He needs to watch Durzi and Spence and how they get it to the net. And they can all be coached on d by DD.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Which part of what I said was wrong and why was it wrong? I know it’s hard for you to qualify your opinions but I insist, if almost everyone is wrong , then what makes you right ? Can you lay it out for me?

Respond to the post and break it down for me.

I genuinely don’t know how you can look at this team with the failures in forward star power and think this was a good year. I’d be happier if the Kings missed the playoffs and the prospects looked good in forward.

The only legitimate observation is that this year was an anomaly. Kopitar will continue to get worse and it looks very likely that prospects won’t get that much better to offset anything.

Unless for some reason you saw star potential in the forwards for some bizarre reason that many others aren’t.

Decent amount of you guys are looking at this season without any context. They made it to the playoffs but no one is thinking about what made them get there.

Similarly the same people who saw game 1 Kopitar getting a ton of ice time and getting a W thinking that the context of the win was working Kopitar to death. And then he looked shit most of the series.

Look at the context, not the result. Anomalies are anomalies but context will provide a better understanding of the future outcomes.

And also, I don’t see Kempe being as good next season as he was this season.he had an anomalous year. Kopitar is only going to get worse. What are we looking at exactly? Be realistic.

Did anyone in their right minds think that William Karlsson randomly broke out into a prolific goal scorer in one season? No. There was nothing to suggest that he would retain that new found glory. His career suggested that he’d come down to earth and boy he did.


Kings were lucky this season. The only way the Kings do better next season is if Blake fires the entire staff and gets Trotz. Better special teams will win more games, and better development team for the prospects will be huge however there’s nothing to indicate that anyone will be losing their job.

It was a great season, and thats how it will be remembered as will the incorrectness of your calls last year. Clean slate next year to see if you again correlate with your avatar.

Edited.

Yeah I am not being censored so you better block me now.

 

[The Lukeman]

Genuine questions: Should LA explore offloading Petersen?

Is he ever going to solidify himself as the starter? A $5 million backup is a lot. I don't want to give up on him, but he is already going to be 28 this summer...

 

[kingsholygrail]

Genuine questions: Should LA explore offloading Petersen?

Is he ever going to solidify himself as the starter? A $5 million backup is a lot. I don't want to give up on him, but he is already going to be 28 this summer...

If they can move Cal they should. That contract is going to look quite ugly.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Shoulda been rested in game 81. He looked 100% then.

 

[kingsholygrail]

They're gonna give Kempe whatever he wants. I sure hope it doesn't backfire.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Shoulda been rested in game 81. He looked 100% then.

that's like saying the entire starting roster should have been 'rested' in fear of someone getting hurt. Is that reality?

Shoulda rested Doughty the last 20 games of the season too.