Kings Lose 7-2

[DryIslandBartender]

locker room getting stale? did i just read that right? the team just broke the 100pt threshold for just the fourth time in its history even after a god-awful January. i swear, some people on here are acting like we're the god damn Edmonton Oilers. pull your head out of your you-know-what

Who the hell cares what they did in the regular season? They won the Jennings trophy...how does that help us now? Sharks completely obliterated that accomplishment. It means nothing at this point and obviously given your statement and by the players attitude in this series, they thought they could just waltz through this one because of their regular season accomplishments and past playoff experience. That's the definition of getting stale, there's no hunger any more. It's like the Rocky III movie where he loses the hunger and the eye of the tiger, Kings just don't have IT and have 1 day to find IT or the series is over.

IDAF if they got 150 points. In these two playoff games, the Kings got absolutely screwed in the you-know-what....dry.

13 goals in 2 games is pathetic.

 

[lexlavender]

That is giving this core another pass......Sutter will be the last coach Lombardi hires.

Even so if Sutter is fired, he will be replaced with a (similar coach).

It's time to start looking at the Core for lack of emotion.

All you ever hear about Sutter from EVERYONE in the NHL (players included).

Is Sutter is an INTENSE Guy.......

Sutter does not lack emotion or intensity......That has defined Sutter as a person his whole life.


It's time to start shipping out players for lack of production and emotion.

Lombardi resigns guy's like Clifford/Lewis....Then everyone wonders why the Kings can't produce offense.

I actually never meant to blame Sutter, I think he is a good coach and I think that his even keel approach is actually an excellent competitive mindset. It is entirely the players fault, and it is a warping of the mindset that Sutter is trying to impart.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

You're not trying hard enough.

King-Stoll-Lewis
Clifford-Richards-Williams
Pearson-Carter-Toffoli
Brown-Kopitar-Gaborik

Regehr-Mitchell
Martinez-Voynov
Muzzin-Greene
Doughty

Berube
Jones

i'll take it a step further


Pearson - Vey - Toffoli
Berube - Quick - Jones
Clifford - Nolan - Brown
Gaborik - Kopitar - Carter

McNabb - Schultz
Bodnarchuk - Forbert
Campbell - Palffy
Doughty

Greene
Hrudey

 

[Little Psycho]

Hopefully the Sharks beat the Ducks in the next round.

Yup and hopefully they come really close to winning the cup, but end up having an eastern team snatch it from their hands.

Don't care if them winning would be good for cali blah blah. I don't like some of their guys so seeing them choke and falter brings me joy.

 

[PredragD]

Sit Richards and Greene. Keep D pairings the same. They should roll:

Gaborik - Kopitar - Carter (go all-in top line)
Pearson - Toffoli - Williams (good speed)
King - Stoll - Lewis
Clifford - Nolan - Brown

Muzzin - Doughty
Regehr - Voynov
Mitchell - Martinez

Quick

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Also, props to Voynov for showing up physically, the guy is a monster in every scrum. Things might not be going great but at least he's showing emotion. I nearly jumped off the couch when he floored Burns.

 

[Reclamation Project]

For chirping? Piss off. That's a joke. Just like four minutes for Richards.

 

[lexlavender]

Also, props to Voynov for showing up physically, the guy is a monster in every scrum. Things might not be going great but at least he's showing emotion. I nearly jumped off the couch when he floored Burns.

I think Voynov has been one of the better defense men this series. That's not saying much, but still...

 

[Herby]

I just don't buy that he would have any value, the contract this year may not have been worst in the league, but it certainly was in the team picture. When you are making almost $6 million a year and are one of your teams worst players for 3/4 of the season, you know it's a huge problem.

Dallas fans say they may want him, but I have a hard time believing Jimmy Nill would want anything to do with that contract, and he knows the Kings are a team that will spend to the cap, so why help out a potential playoff rival down the road by taking $36 million of cap space away that you know they will re-use. Dallas is probably 2/3 years away from contending, getting MR aint pushing them over the top and when they are ready to contend they aren't going to want to have an albatross likely 4th line player taking up all the cap space that could be used to better the team. I think the Dallas fans on the main board are much like many people on this board were for awhile, they were judging the player based on past returns and not current and more importantly future returns. Management teams have scouts, video and advanced stats to judge players, and none of those things are going to make anyone want anything to do with MR, and certainly not for a younger and better roster player.

Edmonton and Florida you say, well yes they are near the cap floor so adding $6 million to their cap right now wouldn't be an issue, but the management teams in Florida and Edmonton have to believe their teams are around four years away from contending (don't laugh) and again, do you think in 2018 or 2019 when Florida is looking to add a key piece they are going to want the cap space and not have it being used on a 34 year old Mike Richards. Edmonton and Florida are the types of team that would be interested in MR if/when he is bought out and they can sign him for 3-4 years less at probably a 50-60% discount on what they would pay him now.

We will see, I am still of the opinion that unless the Kings retain a good portion of the cap hit or take back another awful contract in the deal that the compliance buyout is going to be the only way to rid ourselves of this unsightly contract. The compliance buyout was negotiated into the CBA for situations just like this.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

For chirping? Piss off. That's a joke. Just like four minutes for Richards.

Well, I didn't see anything else, but tbh our camera guys were probably putting forth the same effort as the team by the third period, so eh

 

[damacles1156]

I just don't buy that he would have any value, the contract this year may not have been worst in the league, but it certainly was in the team picture. When you are making almost $6 million a year and are one of your teams worst players for 3/4 of the season, you know it's a huge problem.

Dallas fans say they may want him, but I have a hard time believing Jimmy Nill would want anything to do with that contract, and he knows the Kings are a team that will spend to the cap, so why help out a potential playoff rival down the road by taking $36 million of cap space away that you know they will re-use. Dallas is probably 2/3 years away from contending, getting MR aint pushing them over the top and when they are ready to contend they aren't going to want to have an albatross likely 4th line player taking up all the cap space that could be used to better the team. I think the Dallas fans on the main board are much like many people on this board were for awhile, they were judging the player based on past returns and not current and more importantly future returns. Management teams have scouts, video and advanced stats to judge players, and none of those things are going to make anyone want anything to do with MR, and certainly not for a younger and better roster player.

Edmonton and Florida you say, well yes they are near the cap floor so adding $6 million to their cap right now wouldn't be an issue, but the management teams in Florida and Edmonton have to believe their teams are around four years away from contending (don't laugh) and again, do you think in 2018 or 2019 when Florida is looking to add a key piece they are going to want the cap space and not have it being used on a 34 year old Mike Richards. Edmonton and Florida are the types of team that would be interested in MR if/when he is bought out and they can sign him for 3-4 years less at probably a 50-60% discount on what they would pay him now.

We will see, I am still of the opinion that unless the Kings retain a good portion of the cap hit or take back another awful contract in the deal that the compliance buyout is going to be the only way to rid ourselves of this unsightly contract. The compliance buyout was negotiated into the CBA for situations just like this.

Tallon will take Richards, but a Similar contract will be coming back too the Kings(or salary retention).

Same deal with EDM.

Those teams are not going to take Richards free and clear.

People are day dreaming.

 

[Herby]

locker room getting stale? did i just read that right? the team just broke the 100pt threshold for just the fourth time in its history even after a god-awful January. i swear, some people on here are acting like we're the god damn Edmonton Oilers. pull your head out of your you-know-what

Did you follow hockey before the new rules?

A 100 point team in 2014 means nothing. The shootout and the loser point have cheapened what 100 points means.

This was not one of the best Kings teams of all-time, they were simply a team that finished 3rd in their division and 6th in their conference. This was an average run of the mill playoff team, two years after winning a championship, yes I think stale is a fair word.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Then where has their heart been the last two seasons?

If you think the Kings lacked heart last year, then you're just watching some other game. They went into the playoffs without Mitchell, Greene was never healthy, Martinez wasn't playing well, Scuderi was old, Doughty didn't play well, Muzzin was a rookie, and they still made it to the 3rd round.

They don't even lack heart this year. They're just playing very poorly, and the Sharks are playing stupidly good.

Don't start with fights at the end of a game either. They're worth about as much as the 3 goals the Kings scored in the 3rd period in Game 1.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Well, I didn't see anything else, but tbh our camera guys were probably putting forth the same effort as the team by the third period, so eh

Hahahaha. So damn true. I love Fox saying "We'll get a better angle here. Guess we won't."

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

On the contrary, I'm pissed that they waited till down big before they showed some guts, and even then it wasn't even a big push, it was a half-assed "guess I'd better do something" scrum with a couple of face washes. Embarrassing. Either start doing that when it's close/tied or don't do it at all, and if you do it at all, you certainly have to make them feel it.

 

[damacles1156]

Not even really worried, the Hawks looked pretty bad in their two first round exits.

Heck Toews right now is playing like Garbage, Keith too.

I guess sometimes......You just don't have it.

Kings going out in the first round, may actually be better for the Core.

Maybe they work harder next year.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

100th point mark? 6th in the West and we're considered elite? We didn't have a great year.

And Brad, last year, we got out played every series, and our talent got us through it. Not heart. The Kings lost a lot of battles in every series. We got out played by the sharks last year, and the Blues. It's been two years.

 

[YP44]

Not even really worried, the Hawks looked pretty bad in their two first round exits.

Heck Toews right now is playing like Garbage, Keith too.

I guess sometimes......You just don't have it.

Kings going out in the first round, may actually be better for the Core.

Maybe they work harder next year.

Toews is injured.

 

[Herby]

Tallon will take Richards, but a Similar contract will be coming back too the Kings(or salary retention).

Same deal with EDM.

Those teams are not going to take Richards free and clear.

People are day dreaming.

But Florida doesn't really have any awful contracts to send back. They have Jovo but he only has one year left, and I guess Campbell with two years left could be an option.

Edmonton has nothing that would be considered a bad contract.

And that is the problem, there are very few contracts quite like MR's in the NHL. A player who was terrible this season, is on the decline and signed at the rate of a great 2nd liner for the next six seasons after this one. There are not many comparable situations like that, everyone who had deals like that have been bought out or are prime candidates to be bought out this summer.

I just don't see any situation where anyone takes him without the Kings retaining. And it makes no sense for the Kings to retain, they are better off buying out.

 

[damacles1156]

Toews is injured.

Well Toews and Kane are both hurting.

But Toews has cost his team in the first two games.....It's been an unlike Toews performance so far.

 

[Reclamation Project]

100th point mark? 6th in the West and we're considered elite? We didn't have a great year.

And Brad, last year, we got out played every series, and our talent got us through it. Not heart. The Kings lost a lot of battles in every series. We got out played by the sharks last year, and the Blues. It's been two years.

There was very little talent in that series.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Have I mentioned I hate the smug SJ media?

They're only outdone by the likes of Russo and Dater.

 

[damacles1156]

Have I mentioned I hate the smug SJ media?

They're only outdone by the likes of Russo and Dater.

Well they have a lot too be happy about. This SJ core just may be showing signs of finally tired of losing in the playoff's.

I give full props to the Sharks, the Kings are getting outclassed.

You know who has made a huge impact on SJ I think....Larry Robinson.

 

[jml87]

Not many are hitting 50 goals these days.

I think you can link the numbers of Kopitar and Williams to the down year Brown had. If he had his normal 20+ goal, 50+ point season, Kopitar and Williams would've had more points. Richards disappeared, so anyone playing on a line with him would've been out there with only 3 other guys. The Kings were expecting 40+ combined goals out of Richards and Brown. They got less than 30. Muzzin and Voynov couldn't buy a goal.

It's not about predictable systems. Everything is on video. Every team know what every other team is doing. There are no secrets. It's about execution. Funny jokes aside, the Kings haven't done anything right in the first two games.

Carter had 26 goals in 48 games last year. It wasn't unreasonable to think he could get to 50 or at the very least hit 40. Again, I don't think this is fault, I just don't think the system we employ rewards offensive players.

Brown also spent the majority of the season on another line so you can point to Brown a bit but he's not the sole cause for less points. And who exactly was Richards bringing down? Since the olympic break he played some time with Carter and a random LW. Carter, during that time had 7 points. After that point, he put Richards with Clifford and Lewis. They put up their normal numbers. Carter was with the rookies. During that time, Carter had 6 points so no difference in production from him. The only person who might've suffered truthfully is Williams who just doesn't mesh well with Richards and spent probably a month where neither of them were really doing anything. But other than that, playing with Richards hasn't changed anyone's production for better or worse. And yeah, Voynov and Muzzin couldn't buy a goal. How does that hurt my argument that this system does not reward offense?

And I know that everything is on video, but how exactly do you explain losing to this team two weeks ago 2-1 and now giving up 13 goals in 2 games. Maybe they started paying closer attention to the tapes and saw how to better get through the Kings. It's just hard for me to say they aren't playing hard enough or they just aren't executing the system right, when they just suddenly start losing by 5 goals. Did they suddenly forget to how the system worked? Or is it because this grinding style we have can't keep up the pace with a much faster and skilled team?

 

[KingKopitar11*]

There was very little talent in that series.

Then I don't know how people can say getting outplayed consistently and winning the series is heart. Heart is not having the talent and out playing the talented team imo because there was barely any compete from the Kings last playoffs. Just lots of opportunistic plays and luck. And the other teamss sshooting themselves in the foot.