Kings Lose 7-2

[Reaper45]

Alex Chiasson.

Would likely have to add to get him but I would.

 

[YP44]

Maybe this is the Sharks year? Of course if the Kings win Game 3 and do it playing Kings-style hockey the pressure will go back onto the Sharks, who will have the choking label on them until they lift the Cup. That's a lot of pressure and they need 14 more wins to get there. As a Kings fan there isn't a single thing to be happy about, no moral victories, no shot count battles, they have been dominated. It's like Sensei Kreese is the Sharks coach and he told his players he doesn't want them beat...

Last year against the blues the kings were done 2-0 but at least they had hit the blues the first two games. The blues looked banged up and beaten in game 3. The sharks seem to be just gaining momentum.

 

[YP44]

A Dallas fan on the main board seems to think a Richards for one of Roussel, Garbutt or potentially Chiasson could work. Would you guys do it? Which one would you prefer?

I would rather get Goligoski

 

[Arrhizal]

Doesn't matter if it 6:3 or 7:2. Still just one win on home ice. Still think the Kings can even things out at home. Same thing happened to my home team a few years ago, lost the first two QF away games 7:2 and 8:1, completely outclassed, and then advanced to the SF by stealing an away game. I believe.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This may not relate to the Kings, but an interesting read on how Rob Scuderi has been the weak link on the Penguins defense:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/4/...efense-analysis-penguins-stanley-cup-playoffs

The blame lies with Shero and the front office for trying to recreate some four-year-old Stanley Cup magic by signing a 35-year-old player to a large contract -- one larger than they were willing or able to offer four years ago when he was closer to his career peak.

The blame also lies with the coaching staff for continuing to give Scuderi major minutes in key situations and asking him to do things he should no longer be reasonably expected to do.

It's something they need to stop doing (and soon) if they want to come anywhere close to making any sort of a lengthy playoff run.

We all saw it last year where Scuderi had slowed down significantly and was being beat by fast teams, and we also saw the same happen to Regehr and Greene in last year's playoffs. We're seeing it once again with Regehr, Greene, and Mitchell. Not only are they older, but their bodies are beat up and they simply can't keep up with the pace of the game and against their opponents.

What this team needs is more mobility on the blueline. They need defensemen who aren't going to get beat wide by an onrushing attack, which is what has happened repeatedly when the elder defensemen on this team are on the ice.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

This may not relate to the Kings, but an interesting read on how Rob Scuderi has been the weak link on the Penguins defense:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/4/...efense-analysis-penguins-stanley-cup-playoffs


We all saw it last year where Scuderi had slowed down significantly and was being beat by fast teams, and we also saw the same happen to Regehr and Greene in last year's playoffs. We're seeing it once again with Regehr, Greene, and Mitchell. Not only are they older, but their bodies are beat up and they simply can't keep up with the pace of the game and against their opponents.

What this team needs is more mobility on the blueline. They need defensemen who aren't going to get beat wide by an onrushing attack, which is what has happened repeatedly when the elder defensemen on this team are on the ice.

so dress McNabb, Schultz, and Campbell
scratch Regehr, Greene, and Mitchell is what you're saying...

...or this that what i'm saying

 

[lexlavender]

The last two games were disgusting. I don't know what to do, but I think that it is the Defense's fault. RR and Green have both been primarily responsible for alot of goals, ESPECIALLY the goals that got the Sharks going. Idk what we can do, but I say call up a Dman immediately. We need someone who at least can keep up with the Sharks, and someone who is hungry to win.

Move Richards to the fourth line, which is what will happen now that we have home ice. Pearson is going to move into a line with Carter and Toffoli.

Also we need to shoot more. We keep looking and looking, maintaining possession, but that's what the Sharks D wants. They keep us to the outside, make us take a bad shot, take over possession, move quickly into the rush, have one of our Dmen make a bad move to try and maintain possession, they get around him, and now have an outnumbered attack. How many times has that happened this series?

Focus less on possession, more on control. Puck possession is awesome, but if you scramble and make stupid decisions to get the puck back afterwards, your going to give up alot, especially against a fast sharks team that is not afraid of trying to get around dmen vs. dumping or chipping the puck.

Quick needs to be better, or he needs to be scratched. Idk how, or what the hell is happening with him, but he needs to get his head into the game. He's being over aggressive and it's killing us. The entire team is being aimlessly aggressive and it's killing us.

just my two cents. Hopefully they can pull out a better game. Luckily these losses have allowed me to give up hope for the season, so if they comeback it will be amazing. If not....we're going to have an interesting off season.

 

[jml87]

Ditto.

Key word I mentioned to a buddy on Facebook - complacency. Maybe the players are satisfied with a single ring. I'll tell you what, as a fan, I'm not. I want more.

Anyone that wants to rest on their laurels needs to have their role as a player on this team evaluated. I know Dean isn't satisfied winning one Cup along with Quick and Kopitar. I've heard all three outwardly confirm that many times.

I don't believe that. Last year, they fought through a ton of injuries and played two incredibly hard fought rounds to make it to the conference finals. You can look back at the interviews after the game and see that they hated going home empty handed even after they'd just won the cup the year before. I don't think that sentiment has changed.

 

[JoeThorntonsRooster]

Sharks fan coming in peace here

You guys will definitely find a suitor for Richards next year. I think Edmonton is gonna get over excited with the idea of "grit" and "leadership" and trade Yakupov for Richards. It just seems too logical and too Edmonton-like for it not to happen. Deano will sell it as an unlucky year for Richards, and praise his fantastic work ethic, telling MacT that Richards is the type of player that will get them back to their glory days.

 

[YP44]

Sharks fan coming in peace here

You guys will definitely find a suitor for Richards next year. I think Edmonton is gonna get over excited with the idea of "grit" and "leadership" and trade Yakupov for Richards. It just seems too logical and too Edmonton-like for it not to happen. Deano will sell it as an unlucky year for Richards, and praise his fantastic work ethic, telling MacT that Richards is the type of player that will get them back to their glory days.

I still don't think that Richards gets moved.
If he was Edmonton would be a good fit, but I doubt we could land Yak.
plus we would have no RW spot for him unless Williams is also moved out.

 

[KingPuckChoo]

Sharks fan coming in peace here

You guys will definitely find a suitor for Richards next year. I think Edmonton is gonna get over excited with the idea of "grit" and "leadership" and trade Yakupov for Richards. It just seems too logical and too Edmonton-like for it not to happen. Deano will sell it as an unlucky year for Richards, and praise his fantastic work ethic, telling MacT that Richards is the type of player that will get them back to their glory days.

LOL

the only reason i'd take Yakupov is that it's time for us model our team on SJ

we need skill not just these character guys that lack character

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Richards probably returns next year, see if he can reclaim the reputation he had built himself as a winner. If he struggles again, then it's certainly time to cut ties with him.

 

[YP44]

Richards probably returns next year, see if he can reclaim the reputation he had built himself as a winner. If he struggles again, then it's certainly time to cut ties with him.

I agree. There will plenty of teams looking for veteran center depth at the deadline

 

[kingscourt26]

All I know is Gaborik and Kopitar is the combo this team has lacked for many, many years.



I love Doughty and wouldn't take a single defender over him. That being said, he's not captain material at all. Yet. I agree on all points.

I've defended Brown so many times this season and STILL stand by that. He's having a down year - the first of his career.

Brown has peaked. A player like him doesn't get better going into his 30s.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

We need guys to stop turning the puck over. Most of the goals being scored on Quick are a direct result of a bad pass, exposing our extremely slow defense. Regehr, Mitchell, and Greene look like they are are skating in wet cement.

Looks like DL had the right idea in trading for McNabb, but its too bad the kid isn't ready yet and might not be for next season. We'll need to dump all three vets (Greene, Mitchell, and RR )and bring in some bridge players until our young prospects are ready to take over.

 

[Johnny Utah]

Why does it look like Kyle Clifford and Matt Greene are the only ones mad about losing?

Dwight King looks to be holding up his skirt in scrums.

The defense only has two older D-men now in RR and Mitchell, so blaming the mobility is strange because Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Voynov are younger and more mobile, but still not that fast.

It's not like we had Scuderi, Greene and Mitchell matched each with a puck mover like in 2011-2012. We have one less stay at home D man and one more puck mover.

I think overall the D is not fast anyways and all of them seem to be making poor choices but with Mitchell, Greene and RR playing last night we are really getting exposed.

So disgusting.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

We need guys to stop turning the puck over. Most of the goals being scored on Quick are a direct result of a bad pass, exposing our extremely slow defense. Regehr, Mitchell, and Greene look like they are are skating in wet cement.

Looks like DL had the right idea in trading for McNabb, but its too bad the kid isn't ready yet and might not be for next season. We'll need to dump all three vets (Greene, Mitchell, and RR )and bring in some bridge players until our young prospects are ready to take over.

Problem is, one of the criticisms about McNabb is his foot speed...

Brown has peaked. A player like him doesn't get better going into his 30s.

Maybe not, but I'm willing to bet next season is closer to his career averages than this season.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Why does it look like Kyle Clifford and Matt Greene are the only ones mad about losing?

Dwight King looks to be holding up his skirt in scrums.

So disgusting.

Part that scares me the most :/

And double-negative bonus points for not giving a **** until the game was out of reach, and even then only half-assing a scrum.

I swear to god Quick is dropping the gloves next game ....

 

[KingsFan7824]

Before we start trading or getting rid of guys, I think they need to take a better look at the offensive system. Not even Kopitar with how great a season he's had, actually finished with less points than his normal 82 game season. Obviously, Richards and Brown are the two bad season standouts but the sad thing is if you look at the team leaders, their numbers aren't really out of the ordinary this year. Carter, who I truly thought would go for the 50 mark in goals after his half season last year, finished with only one more goal than 2013. Williams was 16 points below his last full season. King, our most productive LW, had only 30 points. Toffoli, who I think we expected to have a breakout season, had 29 points. Gaborik has been pretty good but not exactly up to his usual quality of scoring.

Not many are hitting 50 goals these days.

I think you can link the numbers of Kopitar and Williams to the down year Brown had. If he had his normal 20+ goal, 50+ point season, Kopitar and Williams would've had more points. Richards disappeared, so anyone playing on a line with him would've been out there with only 3 other guys. The Kings were expecting 40+ combined goals out of Richards and Brown. They got less than 30. Muzzin and Voynov couldn't buy a goal.

Secondly, this defensive system has been ripped to shreds by the sharks and I don't think anyone expects their team to score 8 goals. So the defense is the issue right now. If this system is this predictable that the other team can score 13 goals when they are properly prepared, then it definitely needs to be worked on above all else.

It's not about predictable systems. Everything is on video. Every team know what every other team is doing. There are no secrets. It's about execution. Funny jokes aside, the Kings haven't done anything right in the first two games.

 

[Reclamation Project]

I also love how opposing fans are mocking the "built for the playoffs" line. Pure ignorance. Fact is, no team was better over the last two playoffs collectively than the Kings. Stanley Cup and Western Conference Final. How did the other elite teams fair in that time frame...

Pittsburgh - a roller coaster of a team. Pretty ugly after the Cup.

Chicago - won the Cup in 2010 and didn't make it out of the first round the following two years. Won the cup again last year.

Boston - won the Cup and lost in the first round the following year. Made it back to the Finals and lost to Chicago.

The Kings were due for a down year. Retool, recharge, and make another run next year.

 

[Pucknut50]

This may not relate to the Kings, but an interesting read on how Rob Scuderi has been the weak link on the Penguins defense:

http://www.sbnation.com/nhl/2014/4/...efense-analysis-penguins-stanley-cup-playoffs


We all saw it last year where Scuderi had slowed down significantly and was being beat by fast teams, and we also saw the same happen to Regehr and Greene in last year's playoffs. We're seeing it once again with Regehr, Greene, and Mitchell. Not only are they older, but their bodies are beat up and they simply can't keep up with the pace of the game and against their opponents.

What this team needs is more mobility on the blueline. They need defensemen who aren't going to get beat wide by an onrushing attack, which is what has happened repeatedly when the elder defensemen on this team are on the ice.

Ziggy,

We give up goals - Our defense is to slow. We don't score goals - We need a top six forward. This is a broken record. Yes our back-line is just average in mobility but we still lead the league in fewest goals allowed. Kings are just shell shocked. They for some reason where not ready for the physical play of the playoffs. My feelings is they are just not hungry enough - Richards has won at all levels and at this point looks like he's ready to just to play it out. Brown, Kopitar, Carter, Williams, etc...Have their cup. Getting humiliated may not be the worst thing that ever happened to this group. I look at it as a chance for redemption - What will this team we love do? Fight back or just roll over? We find out Tuesday.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Problem is, one of the criticisms about McNabb is his foot speed...

I stand corrected. I read his prospect report, his skating is an issue that needs work.

 

[MOGlLNY]

Richards probably returns next year, see if he can reclaim the reputation he had built himself as a winner. If he struggles again, then it's certainly time to cut ties with him.

This is exactly what is going to happen, and man do I hope that Richie bounces back. Absolutely love the guy, hope his body hasn't quit on him just yet.

 

[YP44]

Why does it look like Kyle Clifford and Matt Greene are the only ones mad about losing?

Dwight King looks to be holding up his skirt in scrums.

The defense only has two older D-men now in RR and Mitchell, so blaming the mobility is strange because Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez, and Voynov are younger and more mobile, but still not that fast.

It's not like we had Scuderi, Greene and Mitchell matched each with a puck mover like in 2011-2012. We have one less stay at home D man and one more puck mover.

I think overall the D is not fast anyways and all of them seem to be making poor choices but with Mitchell, Greene and RR playing last night we are really getting exposed.

So disgusting.

I thought Stoll looked the most pissed off about getting whooped.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

(Insert Kings player) probably returns next year, see if he can reclaim the reputation he had built himself as a winner. If he struggles again, then it's certainly time to cut ties with him.

FYP.

You could say that about any Kings player at the moment. (Aside from Kopitar, Doughty, Quick)