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Or a bottom six this offensively incompetent. Speed and depth are destroying us. The Sharks 4th line is producing offense, and Stoll is getting totally dominated by Sheppard
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Or a bottom six this offensively incompetent. Speed and depth are destroying us. The Sharks 4th line is producing offense, and Stoll is getting totally dominated by Sheppard
SettlementRichie10
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I worry about that. I honestly, truthfully believe DL is blinded by his personal attachment to most of the core guys. It'll be a cold day in hell when Richards or Brown are sent packing.
Even guys like Greene, who are CLEARLY done, I have a tough time believing will be let go.
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In a 7 game series last year, the Sharks scored a total of 10 goals against the Kings. They have 13 goals in two games this series
KingsFan7824
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jml87
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Guys, I realize that hating Richards and Brown is the cool thing to do but even if they were having the greatest games ever, they aren't making up 5 goal deficits. They aren't gonna score 8 goals a game. Neither of them were even on the ice for any of the Sharks' 7 goals. They are contributing to this problem cause its a teamwide issue, but you can't single them out and say if they weren't there, we'd be up in the series right now.
And it's not like the Kings were outmatched by the Sharks in the regular season either. A week before the season ended, they lost 2-1. I don't know what's happened.
And it's not like the Kings were outmatched by the Sharks in the regular season either. A week before the season ended, they lost 2-1. I don't know what's happened.
SettlementRichie10
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Based on every interview DL has given over the past three years. He calls the players his "sons" for Christ's sake. Jack Johnson is a poor example, considering the rumored bad blood over the Red Berenson thing, and also considering DL was basically forced into making a move that deadline or face losing his job.
Like I said, it will be a cold day in hell when Brown or Richards are traded/waived/whatever under DL's watch. I have my doubts as to whether he can even let Greene go.
DL has done a lot of amazing things with this franchise and as far as I'm concerned, he has the right to be GM for another 20 years, long after guys like Kopitar and Doughty retire and we go through another "5 year plan." But it's plain that DL has married himself to some of these players, specifically the leadership core. It will take another tanked season from Richards and Brown for DL to even begin asking himself the question of moving either.
DL is not perfect. I can commend the guy but I can also criticize. He's hamstrung the team with three lifetime contracts in Richards, Brown, and Quick, all three of which we'll likely hate by their end.
Yeah, blame Lombardi for being reluctant to make changes to a team that won the Stanley Cup and went to the Western Conference Finals in consecutive seasons 
I'm sure he loves "his guys" but what you're portraying is way overblown. Let's not forget being completely screwed over by the salary cap making changes almost impossible. I'd reserve judgement for an off season where change is actually necessary and possible, like this coming one unless they turn it around.
And yes, the problem with this team right now goes far beyond just Richards and Brown. This beating is a team-wide failure on a scale that we have not seen in years and years. They're being out-competed line for line. Those two might be the easiest ones to point the finger to but this won't be a long series unless the whole team starts playing hard and purposeful as a unit.
I'm sure he loves "his guys" but what you're portraying is way overblown. Let's not forget being completely screwed over by the salary cap making changes almost impossible. I'd reserve judgement for an off season where change is actually necessary and possible, like this coming one unless they turn it around.
And yes, the problem with this team right now goes far beyond just Richards and Brown. This beating is a team-wide failure on a scale that we have not seen in years and years. They're being out-competed line for line. Those two might be the easiest ones to point the finger to but this won't be a long series unless the whole team starts playing hard and purposeful as a unit.
Richards isn't going anywhere...need to rebuild the defense..mitchell, greene, regehr, need to go..they just can't carry the mail. trade stoll for whatever ...and inject some youth and speed in bottom six..and resign gabby...yes really quite two games, but i think he works well with kopi.
KingsFan7824
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You believe Lombardi won't get rid of anyone, but all you have to go on is a time when he hasn't had to get rid of anyone. In terms of playoff success, it's been the golden age of Kings hockey over the previous 2 years.
Didn't Johnson sign an extension after the rumored bad blood? Wasn't that rumor one of the things that people thought would keep Johnson from signing with the Kings?
Lombardi is in a tough position a couple years ago, and pulls the trigger on a deal to send one of his first building blocks out of town. Before that, he trades away two of the young players that I don't think anyone would've thought he would've ever traded. It's not like Lombardi hasn't done things when needed.
Sure, trading Richards or Brown after the seasons they've had would be a bit difficult.
Well everyone already hates the Richards one. I'm not sure what else Lombardi was supposed to do with Quick's contract. He was coming off a Cup and Conn Smythe win. Same with Brown. Who knew he'd be as bad as he's been since last year's playoff started?
How about we see how the rest of this playoff series plays out, and then we wait to see what Lombardi does or does not do this summer? Just too many definitive statements thrown around over the last few days. The Kings cannot win. Lombardi won't do A, B, and C. Nobody knows any of that for sure. Nobody would've said that the Sharks would make what the Hawks did to the Kings last year look like pee-wee hockey either.
I was worried about San Jose but this is domination. Quick and the defense have no answer.
Torres, Hertl, and Nieto have made a difference for San Jose.
Honestly, this hasn't looked like our year for some time but how does our defense just disappear? San Jose has had some puck luck but wow, come on.
Unless Richards becomes Mr. Fitness over the summer, I think something will have to be done. He is a shell of what he used to be.
Must win Tuesday, and in a sound fashion.
Torres, Hertl, and Nieto have made a difference for San Jose.
Honestly, this hasn't looked like our year for some time but how does our defense just disappear? San Jose has had some puck luck but wow, come on.
Unless Richards becomes Mr. Fitness over the summer, I think something will have to be done. He is a shell of what he used to be.
Must win Tuesday, and in a sound fashion.
KingsFan7824
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Every player that people worried about, every match up people worried about, every hole in the roster that people worried about, has been engulfed by the Sharks in these 2 games.
Considering that nobody, Kings fans, Sharks fans, other fans, whoever, thought this is how the series would go so far, I don't know that anyone could answer your question. It's just been a total meltdown by the Kings/great play by the Sharks so far.
You mean Sutter wasn't dressing 7 defenseman just for the **** of it? You don't say...
Gaborik shouldn't be brought back, I thought he might be a weapon when he doesn't need to be the guy running the show, but he's invisible and plays with zero intensity. Pass.
kingsfansince1967
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My new avatar is how I feel this morning. Winners of the Jennings Trophy giving up 13 goals in 2 games. Would have never seen that in my worst nightmares.
Lewis has 2 goals in two games. Carter, Kopitar, Brown, Richards, Gaborik, Williams... 0. If Kopitar buried that turnover to make it 3-0 maybe we're coming back home 1-1. **** happens. It's kinda funny that we seemingly cured our penalty problem but get steamrolled even worse...
I know it sucks to lose, especially like this, but we need some perspective here. Whatever happens the rest of this playoffs, there will be SOME changes next year. Probably not as drastic as what some of you all are hoping for though, so you should be ready for that.
Nizar
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Me too. The famous "line change" goal. It was so bad, that i started to laugh hysterically.
the good thing is they can't play worse than they did yesterday.
Ollie Weeks
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Its been pretty demoralizing so far, but the silver lining is the Sharks could have scored 15 goals last night and only been credited for the one win. Its over and done with. If there was ever a time for a reset, its now.
Counterpoint: This was my feeling following Game 1 as well, where I thought we'd seen the worst.
Counterpoint: This was my feeling following Game 1 as well, where I thought we'd seen the worst.
TonySCV
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Agreed. This is unexplainable, and I have no answer for how lopsided it's been. The team is healthy. They've had no trouble keeping SJ bottled up all season long.
The entire team seemingly forgot their system, their abilities, their discipline. That's unexplainable. There are a few things like tinkering with a lineup that seemed to be working prior to series start and last change that can explain having a difficulty winning, but nothing to explain getting completely torched defensively.
The Kings just didn't go to being terrible at D overnight. It's like they've got the flu and are playing through it or there's a ton of significant injuries we're not privy to. Something aside from fundamentals is going on, but like you, I'm speechless. People are asking and I have no (rational) answer.
