Kings Lose 2-1

[WSS11]

I would say Quick was average in the SJ series .

SJ has the Kings dead too rights in Game two, Let up and paid for it.

Didn't Thorton take the penalty that got the Kings on the board in game seven ?

Then was a no show the rest of the game.

I do admit though Justin Williams buried the Sharks game seven....Big game player.

I know Quick posted a 951. SV, but I watch Quick every night....He was not God mode in that series.

I thought he made far more tougher saves VS the Hawks/Blues.

That was Burns. I guess we'll disagree on Quick. He was very impressive, i just shook my head at some of the saves he made.

 

[spintheblackcircle]

I would hope that by now people realize I'm not taking about stats. I'm talking about the will to win, and Thornton gets a giant "F" in that regard along with Marleau and the rest of the Sharks core for the last several seasons.

You're just totally wrong about Thornton, and I'll leave it at that.

 

[damacles1156]

Zero. Zero years where Thornton was a non-factor.

He has a better PPG in the playoffs than Mr Clutch Jonathan Toews since Toews has been in the league. And better than any King over that time frame as well.

Call the team chokers, fine. Sharks fans know they are under achievers. But any criticism of Thornton since he's been a Sharks about playoffs is 180 degrees wrong.

Man Toews is just not a good comparison for anyone....When the Chips are down. Toews buries teams, the Kid has Two Stanley Cup rings Before he turned 25.....Also two gold Medals.

Toews is a big game player in spades....

If I can only pick one Center for my team, I pick Toews, even over Kopitar.

 

[Buddy The Elf]

I just see a bunch of excuses from Sharks fans.

 

[Little Psycho]

I just see a bunch of excuses from Sharks fans.

It's interesting though. When we lost to the Blackhawks, there wasn't any excuses like Richards was out with a concussion or that Stoll just came back from a concussion early. The team had a lot of injuries, but they just lost that series. No excuses, no bad calls, no what ifs.

How different we see things from them. Either you win or lose.

 

[Gilligans Island]

I just see a bunch of excuses from Sharks fans.

What's the argument now?

In the playoffs, we beat you guys once, you guys beat us once. This season will be the rubber match.

You guys have won the Cup.

Generally, most Sharks fans recognize that our team collectively has failed but some of us choose not to pin it solely on Joe or Patty. It's a team wide failure. That said, as the leaders, they take their share - or moreso than the waterboy. My take is it is a bit on them (and other leaders - Pavelski, Vlasic), lack of bottom 6 scoring to an extent, and goaltending. I.e., the org.

 

[Tadite]

Sharks fans are just going to have to live with the fact that they're one of the best teams (maybe the best) over the past decade never to win the Cup (Canucks and to a lessor degree Flames are there as well).

Right or wrong that's going to fall on the heads of the the core/star players. Winning creates the perception of being a clutch player. Drew/Richards/Williams and now Quick have all had those moments. When games could be lost and championships won. Hell, Williams maybe the best 7th game player in the NHL. Part of that is talent and a lot of it is being in that position in the first place.

Thornton has scored a series winner in the playoffs (against the Kings...) but his goal scoring seems to normally disappear and neither Boyes or Marleau are what I would think of as key winning players. They're secondary guys to my mind and I wouldn't want either on my team.... Logan could be but that's new so hey put a run together this year and boom, perceptions change. Thing is that window is a bit close with both top guys pushing 35....

O yea... To hate on Thornton. Guy seems to get all physical when they're either losing or when he's fighting someone who is a decade younger and 50 pounds lighter. Remember to this day him mugging Drew let alone punching VV while he's being held by a ref yesterday. Guy seems to up his physicality when he knows he's going to win. Take that for what you will but I think he's a coward trying to compensate for people pubically wondering if he has the will to win. I always notice he gets more physical after public criticism, but in that cheesy Canucks dirty type of way.

 

[Herby]

It's interesting though. When we lost to the Blackhawks, there wasn't any excuses like Richards was out with a concussion or that Stoll just came back with a concussion.

There were plenty of excuses thrown out there by some here.

1. Mitchell being out
2. Previous two series (even though the Kings played 13 games vs. CHI's 12)
3. Richards injury

I don't think Thornton is terrible and his stats have been generally pretty respectable in the playoffs, but come on Sharks fans, you guys have made the playoffs 8 years since Thornton came to SJ and have not even come close to making it to the finals. The Sharks core actually reminds me a lot of the Gretzky era Kings , they have plenty of talent but there is just something wrong with those players when it comes to competing in the playoffs. I mean look back at the 2011 series, the Kings had Jarret Stoll as our #1 center and the Sharks still struggled to beat the Kings, needing 6 games, including 3 OT games to win the series.

 

[Little Psycho]

There were plenty of excuses thrown out there by some here.

1. Mitchell being out
2. Previous two series (even though the Kings played 13 games vs. CHI's 12)
3. Richards injury

.

Don't really recall it, but I was upset when they lost so I'll take your word for it.

 

[damacles1156]

There were plenty of excuses thrown out there by some here.

1. Mitchell being out
2. Previous two series (even though the Kings played 13 games vs. CHI's 12)
3. Richards injury

I don't think Thornton is terrible and his stats have been generally pretty respectable in the playoffs, but come on Sharks fans, you guys have made the playoffs 8 years since Thornton came to SJ and have not even come close to making it to the finals. The Sharks core actually reminds me a lot of the Gretzky era Kings , they have plenty of talent but there is just something wrong with those players when it comes to competing in the playoffs. I mean look back at the 2011 series, the Kings had Jarret Stoll as our #1 center and the Sharks still struggled to beat the Kings, needing 6 games, including 3 OT games to win the series.

I think Trevor Lewis was the Number one Center, didn't Stoll get suspended for two games during that playoff run ?

Lewis was a PPG player that run, wasn't the line Richardson/Lewis/Simmonds ?

OR was it Richardson/Lewis/Williams ?

Kings also had that Epic, four goal blown lead meltdown.

 

[Herby]

Richardson was centering Clifford and Simmonds. And that was the Kings best line.

Stoll was suspended for game 2 (which was the Kings best game of the series )
Williams was I believe coming off injury
Penner was awful.
The Pro's Pro was on the #1 line and #1 PP unit.

The Kings had no business winning a game, and if not for a couple of bounces could have easily won the series.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

...jeebus.

Alec Martinez attempted 13 shots at the net.

 

[damacles1156]

Richardson was centering Clifford and Simmonds. And that was the Kings best line.

Stoll was suspended for game 2 (which was the Kings best game of the series )
Williams was I believe coming off injury
Penner was awful.

The Kings had no business winning a game, and if not for a couple of bounces could have easily won the series.

Pretty sure Penner was not on the team, he wasn't part of the Kings when Kopitar broke his ankle.

Williams was playing with one arm basically, he had a separated shoulder.

Williams still almost buried the Sharks game Six.

Quick was also god awful in that Series.....

The Kings were bad all around, and still pushed that series too Six games with 3 OT losses, and a four goal blown lead.

 

[TonySCV]

You're just totally wrong about Thornton, and I'll leave it at that.

The guy hasn't won - ever. Until he does, I'm totally right. That's how subjective analysis of intangibles works.

There's a reason Boston dumped him and it sure as hell wasn't because he was a PPG player. When the core isn't working, stats be damned, you find a new core.

 

[Herby]

Penner was on the team, but was a complete non-factor.

That Kings team was horrible up front. Penner, Smyth, Lewis and Stoll all playing key roles.

 

[TonySCV]

...jeebus.

Alec Martinez attempted 13 shots at the net.

He was in beast mode all night long. For a team that was gassed, you wouldn't have known it from him.

I give Sutter credit - the stats and record for the Kings over the last few seasons were far better with Martinez in the lineup vs. out, yet Sutter sat him, seemingly inexplicably at times, because he was convinced A-Mart had another gear and wasn't working hard enough to find it. Clearly he pushed the right buttons because Alex's game is at a whole new level of late. Impressive.

 

[johnjm22]

Quick was also god awful in that Series.....

A common misconception.

For as good of a defensive coach as Terry Murray was supposed to be, the Kings team D was terrible in the post-season under him.

The Sharks were scoring against Quick with one-timers that no goaltender in the NHL could've regularly stopped.

While the Kings were running around in their own zone, the Sharks were making cross ice passes to open shooters with ease.

 

[KingKopitar11*]

...jeebus.

Alec Martinez attempted 13 shots at the net.

Martinez was fueled by tapatio last game. On fire.

 

[damacles1156]

A common misconception.

For as good of a defensive coach as Terry Murray was supposed to be, the Kings team D was terrible in the post-season under him.

The Sharks were scoring against Quick with one-timers that no goaltender in the NHL could've regularly stopped.

While the Kings were running around in their own zone, the Sharks were making cross ice passes to open shooters with ease.

Quick was bad in that series man, really bad.

Two games of six goals against and also a four goal blown lead....Quick has too make a stop in that game.

You can't pin that all on Team D....You goalie has too make a stop at some point.

I am the biggest Quick homer on this board, even I can admit Quick was below average in that series.

 

[Gilligans Island]

On Quick, you guys know him better than I do but his over aggressiveness can be a weakness as he can get caught out of position on a cross ice pass. Lucky for you guys, is your D is incredibly tight and doesn't give up many of those passes.

The book on Quick seems to be cross ice one timers high over glove or blocker.

 

[Reclamation Project]

It's interesting though. When we lost to the Blackhawks, there wasn't any excuses like Richards was out with a concussion or that Stoll just came back from a concussion early. The team had a lot of injuries, but they just lost that series. No excuses, no bad calls, no what ifs.

How different we see things from them. Either you win or lose.

I do find it amusing how atrocious the double standards are on this site. Opposing fans call out the Kings for a number things yet they say the same crap.

- Dustin Brown and Jordan Nolan are so dirty! -> I really want X player to send a message and take a run at someone.

- Drew Doughty is such a hot head! -> Our player X is just passionate.

- Dustin Brown is such a diving POS! -> (Insert any rival fan base that has floppers because we all know Anaheim, Vancouver, San Jose, St. Louis, and Phoenix have their fair share).

- What do you expect from the Kings, they're the dirtiest team in the league! -> Same people that support Dr. Doan, Corey Perry, Raffi Torres, Tom Sestito, etc.

- "Face the facts LA, you didn't get it done against Chicago!" -> We have the flu!

Take all those ridiculous posts with a grain of salt.

And I'm not trying to single out the Sharks fans on this site because I enjoy their posts and consider them to be one of the best fan bases I've encountered on here and in person. The Beat LA chants are still stupid as hell though.

 

[damacles1156]

I do find it amusing how atrocious the double standards are on this site. Opposing fans call out the Kings for a number things yet they say the same crap.

- Dustin Brown and Jordan Nolan are so dirty! -> I really want X player to send a message and take a run at someone.

- Drew Doughty is such a hot head! -> Our player X is just passionate.

- Dustin Brown is such a diving POS! -> (Insert any rival fan base that has floppers because we all know Anaheim, Vancouver, San Jose, St. Louis, and Phoenix have their fair share).

- What do you expect from the Kings, they're the dirtiest team in the league! -> Same people that support Dr. Doan, Corey Perry, Raffi Torres, Tom Sestito, etc.

- "Face the facts LA, you didn't get it done against Chicago!" -> We have the flu!

Take all those ridiculous posts with a grain of salt.

And I'm not trying to single out the Sharks fans on this site because I enjoy their posts and consider them to be one of the best fan bases I've encountered on here and in person. The Beat LA chants are still stupid as hell though.

The Canucks one's were great, with Burrows/Raymond/Kesler/Lapierre(HUGE DIVER) on that team.

The Kesler tumble weed gif pretty much shut them up though.

Once that happened Nucks fan's went silent.

Don't even listen too Ducks fan's or PHX fan's.....Perry/Doan nuff said.

At least we Kings fan's admit Brown is a Diver....

 

[Reclamation Project]

The Canucks one's were great, with Burrows/Raymond/Kesler/Lapierre(HUGE DIVER) on that team.

The Kesler tumble weed gif pretty much shut them up though.

Once that happened Nucks fan's went silent.

It's so embarrassing how some people can say something so blatantly contradictory to something they've said before. Especially when it's against the Kings. And let's face it, the amount of hate the Kings get on this site is laughable. I mean, we currently have a "Brutal headshot in San Jose" thread on the main board regarding AMart

 

[Reclamation Project]

And yes, we all overwhelmingly agree Brown is a diver and most of us can't stand it. The dirty hits annoy me, but I accept it because I like having players that play with an edge.

 

[damacles1156]

It's so embarrassing how some people can say something so blatantly contradictory to something they've said before. Especially when it's against the Kings. And let's face it, the amount of hate the Kings get on this site is laughable. I mean, we currently have a "Brutal headshot in San Jose" thread on the main board regarding AMart

Comical, it was a nothing play, were A-Mart is simply trying too play the puck......

Kings are more hated than the Boston Bruins....And if you ask me....The Bruins are a freaking dirty team.

Like try to injure players (dirty), Marchand anyone ? Shawn Thornton ?

Both of those Clowns have done way worse hits, than anything Brown has done.

Marchand actually swung his stick at someone's head with intent to injure......

Has Brown ever done anything like that ?

Thornton attacking a defenseless player on the ice.....What King has ever done that from this current core ?