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Gilligans Island said:
On Quick, you guys know him better than I do but his over aggressiveness can be a weakness as he can get caught out of position on a cross ice pass. Lucky for you guys, is your D is incredibly tight and doesn't give up many of those passes.

The book on Quick seems to be cross ice one timers high over glove or blocker.
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It can be--but his aggressiveness also often gets him back into position to make the save. I agree his style may not work on other teams, though. He just fits perfectly.

If that's the book on Quick, consider that to be the book on any goalie that doesn't stay parked deep inside his own crease. You also need a good amount of skill to place a shot like that. I will say Chicago exploits that to a T--getting high shots in from the high slot. Right in front of the net won't do. I'm rarely worried about stuff right across the crease or in the low slot. high slot cross-passes or even passes from behind the net are scarier.

Considering Quick has been in the league for a few years and the league has adjusted to him, I'd say he's working out juuuuust fine. He also ratchets it up in the playoffs I would argue because he sees more work against good teams like the Sharks and Blues rather than getting bored as hell seeing 15 shots (he seems to lose focus and/or all those shots are just random prayer passes across the crease and a bounce in off our player).
 
TonySCV said:
The guy hasn't won - ever. Until he does, I'm totally right. That's how subjective analysis of intangibles works.

There's a reason Boston dumped him and it sure as hell wasn't because he was a PPG player. When the core isn't working, stats be damned, you find a new core.
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I'm sure 19 will be thinking about your subjective analysis of his intangibles when he's delivering his HHOF speech.

Boston traded him because they thought they would get better value from the 3 players they gave up and they were mistaken. Look at the player Brad Stuart became with Detroit, or WOULD have become with the team that traded him to Detroit. You're familiar with that team.
 
Brad Doty said:
It can be--but his aggressiveness also often gets him back into position to make the save. I agree his style may not work on other teams, though. He just fits perfectly.

If that's the book on Quick, consider that to be the book on any goalie that doesn't stay parked deep inside his own crease. You also need a good amount of skill to place a shot like that. I will say Chicago exploits that to a T--getting high shots in from the high slot. Right in front of the net won't do. I'm rarely worried about stuff right across the crease or in the low slot. high slot cross-passes or even passes from behind the net are scarier.

Considering Quick has been in the league for a few years and the league has adjusted to him, I'd say he's working out juuuuust fine. He also ratchets it up in the playoffs I would argue because he sees more work against good teams like the Sharks and Blues rather than getting bored as hell seeing 15 shots (he seems to lose focus and/or all those shots are just random prayer passes across the crease and a bounce in off our player).
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Yes, the Hawks are amazing at that. They've beaten us a number of times with the cross ice pass to the high slot fwd for a one-timer.
 
eastbayjoker said:
I'm sure 19 will be thinking about your subjective analysis of his intangibles when he's delivering his HHOF speech.

Boston traded him because they thought they would get better value from the 3 players they gave up and they were mistaken. Look at the player Brad Stuart became with Detroit, or WOULD have become with the team that traded him to Detroit. You're familiar with that team.
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No one is saying Jumbo Joe is talentless, he will go too the HHOF and deserve it.
 
eastbayjoker said:
I'm sure 19 will be thinking about your subjective analysis of his intangibles when he's delivering his HHOF speech.

Boston traded him because they thought they would get better value from the 3 players they gave up and they were mistaken. Look at the player Brad Stuart became with Detroit, or WOULD have become with the team that traded him to Detroit. You're familiar with that team.
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He'll be a well-deserving HHOF candidate and has had a superb career. That doesn't at all address Tony's point, though, and I'm sure Jumbo would trade individual accolades for a cup if he could. And hey, I think the Sharks have a better shot this year than they have in years past, but even as a guy who thinks Thornton's "choker" label has been overblown (I mean, you have to be doing something right to get that many chances in the first place--then look at a guy like Toews who has been hyped the opposite direction despite being held scoreless or near it in several series), I agree with Tony. Thornton just flat-out appears flustered at times and they just happen to be high-profile occasions. If we ever saw the balls he had last night running everything in sight in an elimination game after the first round, hey, he'd shed that label in a moment (of course, you know his detractors will just say 'about time lolz').

This is probably about the time where someone posts the Thornton-turtle-spin video and then I post a picture of some King with a Cup I suppose :P I want him to enjoy success at some point to be honest, just not at our expense.
 
I would be fine with SJ winning a Cup, it's good for California hockey, and we Kings fan's know what's it like too have a good team that can't win it all.

90's Kings with Great one.

Of course I prefer the Kings win another :)
 
damacles1156 said:
Comical, it was a nothing play, were A-Mart is simply trying too play the puck......

Kings are more hated than the Boston Bruins....And if you ask me....The Bruins are a freaking dirty team.

Like try to injure players (dirty), Marchand anyone ? Shawn Thornton ?

Both of those Clowns have done way worse hits, than anything Brown has done.

Marchand actually swung his stick at someone's head with intent to injure......

Has Brown ever done anything like that ?

Thornton attacking a defenseless player on the ice.....What King has ever done that from this current core ?
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Somehow the Bruins get a pass because they're the "Big Bad Bruins!"

The Brown dirty player argument is such a dead end. When you lead the league in hits for numerous years, chances are a couple of those are going to be borderline. It's simply a fact. The way everything he does gets sensationalized is hilarious. I love it. I love this team's identity. I'd rather have a team that's gritty like the Kings than a team like Edmonton. When a star player of their's goes down they all stand around with their thumb up their ***** while looking at each other. "Uh, what do we do now?" The same reason I loved the play by Nolan. Sure it was stupid and I'd rather see a vicious (clean) open ice hit, but when some plug tries to push one of the best defenseman in the league on top of the best goalie in the league, and then proceeds to grab your shaft, you gotta send a message.
 
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To be fair, the Bruins don't get a pass at all. Any high-profile eastern teams get scrutinized like no other. I think we often get some hyper-focus because people aren't watching much of the game, so when they get snippets, it can look ugly.

i.e. Dustin Brown throws top-10 number of hits every year since the stat was recorded, 99% of which are clean, .5% of which are questionable, .5% of which are (still arguably) dirty. Guess which one people use to draw conclusions from?

But I agree. I like the rep of the big 'heavy' Kings. teams know they're going to pay for ice. That's why I know we're taking a lot out of anyone we play against in the playoffs. You saw it last night, San Jose really had to empty the tank and we just kept chugging through.
 
Love that line, Ron.

Our playoff avatar theme may be more fitting in the current state of affairs but the team theme and storyline seems to fit a 'return of the king' sort of deal.
 
damacles1156 said:
Quick was bad in that series man, really bad.

Two games of six goals against and also a four goal blown lead....Quick has too make a stop in that game.

You can't pin that all on Team D....You goalie has too make a stop at some point.

I am the biggest Quick homer on this board, even I can admit Quick was below average in that series.
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The Kings D was giving up juicy cross ice one-timers in prime scoring areas right and left.

There's not a goalie in the world that wouldn't have been giving up goals in bunches under those circumstances.

You can say he wasn't playing his best (which he wasn't), but I don't see how you can say he was "really bad" considering the situation.
 
Brad Doty said:
He'll be a well-deserving HHOF candidate and has had a superb career. That doesn't at all address Tony's point, though
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Exactly. I'm waiting for someone to throw another fantasy stat at me as if stats explain away wilting under pressure.

The guy disappears when it matters most. I watch Sharks playoff games every year (who doesn't enjoy a slow-motion train wreck?). It happens repeatedly. There's no stat for crumbling under pressure.

Maybe Thornton will luck into landing on a Cup team in his twilight years on his way to the HOF. It isn't happening with him leading the way. Even if they manage to get through the Kings this year (home ice is a huge advantage given both team's recent success at home), they're going to get steamrolled by St. Louis.

The Blues are the team to beat this year in the West.
 
TonySCV said:
Exactly. I'm waiting for someone to throw another fantasy stat at me as if stats explain away wilting under pressure.

The guy disappears when it matters most. I watch Sharks playoff games every year (who doesn't enjoy a slow-motion train wreck?). It happens repeatedly. There's no stat for crumbling under pressure.

Maybe Thornton will luck into landing on a Cup team in his twilight years on his way to the HOF. It isn't happening with him leading the way. Even if they manage to get through the Kings this year (home ice is a huge advantage given both team's recent success at home), they're going to get steamrolled by St. Louis.

The Blues are the team to beat this year in the West.
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Only thing I can say is that Joe has done well in international competition. Would like to see him win a cup someday. Just as long as it is not at the expense of the kings
 
Daily Brown thread on the main boards. These people are obsessed and are reaching at some points. Hope Cap lifts another cup soon!
 
I hijacked it into a Dustin Brown tribute thread until it was closed down. Best way to get back at them is to post even more videos of Dustin Brown hits.
 
It's gotten to the point that I simply see a Kings related thread and I get aroused. I get barely one page in and I have to go take a cold shower.
 
Would it not be fitting that a Kings win tomorrow officially ends the Canucks playoffs chances? Please win Kings......please...for the love of god.....just....WIIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!
 
damacles1156 said:
I would be fine with SJ winning a Cup, it's good for California hockey, and we Kings fan's know what's it like too have a good team that can't win it all.

90's Kings with Great one.

Of course I prefer the Kings win another :)
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I'm not fine with any Bay Area team winning anything.
 
Scottkmlps said:
Would it not be fitting that a Kings win tomorrow officially ends the Canucks playoffs chances? Please win Kings......please...for the love of god.....just....WIIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!
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Wait they're still not eliminated?
 
Tadite said:
O yea... To hate on Thornton. Guy seems to get all physical when they're either losing or when he's fighting someone who is a decade younger and 50 pounds lighter. Remember to this day him mugging Drew let alone punching VV while he's being held by a ref yesterday. Guy seems to up his physicality when he knows he's going to win. Take that for what you will but I think he's a coward trying to compensate for people pubically wondering if he has the will to win. I always notice he gets more physical after public criticism, but in that cheesy Canucks dirty type of way.
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Yet he fought guys like Lindros as a teenager..

Eh it is what it is I guess. Our love for him won't change and your guys' hate wont change.
 
Scottkmlps said:
Would it not be fitting that a Kings win tomorrow officially ends the Canucks playoffs chances? Please win Kings......please...for the love of god.....just....WIIIIIIIIIINNNN!!!
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I think the Kings started Vancouver's collapse this season, might as well end it.

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