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I would just like to say that Joe Thornton is arguably the worst great player to ever play in this league. Guy has a sack of rocks in his head, has feigned this forced arrogance his entire career, and has absolutely nothing to show for it.

Every time he does some trolly BS and tries to throw his weight around, conveniently targeting kids in their 20s, I'm reminded of a 30-something divorced dad who still listens to hip hop and gets in fights at bars. Thornton is the hockey version of "peaked in high school" and it brings joy to my heart that when he retires and everyone forgets who he ever was, he'll be forever snubbed from the HoF because he just didn't have the testicles the ever muster a real championship.
 
Richie10 said:
I would just like to say that Joe Thornton is arguably the worst great player to ever play in this league. Guy has a sack of rocks in his head, has feigned this forced arrogance his entire career, and has absolutely nothing to show for it.

Every time he does some trolly BS and tries to throw his weight around, conveniently targeting kids in their 20s, I'm reminded of a 30-something divorced dad who still listens to hip hop and gets in fights at bars. Thornton is the hockey version of "peaked in high school" and it brings joy to my heart that when he retires and everyone forgets who he ever was, he'll be forever snubbed from the HoF because he just didn't have the testicles the ever muster a real championship.
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Guy with so much talent, he is a complete no show when games matter.

It's actually quite amazing.
 
lol Anson Carter tried to say Thornton was showing brass picking a fight with Voynov "he wasn't going to let that happen." Let what happen, Anson? What? He skated over to Voynov and cross-checked him. lol
 
Helistin said:
misinformed post with no basis on actual facts.
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I've never seen him carry his team to a specific goal. But given the fact the sharks have never really had a strong close core leadership to begin with.
 
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I dont want Doughty playing in Vancouver. Hellllll noooo.

Hopefully we can play a nice, friendly game against Vancouver without any majors..
 
Minor Boarding said:
Game 7, last year. You're welcome.
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Yeah, one can find an example with every player in an important game where he didn't elevate his game.
Any news on Doughty other than 'he's traveling with the team'?
 
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Probably just something minor and with the Kings in the playoffs already, Darryl probably told him to just sit out the rest of the game to not do further damage.
 
Helistin said:
Yeah, one can find an example with every player in an important game where he didn't elevate his game.
Any news on Doughty other than 'he's traveling with the team'?
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Not sure where you are coming from or what team you support, but the posters here are very knowledgeable about hockey.

Bottom line, Doughty has a Cup to his credit (at the tender age of 23), whereas Thornton has never led his team to the promised land. The Sharks have not even made the Stanley Cup Final, finding a way to lose three times in the conference finals. That is NOT the definition of a clutch player finding a way to lead his team to the promised land.

The most recent example of his failure to lead came in Game 7 in last year's series against the Kings. He was a virtual no-show, except for collecting a high-sticking penalty in the first period. He was repeatedly derided after the game for his lack of effort and energy throughout the entire game.
 
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Ron said:
Not sure where you are coming from or what team you support, but the posters here are very knowledgeable about hockey.

Bottom line, Doughty has a Cup to his credit (at the tender age of 23), whereas Thornton has never led his team to the promised land. The Sharks have not even made the Stanley Cup Final, finding a way to lose three times in the conference finals. That is NOT the definition of a clutch player finding a way to lead his team to the promised land.

The most recent example of his failure to lead came in Game 7 in last year's series against the Kings. He was a virtual no-show, except for collecting a high-sticking penalty in the first period. He was repeatedly derided after the game for his lack of effort and energy throughout the entire game.
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Hmm, weird how you managed to understand my post as a knock against Doughty. I was just curious about the status of his injury. That question wasn't connected to the first sentence. Sorry for the confusion.
 
Ron said:
Not sure where you are coming from or what team you support, but the posters here are very knowledgeable about hockey.

Bottom line, Doughty has a Cup to his credit (at the tender age of 23), whereas Thornton has never led his team to the promised land. The Sharks have not even made the Stanley Cup Final, finding a way to lose three times in the conference finals. That is NOT the definition of a clutch player finding a way to lead his team to the promised land.

The most recent example of his failure to lead came in Game 7 in last year's series against the Kings. He was a virtual no-show, except for collecting a high-sticking penalty in the first period. He was repeatedly derided after the game for his lack of effort and energy throughout the entire game.
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Thornton has actually been the main player showing up the last few years in the playoffs, just like Marleau did before Joe arrived. The fact of the matter is the Sharks have run into a hot goalie or the better team. One of the biggest reasons the sharks haven't been able to get over the playoff hump imo is aside from last year, their goaltending has broken down. I'll probably get roasted for saying this but Nabokov is the main reason the sharks don't have a cup right now. http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/n/nabokev01.html
 
Can I just say I love that Voynov scrapped with Thornton? Thornton is a legit fighter, so that was ballsy. Made the point that regardless of all the shots at our d-men he wasn't going to back down.

I whined about it a bit in the GDT but just like when the Canucks decided to go all Slap Shot on us we just absorbed the blows and kept rolling. Still would like to see Nolan/Clifford or anyone else on the 3rd/4th line snap when teams start taking liberties but that even keel pays off in the playoffs (and would pay off even more if our PP would have gotten going last night in particular).
 
WSS11 said:
I'll probably get roasted for saying this but Nabokov is the main reason the sharks don't have a cup right now. http://www.hockey-reference.com/players/n/nabokev01.html
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I disagree. That makes Nabokov a scapegoat for the real issue which was top players not playing like top players for so many years.

I just can't see any team with Thornton at the helm winning the Cup. The sooner Couture takes the captaincy and Thornton slips off to irrelevancy on that team, the better for that team.

There were so many playoff years where Thornton (and Marleau) were playoff non-factors. They should have figured out what it takes to win a long time ago. Sharks are a team built to make the playoffs - not built to win.
 
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TonySCV said:
I disagree. That makes Nabokov a scapegoat for the real issue which was top players not playing like top players for so many years.

I just can't see any team with Thornton at the helm winning the Cup. The sooner Couture takes the captaincy and Thornton slips off to irrelevancy on that team, the better for that team.

There were so many playoff years where Thornton (and Marleau) were playoff non-factors. They should have figured out what it takes to win a long time ago. Sharks are a team built to make the playoffs - not built to win.
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Thornton has stepped up considerably over the years come crunch time. I feel people on HFboards will always refer to Joe as a choker or the reason for SJ's past playoff woes and it's BS. I still flashback to the '04 WCF against the Flames and remember how Nabokov would let in soft goal after soft goal and kill any momentum the sharks had. In fact, he had quite a few meltdowns in the playoffs. Niemi's performance this past year was the best goaltending performance the sharks have ever had in the playoffs..unfortunately, Quick was in God mode. I'm not letting the rest of the players off the hook, they need to kick it up a notch as well. However, if the sharks are going to win the cup, they are going to need Niemi to bring his A game every game.
 
WSS11 said:
Thornton has stepped up considerably over the years come crunch time. I feel people on HFboards will always refer to Joe as a choker or the reason for SJ's past playoff woes and it's BS. I still flashback to the '04 WCF against the Flames and remember how Nabokov would let in soft goal after soft goal and kill any momentum the sharks had. In fact, he had quite a few meltdowns in the playoffs. Niemi's performance this past year was the best goaltending performance the sharks have ever had in the playoffs..unfortunately, Quick was in God mode. I'm not letting the rest of the players off the hook, they need to kick it up a notch as well. However, if the sharks are going to win the cup, they are going to need Niemi to bring his A game every game.
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It's a team game, and when the team's core, collectively, has made the playoffs all these years in a row and yet has never once advanced past the conference final, you have a core that needs replacing. That's not just Thornton, or just Nabokov... it's a core leader problem.

Quick wasn't in God mode in the Kings/Sharks series as much as the defense collectively was on the same page, and last year's Kings team wasn't healthy... I could think up any number of excuses why the Kings should have lost the series vs. the Sharks, but they didn't. The fact is San Jose had the foot on the Kings throat in Game 2, let up, and blew it - just another example of a collective core that can't figure out what it takes to win.
 
TonySCV said:
There were so many playoff years where Thornton (and Marleau) were playoff non-factors. They should have figured out what it takes to win a long time ago. Sharks are a team built to make the playoffs - not built to win.
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Zero. Zero years where Thornton was a non-factor.

He has a better PPG in the playoffs than Mr Clutch Jonathan Toews since Toews has been in the league. And better than any King over that time frame as well.

Call the team chokers, fine. Sharks fans know they are under achievers. But any criticism of Thornton since he's been a Sharks about playoffs is 180 degrees wrong.
 
SpinTheBlackCircle said:
Zero. Zero years where Thornton was a non-factor.

He has a better PPG in the playoffs than Mr Clutch Jonathan Toews since Toews has been in the league. And better than any King over that time frame as well.
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I would hope that by now people realize I'm not taking about stats. I'm talking about the will to win, and Thornton gets a giant "F" in that regard along with Marleau and the rest of the Sharks core for the last several seasons.
 
TonySCV said:
It's a team game, and when the team's core, collectively, has made the playoffs all these years in a row and yet has never once advanced past the conference final, you have a core that needs replacing. That's not just Thornton, or just Nabokov... it's a core leader problem.

Quick wasn't in God mode in the Kings/Sharks series as much as the defense collectively was on the same page, and last year's Kings team wasn't healthy... I could think up any number of excuses why the Kings should have lost the series vs. the Sharks, but they didn't. The fact is San Jose had the foot on the Kings throat in Game 2, let up, and blew it - just another example of a collective core that can't figure out what it takes to win.
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First off, the kings out shot the sharks once in that seven game series, so your team was no better defensively than ours. Secondly, Quick posted a .951 save % for the SERIES, including 2 shutouts... That is unreal. Did your team play good defensively? Sure, both teams did, but Quick was the main reason LA won that series. He was the true difference maker. As far as game 2 goes, lets not pretend like the Kings weren't gifted a 5 on 3 at the end there. That delay of game on Vlasic was horrible and the ref simply guessed wrong. Credit to LA for capitalizing, but the sharks got the short end of the stick on the call and it probably cost them the series. We'll probably agree to disagree on that too.
 
WSS11 said:
Thornton has stepped up considerably over the years come crunch time. I feel people on HFboards will always refer to Joe as a choker or the reason for SJ's past playoff woes and it's BS. I still flashback to the '04 WCF against the Flames and remember how Nabokov would let in soft goal after soft goal and kill any momentum the sharks had. In fact, he had quite a few meltdowns in the playoffs. Niemi's performance this past year was the best goaltending performance the sharks have ever had in the playoffs..unfortunately, Quick was in God mode. I'm not letting the rest of the players off the hook, they need to kick it up a notch as well. However, if the sharks are going to win the cup, they are going to need Niemi to bring his A game every game.
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I would say Quick was average in the SJ series .

SJ has the Kings dead too rights in Game two, Let up and paid for it.

Didn't Thorton take the penalty that got the Kings on the board in game seven ?

Then was a no show the rest of the game.

I do admit though Justin Williams buried the Sharks game seven....Big game player.

I know Quick posted a 951. SV, but I watch Quick every night....He was not God mode in that series.

I thought he made far more tougher saves VS the Hawks/Blues.
 
Reclamation Project said:
Saw a beat LA chant online. All were chanting. Notice the guy's hat?

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Haha what an idiot
 
damacles1156 said:
I would say Quick was average in the SJ series .

SJ has the Kings dead too rights in Game two, Let up and paid for it.

Didn't Thorton take the penalty that got the Kings on the board in game seven ?

Then was a no show the rest of the game.

I do admit though Justin Williams buried the Sharks game seven....Big game player.

I know Quick posted a 951. SV, but I watch Quick every night....He was not God mode in that series.

I thought he made far more tougher saves VS the Hawks/Blues.
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edit: nvm thought you meant game 2
 
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