Post-Game Talk: Kings crown the Jets 4-1

[Ducky10]

Got it and thx

Glad I missed the fun. Hellebuyck played better in the first half of the season but he is still .919 season to date and the last guy on this team I am worried about.

Apparently to some, good goalies with a .919 Sv% consistently put up that number every game and never deviate. It’s a straight road.

 

[WolfHouse]

The team as a whole takes a lot of bad penalties.

Scheif leads the team in the net positive of penalties taken vs drawn with 14. Ehlers is +10 and Apples is +7 in that regard. Unfortunately Wheeler is -10. Worst on the team.

Its the type of penalty though... Wheeler's are usually offensive zone hooking etc - PLD's are because he's in front the net or chirping the other team...

I think Scheif has to make contact to take a penalty...

IMO Scheifele has not been the same player since he broke up with his girlfriend / was named as one of the players that had score cards in every city.

Yeah we thought he'd be Kopitar and instead became Joe Pavelski...

 

[Zippity]

IMO Scheifele has not been the same player since he broke up with his girlfriend / was named as one of the players that had score cards in every city.

He is engaged now, maybe that’s the problem

 

[Duke749]

Its the type of penalty though... Wheeler's are usually offensive zone hooking etc - PLD's are because he's in front the net or chirping the other team...

I think Scheif has to make contact to take a penalty...


Yeah we thought he'd be Kopitar and instead became Joe Pavelski...

Yeh Dubois is usually engaged physically so they both go it seems. I don’t have any evidence of that but it feels like that’s the case whereas Wheeler seems to take “lazy” penalties.

I’d say Pavelski is a bad comparison as he’s been a pretty good two way player his whole career. Scheif is really one dimensional.

 

[WolfHouse]

He is engaged now, maybe that’s the problem

Tiger Woods syndrome?

 

[Bob E]

Imagine if the Jets had a $8.25M winger actually earning that salary playing on his wing? That would be something.

 

[DharmaBum]

I have a couple of questions for someone with more hockey knowledge than me. (In other words, almost everybody.)

1 - Who really is our top goal scorer since the All-Star Game or whenever you want to call the start of the Jets' slump out of second place?

2 - When is Perfetti due back and who do you think he replaces (or bumps down) in the lineup?

Since the All-Star break the Jets have played 22 games.
Scheifele 6 Goals
Ehlers 5 Goals
JOMO 5 Goals
Connor 4 Goals
Lowry 4 Goals
Nino 4 Goals (14 games played with the Jets)
Wheeler 3 Goals
PLD 3 Goals (14 games played)

Pionk, Schmidt, Barron, and Apples with 2 goals each.
Namestnikov also with 2 goals but in 12 games played.

Top point producers
Connor 16 PTS
JOMO 16 PTS
Wheeler 13 PTS
Ehlers 13 PTS
Scheifele 13 PTS

In the 22 games the Jets have scored 54 goals total which works out to 2.45 goals per game.

 

[White Out 902]

I've never understood your contempt for Hellebuyck. It comes across as personal.

I've said it before but I'm sure it gets lost in threads.

I think he is the reason we lost to Vegas and never won the Cup that season. We had everything going for us and he blew it. In my opinion.

 

[puck stoppa]

I've said it before but I'm sure it gets lost in threads.

I think he is the reason we lost to Vegas and never won the Cup that season. We had everything going for us and he blew it. In my opinion.

Oh right, that was the year, where the summer before everybody wanted to cut him and send him to Europe. I remember now. I had to defend that he’s an nhl starter lol
The reason we lost was cause Fleury was out of his mind, plain and simple. And Helly was just shy of his prime. A few year older Helly on that team and we win the cup.
But you ripping on the guy makes me chuckle.

 

[WolfHouse]

Oh right, that was the year, where the summer before everybody wanted to cut him and send him to Europe. I remember now. I had to defend that he’s an nhl starter lol
The reason we lost was cause Fleury was out of his mind, plain and simple. And Helly was just shy of his prime. A few year older Helly on that team and we win the cup.
But you ripping on the guy makes me chuckle.

WhiteOut is Steve Mason.

 

[Jack7222]

IMO Scheifele has not been the same player since he broke up with his girlfriend / was named as one of the players that had score cards in every city.

What does "score cards in every city" mean?

 

[puck stoppa]

Apparently to some, good goalies with a .919 Sv% consistently put up that number every game and never deviate. It’s a straight road.

I thought Helly needed the first and third goal back tonight for sure.

 

[Inanna]

Since the All-Star break the Jets have played 22 games.
Scheifele 6 Goals
Ehlers 5 Goals
JOMO 5 Goals
Connor 4 Goals
Lowry 4 Goals
Nino 4 Goals (14 games played with the Jets)
Wheeler 3 Goals
PLD 3 Goals (14 games played)

Pionk, Schmidt, Barron, and Apples with 2 goals each.
Namestnikov also with 2 goals but in 12 games played.

Top point producers
Connor 16 PTS
JOMO 16 PTS
Wheeler 13 PTS
Ehlers 13 PTS
Scheifele 13 PTS

In the 22 games the Jets have scored 54 goals total which works out to 2.45 goals per game.

Thank you! I much appreciate your research.

So Scheif is really still our leading scorer after all, not that there's much to choose from between a lot of low totals.

 

[wpgallday1960]

He is engaged now, maybe that’s the problem

I wish him all the happiness in the world with married life. I hope it settles himdown and gets his head straight.

 

[wpgallday1960]

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What does "score cards in every city" mean?

a girl (or more) in every city. I think.

 

[None]

Thank you! I much appreciate your research.

So Scheif is really still our leading scorer after all, not that there's much to choose from between a lot of low totals.

At 5 on 5 with 100 minutes played minimum Scheifele is 3rd in G/60 and 4th in P/60 since Feb 11 (first game back from the all-star break). He's behind Neiderreiter and Ehlers in goals/60 and Neiderreiter, Ehlers, and Morrissey in points/60.

And he's dead last among skaters in 5 on 5 xGF% with 100 minutes played since Feb 11.

 

[raideralex99]

The number one problem right now is the PP ... one goal in 26 PPs is a ****en joke.
That's 3.8% ... the league average is 21% ... the worst team has 15.6%

 

[tbcwpg]

I've said it before but I'm sure it gets lost in threads.

I think he is the reason we lost to Vegas and never won the Cup that season. We had everything going for us and he blew it. In my opinion.

If that is the reason (which I don't believe is the only one given your posts about him before that season), then you're holding onto a grudge that you should really just let go. If Fleury is the Fleury from the Cup Final that season then the Jets make the Finals, in my opinion.

I don't understand the arrogance claim you assign to him. You're bothered that a high end goalie is confident about his abilities? That he doesn't come out to the media with his hat in hand to apologize for bad goals or a bad game here and there? Because he did the staring at the camera thing?

He's the best goalie this city has ever had. He's not immune from criticism but it's like walking past a crumbling old house and critiquing their choice of cabinet handles. Sure, maybe it wasn't the best but it's so far down the list of problems this team has right now that bringing it up consistently is just voicing your personal feelings about him and I'm not surprised you get such a negative reaction every time you bring him up.

 

[RabidOne]

What does being physical do? The bottom 6 is all physical and can't do anything. Physical is great with a good head and hands. Barron should have probably been promoted. I love Nino's game but most of the bottom 6 suck at everything but physical.

I scream for a recall of Harkins

Didnt see the game, because watching hockey when I can be outside always loses.
I just look at last game where PLD drove to the net and Connor scored on the rebound.
Thats the kind of physical the team needs.
Then watching Wheeler pass into a crowd with half an open cage? Who gives a shit how much he is getting paid, 4th line or the bench. If Scheiffle doesn't like being here then by all means, trade him, the Jets aren't winning with him as the first line centre. He doesn't have the drive to be a winner. He wants to “maximize” his career earning potential and play as long as he can. Winning is not #1 in his priority list.
Time to move on.

 

[Jets4Life]

I've said it before but I'm sure it gets lost in threads.

I think he is the reason we lost to Vegas and never won the Cup that season. We had everything going for us and he blew it. In my opinion.

MAF was pretty much lights-out in that series. I remember that series pretty well. I had stated at the time that the Jets should ahve been more aggressive (charge the crease, etc). Hellebuyck played good, but not at the level Fleury was at that series.

At any rate, we have nobody to replace Helle with, and I still have nightmares from the Pavelec years.

 

[MelikeJets]

Jets core are turning into coach killers

Jets core are rotten to the core.

 

[voyageur]

Would never pin any loss on any one player and am not scapegoating Scheifele, but for me he is not playing anywhere close to how he was playing in the first half of the season and for me really looks uninterested on the ice. Does losing compound the matter sure, but I hold him to a higher level because I have seen him play the right way and he is not doing that atm.

That's fair. I don't think he's leading the team the way he was earlier. 0 goals and -13 in the last 8 games is brutal, a quick transition from hero to zero. But it seems like everyone has been in the fanbase's doghouse on this team at one point or another, and a hero at another. More goats falling off a cliff during this stretch. Josh Morrissey is maybe the one player who has led consistently game in, game out.

I think this ship is imploding and no one seems to be able to steer it right. Luckily Calgary is struggling too to find any consistency, and Nashville is going to have to play above their talent level to get to the next stage of the Show.

If this team can't find another gear they will be an easy 1st round KO. If they miss the playoffs, it will be one of the most epic collapses, and there is no way this team doesn't get some major changes...

 

[Adam da bomb]

At 5 on 5 with 100 minutes played minimum Scheifele is 3rd in G/60 and 4th in P/60 since Feb 11 (first game back from the all-star break). He's behind Neiderreiter and Ehlers in goals/60 and Neiderreiter, Ehlers, and Morrissey in points/60.

And he's dead last among skaters in 5 on 5 xGF% with 100 minutes played since Feb 11.

If only Ehlers could stay healthy and do that all season. Every season he misses a good chunk of games.

 

[Ducky10]

I thought Helly needed the first and third goal back tonight for sure.

Not sure how that relates to my post, but I agree. Especially the 3rd. Entirely changed the game.

 

[GNP]

Then watching Wheeler pass into a crowd with half an open cage? Who gives a shit how much he is getting paid, 4th line or the bench. If Scheiffle doesn't like being here then by all means, trade him, the Jets aren't winning with him as the first line centre. He doesn't have the drive to be a winner. He wants to “maximize” his career earning potential and play as long as he can. Winning is not #1 in his priority list.
Time to move on.

Very well said in your post, and I totally agree with this. He just doesn't have the drive to put out the effort, night in and night out, like the great ones. Chevy should be taking note of this, as that's why he's paid big money, and move Scheifele the same way Bill Guerin ( GM) in Minnesota did. It takes balls to do that, but that's what a great GM does -- he acts when necessary. Time for Chevy and Chipman to make a decision and move Scheifele while you can get a big return.