Confirmed with Link: Kings aquire Bishop, 2017 5th rd pk for Budaj , Erik Cernak, 7th & cond pick

[Raccoon Jesus]

You're gonna love Bishop. He was a fan favorite here in Tampa and for a good reason. He is arguably the best goaltender we ever had in franchise history. One of his biggest upsides is his ability to play the puck. There are countless examples where tape-to-tape outlet passes from him landed on a forward's stick on the opposing blue line that resulted in amazing scoring chances / goals. Take good care of Big Ben!

A goalie that can play the puck?

What is this sorcery?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a damn creative move my DL. Time will tell if it works out, but I see this as more like coming to grips that this team doesn't score. Sure the answer may be to add a 30-goal scorer to the lineup, but we don't know if that deal was available...so this is a move that improves the strongest part of your game, defense. Ok, so we need to win games 2-1, 1-0 to make the playoffs....there ya go, no excuses now.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's a damn creative move my DL. Time will tell if it works out, but I see this as more like coming to grips that this team doesn't score. Sure the answer may be to add a 30-goal scorer to the lineup, but we don't know if that deal was available...so this is a move that improves the strongest part of your game, defense. Ok, so we need to win games 2-1, 1-0 to make the playoffs....there ya go, no excuses now.

The more that people settle with this, the more I see that word and I agree. Especially your last line.

 

[Reaper45]

The more that people settle with this, the more I see that word and I agree. Especially your last line.

By far. It's like now, put up or shut up. You've got a number one goalie playing everynight up to the playoffs. No excuses on the backend, get the team to the playoffs.

 

[MollerManor]

I feel like it's very difficult to have a strong opinion on this move until the deadline has passed.

Something tells me this is a piece of a bigger plan to come in the next 49 hours...

 

[funky]

I guess the other thing we have to look at is if we bring a 30 goal scorer in that equates to a 20 goal scorer in our offence. If DL is going back to building from the defense out I would not mind as that is the teams strength both in the NHL and at the prospect level. I only hope that with a strong defence the players up front take a few more chances


With Doans comments and Arizonas love of stat driven sabre's who are we giving them for Doan? Yes puke in mouth but he is a warrior and paired with Kopitar where speed doesn't matter he may do well

Gabby with a mil per year retained and McNabb plus a third for Doan

They get a cap hit to replace Dats with a serviceable player, a decent mid twenties Dman and a pick for taking Gabbys contract.

We redo the philly trade from last year and add some veteran depth. Clear cap space and add a guy that suits our team need.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I guess the other thing we have to look at is if we bring a 30 goal scorer in that equates to a 20 goal scorer in our offence. If DL is going back to building from the defense out I would not mind as that is the teams strength both in the NHL and at the prospect level.

This isn't about building...this is about winning the cup. We all know we have the core to do it, and DL is going to continue to make questionable moves for the future when he's looking to make moves that will help the team win now. Kopitar, Doughty , Quick...these guys aren't getting any younger, the time to win is now and if that costs us 'picks and prospects', so be it cause you usually can't have it both ways.

 

[KINGS17]

This isn't about building...this is about winning the cup. We all know we have the core to do it, and DL is going to continue to make questionable moves for the future when he's looking to make moves that will help the team win now. Kopitar, Doughty , Quick...these guys aren't getting any younger, the time to win is now and if that costs us 'picks and prospects', so be it cause you usually can't have it both ways.

We do?

The time to win was back in 2015, which is why I was okay with the Sekera trade. This window, with this roster, is closed when it comes to being a cup contender.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

We do?

The time to win was back in 2015, which is why I was okay with the Sekera trade. This window, with this roster, is closed when it comes to being a cup contender.

So then, you're good with trading away Doughty, Kopi, Quick..etc? Really?

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

We do?

And yes, the same core that won us 2 cups is the same one we have now...did I miss something?

vezina caliber goalie = check (x2)
norris caliber defenseman = check
top 10 center = check

 

[BigKing]

I get it, but you have to fully believe in this roster to go ahead and make this move. I question that as I've questioned it since July.

I have been harder on Budaj than most around here so I like having what appears to be much better options in net going forward; however, here we are giving away 2nd round picks again for a rental when the team is not currently in the playoffs and has won one playoff game in the past two seasons.

I don't know if this is more of an indictment of DL's giving up future assets for failed runs or his recent drafting record: probably both. He's now traded two 2nd round picks that were actually the team's 1st pick of the draft in Zykov and Cernak. Traded up to get Zykov as well.

I do think a forward is coming as well. Going to be pretty amazing if they miss again and we are looking at more lost future assets.

 

[SFKingshomer]

Having a goalie that can play the puck will help with the breakout and give the forwards speed exiting the zone.

 

[KingsFan7824]

I get it, but you have to fully believe in this roster to go ahead and make this move. I question that as I've questioned it since July.

I have been harder on Budaj than most around here so I like having what appears to be much better options in net going forward; however, here we are giving away 2nd round picks again for a rental when the team is not currently in the playoffs and has won one playoff game in the past two seasons.

I don't know if this is more of an indictment of DL's giving up future assets for failed runs or his recent drafting record: probably both. He's now traded two 2nd round picks that were actually the team's 1st pick of the draft in Zykov and Cernak. Traded up to get Zykov as well.

I do think a forward is coming as well. Going to be pretty amazing if they miss again and we are looking at more lost future assets.

How many guys taken after Zykov have done much of anything? What has Zykov done since being traded?

It's the draft. You'll hit. You'll miss. Most likely miss much more than hit. It's funny how so many are more married to prospects these days. It's the same thing Lombardi was accused of being earlier in his career.

 

[fsanford]

How many guys taken after Zykov have done much of anything? What has Zykov done since being traded?

It's the draft. You'll hit. You'll miss. Most likely miss much more than hit. It's funny how so many are more married to prospects these days. It's the same thing Lombardi was accused of being earlier in his career.

Didn't the Kings waste picks to trade up to draft Zykov?

Understand the hit and miss thing, but man that trade is like not only trading Zykov, but the other picks spent to draft him.
So how many picks does that really add up to?

 

[PJ Kings Hockey]

Didn't the Kings waste picks to trade up to draft Zykov?

You have a better chance of hitting, the more selections you have.

Yes, a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. They had 10 draft picks that year.

I want to thank Peter Budaj for stepping in to keep our season afloat. What a ride the last 2 years have been, eh, Buds? He was overplayed in February because Sutter wasn't going to play Zatkoff and his game suffered, but he was bouncing back. Overplayed not so much because of fatigue but because I think Budaj needs the constant fine-tuning of practices. This might be the high point for Budaj or he may find a nice back-up gig next year, but he's made himself proud. Loved having Budaj and I thank Ontario Reign goaltending coach Dusty Imoo for recommending him to the Kings and for helping Buds rediscover his game. Peter is a top-notch guy and fans, players and staff have raved about him as a person. I raise a toast to Budaj and one last time here, play his Black and White episode:

 

[BigKing]

How many guys taken after Zykov have done much of anything? What has Zykov done since being traded?

It's the draft. You'll hit. You'll miss. Most likely miss much more than hit. It's funny how so many are more married to prospects these days. It's the same thing Lombardi was accused of being earlier in his career.

And those teams that miss more often than hit are mediocre.

I'm not married to Zykov or Cernak but I am married to the notion of getting an NHL player with your first pick in a draft as opposed to 10 games of Kris Versteeg and TBD of Bishop. Especially when you trade up for one of them.

I am not off base whatsoever to critique the regime's draft record over the past five drafts or so. Harder to be successful without 1st round picks, I know, but the fact they haven't had many is another can of worms.

 

[sinister6000]

Budaj has out played Ben Bishop this season. Peter has struggled the last few games, but team has played like garbage in front of him too. Bishop has had a better career than Budaj but this season he's struggled. Budaj has battled this whole season and to dump him for a guy that he has out played is B.S.

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

Budaj has out played Ben Bishop this season. Peter has struggled the last few games, but team has played like garbage in front of him too. Bishop has had a better career than Budaj but this season he's struggled. Budaj has battled this whole season and to dump him for a guy that he has out played is B.S.

You are talking about two totally different teams, the same way that the Kings have the ability to diminish the goal scoring capability of their top forwards, they have a knack of bringing out the best in their goaltenders (except Zatkoff of course). Bishop should do very well behind the Kings defense.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

And those teams that miss more often than hit are mediocre.

I'm not married to Zykov or Cernak but I am married to the notion of getting an NHL player with your first pick in a draft as opposed to 10 games of Kris Versteeg and TBD of Bishop. Especially when you trade up for one of them.

I am not off base whatsoever to critique the regime's draft record over the past five drafts or so. Harder to be successful without 1st round picks, I know, but the fact they haven't had many is another can of worms.

Uh, EVERYONE misses more than they hit. The Kings goal of 2 NHLers per draft is actually noble and lofty and we have more homegrown guys on our roster than most teams.

Can criticize the top-end talent and what we're doing with the top picks if you want, but I think what we've done with later picks and translating picks into NHL players is practically 2nd to none.

Like I told Ziggy before, pick a team you think is performing better thru the draft and I'll be happy to compare and contrast, unless it's a lottery team from the last couple of years because that's a different ballgame altogether.

 

[Chazz Reinhold]

Budaj has out played Ben Bishop this season. Peter has struggled the last few games, but team has played like garbage in front of him too. Bishop has had a better career than Budaj but this season he's struggled. Budaj has battled this whole season and to dump him for a guy that he has out played is B.S.

Just for reference, compare Budaj's shot chart this year behind the Kings' defense with Bishop's shot chart this year behind the Lightning's defense. There's a pretty noticeable difference:


Budaj

Bishop

 

[fsanford]

Yes, a 2nd, 3rd, and 4th. They had 10 draft picks that year.

I want to thank Peter Budaj for stepping in to keep our season afloat. What a ride the last 2 years have been, eh, Buds? He was overplayed in February because Sutter wasn't going to play Zatkoff and his game suffered, but he was bouncing back. Overplayed not so much because of fatigue but because I think Budaj needs the constant fine-tuning of practices. This might be the high point for Budaj or he may find a nice back-up gig next year, but he's made himself proud. Loved having Budaj and I thank Ontario Reign goaltending coach Dusty Imoo for recommending him to the Kings and for helping Buds rediscover his game. Peter is a top-notch guy and fans, players and staff have raved about him as a person. I raise a toast to Budaj and one last time here, play his Black and White episode:

So a 2nd round prospect, another 2nd round pick, a 3rd, a 4th and 5th, for Kris Versteeg.

 

[BigKing]

Uh, EVERYONE misses more than they hit. The Kings goal of 2 NHLers per draft is actually noble and lofty and we have more homegrown guys on our roster than most teams.

Can criticize the top-end talent and what we're doing with the top picks if you want, but I think what we've done with later picks and translating picks into NHL players is practically 2nd to none.

Like I told Ziggy before, pick a team you think is performing better thru the draft and I'll be happy to compare and contrast, unless it's a lottery team from the last couple of years because that's a different ballgame altogether.

Should of clarified that I mean with the top picks, not 4th-7th rounders. To look at the 2nd round picks the past little bit here and be happy about it would take some mind tricks.

I know if you get x NHL players out of a draft, it is considered a success. Just because the Kings might squeeze out a couple of 4th liners in a single draft doesn't make it cool to consistently miss on 2nd rounders when those have often been the team's first choice in the draft due to trades.

Basically compounds losing the 1st round picks to trades.

As for this trade in particular, I get that it adds excitement and all and some people here are having visions of 2012 and '14 in regards to going on a late season tear.

I've seen this team live 27 times this season. I need more than one good win over Anaheim and a better back up goalie to get excited about being a buyer at the deadline.

If giving up Cernak--so soon after being drafted--for an impending UFA goalie is such an easy move to make, then it was a horrible pick.

Same goes for Zykov for Versteeg. With the seeming lack of top-end prospects in the system, continually missing on high or high-ish picks is a problem, no? Especially for a cap strapped team that needs some high performance from guys on ELCs.

I'm not expecting Simmonds and Toffoli with every 2nd round pick, but look at them since the Toffoli selection:

2011 - Gibson
2012 - No 2nd
2013 - Zykov (traded up)
2014 - McKeown (traded Vey to get pick); Lintuniemi
2015 - Cernak
2016 - Clague

Clague is the only exciting one because he hasn't had a chance to bust yet like the others. Not saying he will, but just saying it is still very early with him.

Just imagine if they could be as good in the 2nd round during these years as they have been in like the 4th, 5th and beyond. Exclude Clague because it is early on him and that is 0-5 on 2nd round picks. That's pretty rough when you factor in the position the Kings are in cap wise.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

I read DLs comments since the trade and unless I am misreading that I think he appears to hope to sign Bishop long-term? I would post the link but this is from my phone. Has anybody else who has read that article since Bishop's acquisition understood this to be true?

Specifically he said that he'd recognized as he cannot ride quick the same way he has been going into the future because he doesn't want to burn him out or shorten his career in the long run

 

[Axl Rhoadz]

I read DLs comments since the trade and unless I am misreading that I think he appears to hope to sign Bishop long-term? I would post the link but this is from my phone. Has anybody else who has read that article since Bishop's acquisition understood this to be true?

Specifically he said that he'd recognized as he cannot ride quick the same way he has been going into the future because he doesn't want to burn him out or shorten his career in the long run

Not a chance, you can't have 10-12 million tied up with 2 goaltenders.

 

[Papa Mocha 15]

Not a chance, you can't have 10-12 million tied up with 2 goaltenders.

But look at with DL said. He said that this is not an insurance policy and that the days of quick playing 70 games a season are over and knowing the DL always wants a number one in that it would make sense that he's going to try to sign Bishop in the offseason. This team was built from the net out. I am calling it now. DL is gonna try to sign Bishop