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GoldenBearHockey said:
LOL Kopitar and Doughty's minutes didn't increase, hell YOU were the one screaming that they needed to decrease and for the most part they did....

You wanna know why he's using Thompson and Clifford out there? Because they are mainly the only two veterans that are motoring every damn shift and giving a damn, like I said, go back and watch Kovalchuk's last 6 games, let me know when you can find him.
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After Kopitar's -5 stretch, he played 23:47 in the very next game. What kind of forward gets that icetime? That's average #1 d-man icetime. He played f***ing 24:26 last game. That would put him at 19th in d-men icetime, right above Giordano and right behind Pietrangelo. Thank goodness he was feeling it. After Doughty's -8 stretch, in which he played 25, 23, 26, he played 26, 26, 28, 30 in the next few games. Sorry you say stupid shit that's easily fact checked. Yeah, I WANT their ice time to decrease to be more effective, Stevens started to do that and he abandoned it, WD allegedly rolls four lines but doesn't. Doughty leads the league by nearly a full effing minute at 26:51/game, Kopitar is thankfully 'only' 4th, the other guys ahead of him tasked with far less responsibility like McDavid and Schiefele. Barkov probably gets similar stuff, but there's age at play here too.

So when you roll out Kovalchuk just to embarrass him, it only exacerbates the other issue, yeah.

I have zero problem with Clifford motoring out there, you know how I feel about him. Thompson has come around a bit as well and I don't mind him moonlighting on PP2 at times for a reward. But if you're going to sign a guy and put him thru the 'confusion' era then punish him for the entire roster's stupidity while the vets we've pleaded to be held accountable for years just stare blankly at him at the end of the bench, well, you could sign a much cheaper scapegoat.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
After Kopitar's -5 stretch, he played 23:47 in the very next game. What kind of forward gets that icetime? That's average #1 d-man icetime. He played ****ing 24:26 last game. Thank goodness he was feeling it. After Doughty's -8 stretch, in which he played 25, 23, 26, he played 26, 26, 28, 30 in the next few games. Sorry you say stupid **** that's easily fact checked. Yeah, I WANT their ice time to decrease to be more effective, Stevens started to do that and he abandoned it, WD allegedly rolls four lines but doesn't. Doughty leads the league by nearly a full effing minute at 26:51/game, Kopitar is thankfully 'only' 4th, the other guys ahead of him tasked with far less responsibility like McDavid and Schiefele. Barkov probably gets similar stuff, but there's age at play here too.

So when you roll out Kovalchuk just to embarrass him, it only exacerbates the other issue, yeah.

I have zero problem with Clifford motoring out there, you know how I feel about him. Thompson has come around a bit as well and I don't mind him moonlighting on PP2 at times for a reward. But if you're going to sign a guy and put him thru the 'confusion' era then punish him for the entire roster's stupidity while the vets we've pleaded to be held accountable for years just stare blankly at him at the end of the bench, well, you could sign a much cheaper scapegoat.
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This is nonsense.....Doughty has ALWAYS led the league in ice time, and you are acting like that is new?? Cmon man,

I will give you Kopitar, but his AVERAGE is the same as it has been, 21 minutes against Nashville, 20 minutes against STL,

So yea, he might play 24 minutes once in a while.... his AVERAGE is 22 minutes a game....4th in the league for forwards, for 11 million dollars, that's what's gonna happen...

Like I said before, Kopitar has historically proven, that's not a minus player, you can't say the same about Kovalchuk, yes, a PPG game player that's STILL a -129, now the argument will shift to, yea, but plus minus is a bad stat, not gonna argue you with you on that, but when a guy who has scored 400 career NHL goals is a -129, there maybe a slight neglect of the defensive zone there, that isn't there with Kopitar, so guess what, Kopitar gets the benefit of the doubt because, well history.

It's not selective anything, if Kovalchuk doesn't want to be embarrased, don't be the only player on his line that's a -11.....don't be one of the few that isn't working hard now....
 
crassbonanza said:
In today's 31 thoughts, Friedman had a note that the Kings had wanted to see how things changed post coaching change/Pearson trade and that the patience has expired. I'm really intrigued to see what he means by that. Are we going to be selling some big names now or pushing hard for a Nylander trade?
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Assuming this is true, I wonder why Blake would frantically place calls to make a trade? Whether we make a trade now or later, we are still not making the playoffs. He would have to be naive to think that making the playoffs is possible at this juncture. That said, I agree we NEED to make trades this season to get rid of vets and bring in assets. However, the best time to make trades is at the deadline because most teams are against the cap, and need as much room as possible.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
This is nonsense.....Doughty has ALWAYS led the league in ice time, and you are acting like that is new?? Cmon man,

I will give you Kopitar, but his AVERAGE is the same as it has been, 21 minutes against Nashville, 20 minutes against STL,

So yea, he might play 24 minutes once in a while.... his AVERAGE is 22 minutes a game....4th in the league for forwards, for 11 million dollars, that's what's gonna happen...

Like I said before, Kopitar has historically proven, that's not a minus player, you can't say the same about Kovalchuk, yes, a PPG game player that's STILL a -129, now the argument will shift to, yea, but plus minus is a bad stat, not gonna argue you with you on that, but when a guy who has scored 400 career NHL goals is a -129, there maybe a slight neglect of the defensive zone there, that isn't there with Kopitar, so guess what, Kopitar gets the benefit of the doubt because, well history.

It's not selective anything, if Kovalchuk doesn't want to be embarrased, don't be the only player on his line that's a -11.....don't be one of the few that isn't working hard now....
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My comment isn't about their usage in general. It's about their usage following struggles--it increased. Greatly. Which is obviously a contrast to kovalchuk, which is why I'm complaining. Is that clear now? (Edit: though yes, my overall complaint is that we're running those guys into the ground, and that was supposed to change, but it hasn't)

They were allowed to work through their issues. If you were consistent, you'd at least allow the guy you brought in to play offense to play offense and work through it.

We knew what we were getting, plus minus isn't a bad stat, it just needs context. The context here is that yeah, even when putting up 90+ points IK is a minus player. The context? because he racks up an assload of PP points. It's even more damning if we brought him in and didn't' understand that. Even on the Devils' cup team, IK was a minus player. Yet they didn't mind. Guess why?

It stands to reason that we brought that guy in to the #1 defensive team in the league with a selke winner and norris winner to insulate him. That's the tradeoff. And that's symbolic of the problem with this org--go out and get a puzzle piece that's a square because we need some squares, we're full of circles...then complain that it's edges aren't round enough to fit. Kovalchuk isn't checking well enough, while the team is last in GA. But don't allow him to play offensive situations, while the team is last in GF. What the f***?

you're complaining about Kovalchuk's +/- being -13...and dismissing Doughty racking up -8 in only three games. Are you WD?

It's only one game, ultimately. For all we know, maybe he had the squirts, and this is all much ado about nothing. But it's worth watching closely because it's back to the 'confusion' coaching style and the constant lack of accountability for everyone but rookies and Russians.
 
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Maybe when Vilardi comes back he'll get to play with Kovalchuk.

Something like Kovalchuk-Vilardi-Luff ?
 
Raccoon Jesus said:
My comment isn't about their usage in general. It's about their usage following struggles--it increased. Greatly. Which is obviously a contrast to kovalchuk, which is why I'm complaining. Is that clear now? (Edit: though yes, my overall complaint is that we're running those guys into the ground, and that was supposed to change, but it hasn't)

They were allowed to work through their issues. If you were consistent, you'd at least allow the guy you brought in to play offense to play offense and work through it.

We knew what we were getting, plus minus isn't a bad stat, it just needs context. The context here is that yeah, even when putting up 90+ points IK is a minus player. The context? because he racks up an assload of PP points. It's even more damning if we brought him in and didn't' understand that. Even on the Devils' cup team, IK was a minus player. Yet they didn't mind. Guess why?

It stands to reason that we brought that guy in to the #1 defensive team in the league with a selke winner and norris winner to insulate him. That's the tradeoff. And that's symbolic of the problem with this org--go out and get a puzzle piece that's a square because we need some squares, we're full of circles...then complain that it's edges aren't round enough to fit. Kovalchuk isn't checking well enough, while the team is last in GA. But don't allow him to play offensive situations, while the team is last in GF. What the ****?

you're complaining about Kovalchuk's +/- being -13...and dismissing Doughty racking up -8 in only three games. Are you WD?

It's only one game, ultimately. For all we know, maybe he had the squirts, and this is all much ado about nothing. But it's worth watching closely because it's back to the 'confusion' coaching style and the constant lack of accountability for everyone but rookies and Russians.
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Of course they didn't mind, he was producing...he's not producing now....so yea, it matters a helluva lot more.

Again, you want to complain about Doughty's 3 games where he was a -8, go ahead, history proves that it's a blip and not an everyday thing, IK doesn't have that luxury, THATs the difference...

They did allow him to play in offensive situations, he was playing with Carter and Toffoli BEFORE he was moved down for 2 games....and HE WASNT PRODUCING...that's the whole point...he wasn't producing, he wasnt playing defense...he wasn't trying hard, he wasn't doing jack shit....
 
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ROSTER UPDATE:

LA Kings have returned Peter Budaj to Ontario.
Oh, and in other news, Gabe Vilardi has been assigned to AHL Ontario Reign for a conditioning assignment.
See here for the details on how this works and some limitations...
Exploring Gabe Vilardi Options; Conditioning Assignment Likely Next
has been assigned to AHL Ontario Reign for a conditioning assignment.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
Of course they didn't mind, he was producing...he's not producing now....so yea, it matters a helluva lot more.

Again, you want to complain about Doughty's 3 games where he was a -8, go ahead, history proves that it's a blip and not an everyday thing, IK doesn't have that luxury, THATs the difference...

They did allow him to play in offensive situations, he was playing with Carter and Toffoli BEFORE he was moved down for 2 games....and HE WASNT PRODUCING...that's the whole point...he wasn't producing, he wasnt playing defense...he wasn't trying hard, he wasn't doing jack ****....
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Apples to oranges yet again. I'm not talking about IK's defense. i'm talking about his offense. He was PPG in his entire NHL career before, he was PPG in his first 13 games here...so yes he DOES have that luxury that this is a 'blip' if you're being consistent. But you're not being consistent, because yet again, with your last point, Kopitar wasn't playing offense or defense either but was allowed to work thorugh his issues. Thompson wasn't doing either, in fact, he was consistently losing his guy in the slot, but he was bumped up to the second line. Doughty started putting up points, but bleeding GA, and his ice time increased, and so forth. So if we're talking about player strengths and consistent accountability, you're only supporting my argument, keep it up.
 
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Raccoon Jesus said:
Apples to oranges yet again. I'm not talking about IK's defense. i'm talking about his offense. He was PPG in his entire NHL career before, he was PPG in his first 13 games here...so yes he DOES have that luxury that this is a 'blip' if you're being consistent. But you're not being consistent, because yet again, with your last point, Kopitar wasn't playing offense or defense either but was allowed to work thorugh his issues. Thompson wasn't doing either, in fact, he was consistently losing his guy in the slot, but he was bumped up to the second line. Doughty started putting up points, but bleeding GA, and his ice time increased, and so forth. So if we're talking about player strengths and consistent accountability, you're only supporting my argument, keep it up.
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Not really, but ok, I see what your saying, you think he should have kept Kovalchuk with Carter and Toffoli, while not producing AND bleeding goals, allowing him to....play out of it?? Interesting way to hold guys accountable I guess......you realize by the time that Desjardins bumped him, Kovy was going through the motions right?

Thompson lost his guy ONCE lol in the Ottawa game....
 
AlphaBravo said:
Assuming this is true, I wonder why Blake would frantically place calls to make a trade? Whether we make a trade now or later, we are still not making the playoffs. He would have to be naive to think that making the playoffs is possible at this juncture. That said, I agree we NEED to make trades this season to get rid of vets and bring in assets. However, the best time to make trades is at the deadline because most teams are against the cap, and need as much room as possible.
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Going to repeat what I posted after the Hagelin trade, " I hope LA deals Hagelin for a pick sooner than later in case of injury"...he is now injured.

It is a risk/reward. If there are deals for UFA's or that make sense for the kings going forward I hope LA does them now
 
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