Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

[KINGS17]

Bold ass claim but man



Lot of the rhetoric around those even remotely close to the team has changed entirely, maybe Rob and Luc get it.

 

[deaderhead28]

I buy nothing into his predictions [see Wiliams traded for sure ,Joe Thorton will be a King, etc...]

Mayor has since impressed.There is a Kings poster who made a deal that if Mayor correctly called a prediction,he would follow Mayor.Mayor call it and that Kings poster followed thru.Mayor has sources now.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Mayor has since impressed.There is a Kings poster who made a deal that if Mayor correctly called a prediction,he would follow Mayor.Mayor call it and that Kings poster followed thru.Mayor has sources now.

Eklund got one right too.

 

[deaderhead28]

Eklund got one right too.

Mayor has been breaking stuff the last couple of seasons.Mayor was terrible at rumors but the last few seasons he's broke many of the Kings stories that even the big dogs didnt.I waa a huge critic of John Hoven so bad he blocked my first acct on Twitter for calling his Elkund level rumors out.This is when he was just getting hammered by fans.John has since got serious connections in the organization.

 

[Herby]

It may not even be connections, Hoven like Rosen might just think a rebuild should be clear as day. And obviously Carter and Quick would be the 2 most marquee names to be moved.

The problem is Hoven/Rosen are assuming that Rob Blake and Luc Robitaille can see what everyone else does, and the terrifying thing is they might not.

 

[KingsFan7824]

When is comes to Quick, the 5.8 cap hit isn't horrible. Price makes twice that! Rinne is 36 years old and just got another 2 year contract! Quick can still play. If it wasn't for Phaneuf deflecting one past him and that last crazy redirection, he was good last night. His previous 2 games were good and his 50th career
shutout...we have been spoiled by having TOP goaltending for 11 years with him!! If we had an average goalie, we would KNOW how bad that is....like BEFORE
Quick. Most of us remember. Cloutier...on and on...So H YEAH, GMs want him...it just means for them to take on 5.8, Kings have to retain some
or get back a 4+ million contract. Fine. If that player is just a decent player, fine. (No Phaneufs Thompsons - a decent roster player) and also a 1st or 2nd round
pick and a high level prospect. That's what I see happening. If Tomas Tatar returned a 1 and 2 last year? To help Vegas score goals for the playoffs? Surely
Quick can fetch a #1 ( late 1st round anyway - we're talking a contender taking him) But yes, a good prospect as well as a roster player with 4-5 cap hit.

If that's what you're expecting for a goalie, you need to take it down a notch. Probably two. If they got all that for Quick, great. A 1st, a good prospect, and a cap dump who is at least a decent player? I think you're crazy. You can maybe expect 1 of those 3 assets. Maybe. Pick the one you want most, and hope for that. I highly doubt it would be all 3. This is a goalie. Look what they get traded for. Quick will be 33, signed until 2023, and we even say the threat of injury is always there, especially as he ages, simply because of the way he plays. All of those things are limiting factors.

Why do people keep going back to Tatar and Vegas last year as an example for what the Kings should get for everybody? Well I know why, it's 3 picks(although one of them was a mid round pick 3 years in the future) for an average player. I think we need to treat that as an isolated move. Vegas was an expansion team with plenty of cap, having the season of all season's, and had a bunch of picks through other expansion trades. Most teams aren't in that situation. If people are in a hurry to trade everyone because of what Detroit got for Tatar, I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed. They might say is that it? And then blame Blake for being a bad GM. And then get more negative.

If the Kings are this old, and cap strapped, and bad of a team, they are not getting out of this that easily. Everyone needs to lower all trade expectations. They will get what they get in these trades. If it happens to be a great return, then we'll all rejoice. If you're someone that doesn't think Blake should be a GM to begin with, lower those expectations even further, because bad GMs don't make good deals.

 

[Bandit]

you're full of ****

I hope you're having fun now, because pretty soon it's just going to be you & Racoon Jesus since he's the only one that can't put you on ignore. Grow up, for the sake of everyone that has the misfortune of coming into contact with you.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

If that's what you're expecting for a goalie, you need to take it down a notch. Probably two. If they got all that for Quick, great. A 1st, a good prospect, and a cap dump who is at least a decent player? I think you're crazy. You can maybe expect 1 of those 3 assets. Maybe. Pick the one you want most, and hope for that. I highly doubt it would be all 3. This is a goalie. Look what they get traded for. Quick will be 33, signed until 2023, and we even say the threat of injury is always there, especially as he ages, simply because of the way he plays. All of those things are limiting factors.

I think if more than 1 team wants Quick, the Kings will get a good return. Out of the 60 NHL goalies, only about 10 are deemed good enough to win 16 playoff games to win a
Cup. Quick is still one of them. We have been spoiled to have one of the elite NHL goalies for 11 years now. If you go back to 2012 and 2014 and we had a Frederick Andersen
and Quick was 32 then and on another team and available, you would have wanted him and paid a good price for him. I think there are a few teams in a place like this
and you cannot win a cup without a goalie that can win 16 playoff games. It would be nice to know how many teams were calling about his availability 2 weeks into the
season...even when Quick was not playing well. If the Jets had Quick instead of Hellebuyck, they would have won the cup. Not saying the Jets want him, but that's one example.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

If that's what you're expecting for a goalie, you need to take it down a notch. Probably two. If they got all that for Quick, great. A 1st, a good prospect, and a cap dump who is at least a decent player? I think you're crazy. You can maybe expect 1 of those 3 assets. Maybe. Pick the one you want most, and hope for that. I highly doubt it would be all 3. This is a goalie. Look what they get traded for. Quick will be 33, signed until 2023, and we even say the threat of injury is always there, especially as he ages, simply because of the way he plays. All of those things are limiting factors.

Why do people keep going back to Tatar and Vegas last year as an example for what the Kings should get for everybody? Well I know why, it's 3 picks(although one of them was a mid round pick 3 years in the future) for an average player. I think we need to treat that as an isolated move. Vegas was an expansion team with plenty of cap, having the season of all season's, and had a bunch of picks through other expansion trades. Most teams aren't in that situation. If people are in a hurry to trade everyone because of what Detroit got for Tatar, I think a lot of people are going to be very disappointed. They might say is that it? And then blame Blake for being a bad GM. And then get more negative.

If the Kings are this old, and cap strapped, and bad of a team, they are not getting out of this that easily. Everyone needs to lower all trade expectations. They will get what they get in these trades. If it happens to be a great return, then we'll all rejoice. If you're someone that doesn't think Blake should be a GM to begin with, lower those expectations even further, because bad GMs don't make good deals.

I agree to an extent but here's what I posted in the Quick trade thread:

"Yeah, the spread between top and bottom is smaller than, say the spread between top and mid forwards. but when was the last real high-profile guy moved? I feel like at the deadline Quick could return some combo of high pick-decent prospect, low pick-real good/sure thing prospect, or like a 2nd-3rd-good prospect, dunno.

Looking back over some history,
Varlamov for a 1st and 2nd
Ryan Miller (and Steve Ott) went for Halak, Stewart, Carrier, 1st, 3rd
Luongo was traded for a bluechip goalie prospect, Matthias, and Anthony

Even lesser goalies like Victor Fasth got a 3rd and a 5th"

I think Quick compares pretty favorably to Ryan Miller or Luongo, and IIRC Halak and Stewart were more for replacements and cap reasons, so it was really more about Carrier the 1st and the 3rd. I don't think it would be out of line for Quick to pull a 1st and a really good prospect (a former 1st or 2nd round pick). From that thread in particular, 1st and Valimaki were "too much" to me 1st and Kylington is too small because that dude has fallen out of favor, but no one seemed to blink at 1st and Rasmus Andersson, so that might be the sweet spot for a general template. I'd love a third asset but that might be too much with Quick's age and injury risk.

 

[King'sPawn]

Mayor has since impressed.There is a Kings poster who made a deal that if Mayor correctly called a prediction,he would follow Mayor.Mayor call it and that Kings poster followed thru.Mayor has sources now.

That poster was me. The Mayor has always had sources. I told myself years ago I would never follow him again due to his self aggrandizing and proclamations that never came true.

It's a bold claim, but I expect at least one will be gone

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I hope you're having fun now, because pretty soon it's just going to be you & Racoon Jesus since he's the only one that can't put you on ignore. Grow up, for the sake of everyone that has the misfortune of coming into contact with you.

Seriously, I call you full of shit because you say the team has ZERO effort in 30 games? Ok snowflake....

Amazing, that sets you off, but you have the balls to say the bolded, probably shouldn't dish shit out if you can't take it coming back at ya snowflake.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I agree to an extent but here's what I posted in the Quick trade thread:

"Yeah, the spread between top and bottom is smaller than, say the spread between top and mid forwards. but when was the last real high-profile guy moved? I feel like at the deadline Quick could return some combo of high pick-decent prospect, low pick-real good/sure thing prospect, or like a 2nd-3rd-good prospect, dunno.

Looking back over some history,
Varlamov for a 1st and 2nd
Ryan Miller (and Steve Ott) went for Halak, Stewart, Carrier, 1st, 3rd
Luongo was traded for a bluechip goalie prospect, Matthias, and Anthony

Even lesser goalies like Victor Fasth got a 3rd and a 5th"

I think Quick compares pretty favorably to Ryan Miller or Luongo, and IIRC Halak and Stewart were more for replacements and cap reasons, so it was really more about Carrier the 1st and the 3rd. I don't think it would be out of line for Quick to pull a 1st and a really good prospect (a former 1st or 2nd round pick). From that thread in particular, 1st and Valimaki were "too much" to me 1st and Kylington is too small because that dude has fallen out of favor, but no one seemed to blink at 1st and Rasmus Andersson, so that might be the sweet spot for a general template. I'd love a third asset but that might be too much with Quick's age and injury risk.

I think if you see Quick traded, it could be for anything, meaning, it might be for a roster player with less term, he could pull a first if you get a team like Calgary who might be in a dogfight at that point, but we would probably have to take Smith back....ouch. CBS might be a destination if they feel they can't sign Bobrovsky back, trade him for a roster player and Bobs etc and let them run,

Too many possibilities to run through, it'd make ya go insane....

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I think if you see Quick traded, it could be for anything, meaning, it might be for a roster player with less term, he could pull a first if you get a team like Calgary who might be in a dogfight at that point, but we would probably have to take Smith back....ouch. CBS might be a destination if they feel they can't sign Bobrovsky back, trade him for a roster player and Bobs etc and let them run,

Too many possibilities to run through, it'd make ya go insane....

I agree. My only point is to illustrate that premier goalies DO bring back assets despite the popular narrative being "goalies have little worth."

 

[KINGS17]

If you move Quick, you're gonna have to eat some salary, say 2 mil if not more. You also have to think the way Cal has been playing, some GM may [will] throw an offer sheet at him next summer as an RFA. Until he's signed, I wouldn't move anyone except Campbell.

You think a GM is going to offer a big contract to Petersen after a handful of NHL games? I don't think there is any danger of this to cause Blake concern.

Besides if a team does do it, Blake simply matches and says thanks for negotiating that deal for us.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Cal would have to sign the offer sheet too. Why would he when his opportunity exists here?

Plus, any kind of massive sheet that says we wouldn't sign him would return all sorts of assets.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

When Blake decides to start making trades, please don’t say “I need to only move this player to the East so we don’t see them often.” Get the best deal you can get. By eliminating half the potential teams, you reduce your opportunity to receive better assets. Do I want to see Quick or Carts four times a year? Not especially, but if we get better draft picks or prospects, I’ll be ok with that. Especially if we’re looking to move older assets - who might be around 2-4 years.

 

[Scottkmlps]

I admit, for nostalgia reasons it will suck to see some of these guys go, especially Quick (love watching that guy when he is on top of his game) but damn I’m looking forward to some new life being placed into this team. Out with (most of) the old and in with the new. Exciting times.......if done right.

 

[Cook24]

Toffoli and a Forbort for Coyle and Kunin yea?

 

[Sol]

Trading Quick and Carter would be the right step forward. If you're gonna suck you might as well suck with cheap players rather than expensive ones.


Clear the cap.

 

[johnjm22]

When Blake decides to start making trades, please don’t say “I need to only move this player to the East so we don’t see them often.” Get the best deal you can get. By eliminating half the potential teams, you reduce your opportunity to receive better assets. Do I want to see Quick or Carts four times a year? Not especially, but if we get better draft picks or prospects, I’ll be ok with that. Especially if we’re looking to move older assets - who might be around 2-4 years.

I agree 100%.

I've always hated that mentality.

 

[johnjm22]

Brown is interesting as a trade piece.

28 goals last year, scoring at a 35 goal pace this year. A 5.8M cap hit is fantastic for that production.

But he's 34 years old and signed for 3 more seasons. Hard to gauge his value.

 

[KINGS17]

Brown is interesting as a trade piece.

28 goals last year, scoring at a 35 goal pace this year. A 5.8M cap hit is fantastic for that production.

But he's 34 years old and signed for 3 more seasons. Hard to gauge his value.

I agree. As I have said earlier, I think a team like Tampa Bay which must go for it now, and is trying to keep pace in the arms race with Toronto would make an excellent trade partner in a deal for Brown.

I would really enjoy watching the playoffs and seeing Brown and Quick get a shot at another cup with contenders.

 

[Sleeping Dog]

Brown is interesting as a trade piece.

28 goals last year, scoring at a 35 goal pace this year. A 5.8M cap hit is fantastic for that production.

But he's 34 years old and signed for 3 more seasons. Hard to gauge his value.

I really think a team like Buffalo could use his SC experience. If they’re still in a playoff position at the TDL, I wonder if they give Blake a call.

 

[johnjm22]

I really think a team like Buffalo could use his SC experience. If they’re still in a playoff position at the TDL, I wonder if they give Blake a call.

Brown is also from nearby Ithica NY. I assume he still has roots there.

 

[Reaper45]

Brown is also from nearby Ithica NY. I assume he still has roots there.

He's completely resettled in L.A.