Rumor: KINGS 2018-19 Season - The Luc and Rob ****show

[kingsboy11]

Another issue with the lightning is that they really can't trade that first round pick because that pick becomes the rangers if the lightning win the cup. Setting aside the cap issues that it would take for a deal to actually take place, I just don't see a whole lot of sense between the two teams. It could be another Hagelin type deal for guys like Coburn who have 1 year left on their deal, but a guy like Martinez is worth more than just a cap dump. I was thinking that the only way for this to work would be to get 3rd team involved if Martinez is indeed the player the Lightning are looking for.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Palat has a full NMC.

We'll be harder pressed to find a player on Tampa without a NTC/NMC than one with.

 

[Bandit]

Kings didn’t want to part with a D prospect who might never play an NHL game for a young proven scoring forward. Sounds about right.

 

[Reaper45]

Tampa can't afford Martinez let alone Brown @KINGS17 never going to happen. They could this season but their cap crunch comes in next season.

 

[KINGS17]

Tampa can't afford Martinez let alone Brown @KINGS17 never going to happen. They could this season but their cap crunch comes in next season.

The Kings can retain and take back a bad contract. When you aren't a contender retaining salary to make a deal is possible.

 

[King'sPawn]

Yeah, my bad. Isn't Yzerman still an advisor for TB?

I might be misremembering, but I thought he left the organization altogether

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Apparently if Martinez or Muzzin is going there, salary must come back...PROBABLY one of their worst contracts. Maybe Palat or Callahan.
"But we don;t want Callahan!!" Of course not...but Blake is probably after a prospect like Callan Foote and must take the poison
to get him...and TBL wants to then add a young King D, to take Callan's spot. Now this would make sense....maybe not Brickley
or Clague - they are excluded - they may be as good as Foote! ----...but ANY other ones and they are looking at Lintu and others. Now all of this could make sense and YES, would take
Callahan's contract for 1 more year to get a big, RHD future stud like Foote. Would rather have Palat...
thus all the Ontario games and the King games as well.

 

[KingTrouty]

Does anyone have hope for the playoffs? Like, in the back of your mind there's still a chance.

I'm a flat out homer by nature and have zero faith. Wondering if there's any fans here that haven’t thrown in the towel, yet.

As of now, even the most optimistic have come to terms, I feel. I’m sure if the Kings rattled off 4 or 5 straight here, it would ignite hope in some.

 

[kingsboy11]

Does anyone have hope for the playoffs? Like, in the back of your mind there's still a chance.

I'm a flat out homer by nature and have zero faith. Wondering if there's people holding out hope, still.

As of now, even the most optimistic have come to terms. I’m sure if the Kings rattled off 4 or 5 straight here, it would create hope for some.

I think some of these players have a lot more to give than people think. I still think there are good players here, but I think this team has lost any sort of identity, chemistry and vision right now that it is messing with all the players where it can't be fixed by a simple head coach firing or trade. I'll always want them to win, but I just don't think they have it all together anymore which is why I think guys like Toffoli, Carter, Muzzin, Martinez are likely gone by the deadline. I'm very optimistic about our prospects and the potential top 5 pick that we could get at the end of the year, but other than that...

 

[KingTrouty]

I think some of these players have a lot more to give than people think. I still think there are good players here, but I think this team has lost any sort of identity, chemistry and vision right now that it is messing with all the players where it can't be fixed by a simple head coach firing or trade. I'll always want them to win, but I just don't think they have it all together anymore which is why I think guys like Toffoli, Carter, Muzzin, Martinez are likely gone by the deadline. I'm very optimistic about our prospects and the potential top 5 pick that we could get at the end of the year, but other than that...

That’s where I’m at, too, brother.

Also, by the time the first wave of prospects are up here ready to make an impact on the club, large salaries from players like Phaneuf and Kovy will be off the books, and Richards’ hit will finally be under 1M.

 

[LAKings88]

Apparently if Martinez or Muzzin is going there, salary must come back...PROBABLY one of their worst contracts. Maybe Palat or Callahan.
"But we don;t want Callahan!!" Of course not...but Blake is probably after a prospect like Callan Foote and must take the poison
to get him...and TBL wants to then add a young King D, to take Callan's spot. Now this would make sense....maybe not Brickley
or Clague - they are excluded - they may be as good as Foote! ----...but ANY other ones and they are looking at Lintu and others. Now all of this could make sense and YES, would take
Callahan's contract for 1 more year to get a big, RHD future stud like Foote. Would rather have Palat...
thus all the Ontario games and the King games as well.

C. Foote means more to them than anything the Kings have to offer.

 

[YP44]

anyone missing Lewis?

I am shocked at how I am not so I would shop the hell out of him. Good contract for a versatile player

 

[KingsHockey24]

anyone missing Lewis?

I am shocked at how I am not so I would shop the hell out of him. Good contract for a versatile player

It's hard to miss stone hands.

He should be gone by next year.

 

[Fat Elvis]

Kings claim Leipsic

 

[YP44]

Kings claim Leipsic

not sure if I like this or not. Guess no harm

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

anyone missing Lewis?

I am shocked at how I am not so I would shop the hell out of him. Good contract for a versatile player

I am, he's a premium checker and PKer. But he was also having a rough season. But a guy like that is worthless on this roster except as an example for incoming youth and as a friend for Doughty...so on that second note, I'd ship him out yesterday to make Drew uncomfortable, and because he'll make some contender VERY happy.

 

[YP44]

Does anyone have hope for the playoffs? Like, in the back of your mind there's still a chance.

I'm a flat out homer by nature and have zero faith. Wondering if there's any fans here that haven’t thrown in the towel, yet.

As of now, even the most optimistic have come to terms, I feel. I’m sure if the Kings rattled off 4 or 5 straight here, it would ignite hope in some.

I told everyone on here I was holding out hope till the end of November. I think I made it half the month through before I threw in the towel. haha

 

[BigKing]

This is the first season since I started watching every game (1996) that I don't always watch the replay and/or even forget there is a game and fail to set the DVR.

I have not gone to six out of 14 regular season home games so far. Was going to pass on tomorrow's game but might go for the Visnovsky stuff.

For the 2015-2018 seasons, I didn't go to a combined 23 games with three skipped last year due to being out of the country on vacation or else I would have gone. Excluding pre-season and playoffs, that is 164 regular season games so I've only skipped ~14% of all home games over four seasons. 2015 and '16 saw me only miss three games each season with all years going back to 2001 being in a similar range.

This year, I'm at a ~43% clip. It is absolutely the worst product I've seen since I've had seats and that includes rolling Derek Armstrong out as a #1C and seven consecutive years of missing the playoffs.

 

[YP44]

This is the first season since I started watching every game (1996) that I don't always watch the replay and/or even forget there is a game and fail to set the DVR.

I have not gone to six out of 14 regular season home games so far. Was going to pass on tomorrow's game but might go for the Visnovsky stuff.

For the 2015-2018 seasons, I didn't go to a combined 23 games with three skipped last year due to being out of the country on vacation or else I would have gone. Excluding pre-season and playoffs, that is 164 regular season games so I've only skipped ~14% of all home games over four seasons. 2015 and '16 saw me only miss three games each season with all years going back to 2001 being in a similar range.

This year, I'm at a ~43% clip. It is absolutely the worst product I've seen since I've had seats and that includes rolling Derek Armstrong out as a #1C and seven consecutive years of missing the playoffs.

Not saying this applies to you, but do you think winning has increased the expectation for fans even die hard ones? I imagine the expectation and pressure from fans on Blake is a lot more than Taylor.

Funny 1995-96 was when I became a die hard kings fan as well.

 

[DoktorJeep]

I told everyone on here I was holding out hope till the end of November. I think I made it half the month through before I threw in the towel. haha

Last year, Buffalo was in last place on this date. They stayed in last and got Rasmus Dahlin with the first pick. So that’s some reason for hope as a Kings fan.

Bad news is that Buffalo had 16 pts a year ago, so the Kings 21 pts is a concern. However, the Kings have many assets to sell off if management waives the white flag.

So there is zero hope for playoffs much less contender this season. But there could be playoff contention next year with an injection of youth + skill + offensive coaching.

 

[BigKing]

Not saying this applies to you, but do you think winning has increased the expectation for fans even die hard ones? I imagine the expectation and pressure from fans on Blake is a lot more than Taylor.

Funny 1995-96 was when I became a die hard kings fan as well.

I grew up in a non-hockey household but stumbled across the Kings due to the Gretzky trade. I watched every Lakers game so the buzz got me to check out something other than the Lakers on Prime Ticket. It wasn't until 96 though that it became an every game, obsessive deal.

As for expectations, there is only an expectation of entertainment. I did not expect wins last year but there they were; however, the real hope for last season was to be entertaining after the flaccid 2017 campaign and they came through. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem you can have entertaining NHL hockey now unless you are winning since they've legislated out all of the fun stuff that could make a bad team interesting. There are no tough teams anymore: just good or bad. We are the latter so it is borderline pointless to watch. If Vilardi survives his next sneeze and plays up here after the WJC, then there will be something to monitor. Right now though, it is the same old guys that used to produce wins just getting their asses handed to them every night.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Not saying this applies to you, but do you think winning has increased the expectation for fans even die hard ones? I imagine the expectation and pressure from fans on Blake is a lot more than Taylor.

Funny 1995-96 was when I became a die hard kings fan as well.

Winning has absolutely upped the expectations of the fans, even the die-hard fans, even the fans who know how hard it is to win and compete at that level....it's what winning does, it's not a bad thing really.....it should also up the expectations from the players, and staff....and that's where the disconnect is, no one can see that it has or if it has.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

I grew up in a non-hockey household but stumbled across the Kings due to the Gretzky trade. I watched every Lakers game so the buzz got me to check out something other than the Lakers on Prime Ticket. It wasn't until 96 though that it became an every game, obsessive deal.

As for expectations, there is only an expectation of entertainment. I did not expect wins last year but there they were; however, the real hope for last season was to be entertaining after the flaccid 2017 campaign and they came through. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem you can have entertaining NHL hockey now unless you are winning since they've legislated out all of the fun stuff that could make a bad team interesting. There are no tough teams anymore: just good or bad. We are the latter so it is borderline pointless to watch. If Vilardi survives his next sneeze and plays up here after the WJC, then there will be something to monitor. Right now though, it is the same old guys that used to produce wins just getting their asses handed to them every night.

I wonder if that is a difference....what I mean is...you acknowledge you grew up in a non-hockey household.....I lived and breathed hockey from the time I was three, as a result, I wonder...if I enjoy the game more regardless of who wins/loses, but also regardless of if it's 2-1, or 6-5, vs you....who grew up in a non-hockey, coming from basketball, expecting, that a high scoring game is more entertaining, while perhaps losing the nuances of a 1-2, 2-1 game? It's an honest question despite what people think.....

 

[BigKing]

I wonder if that is a difference....what I mean is...you acknowledge you grew up in a non-hockey household.....I lived and breathed hockey from the time I was three, as a result, I wonder...if I enjoy the game more regardless of who wins/loses, but also regardless of if it's 2-1, or 6-5, vs you....who grew up in a non-hockey, coming from basketball, expecting, that a high scoring game is more entertaining, while perhaps losing the nuances of a 1-2, 2-1 game? It's an honest question despite what people think.....

I've been watching the Kings since the Gretzky trade and basically grew up on 90's hockey. Been going to nearly every Kings home game since 2001-02. Flew to f***ing England to see them play the Ducks.

I don't give two shits about 1-0 or 7-6. I held seats during the end of the dead puck era for a team that couldn't make the playoffs for seven years. What I do care about is zero intensity during regular season games.

So we are going to lose to the Avs by four goals? That sucks. Do I get Grimson v. Parker? Does Lappy run somebody? Does something happen that leads to bad blood the next time they play?

Hockey was an amazing sport that also had this incredible game-within-the-game of unwritten rules and grudges. They've been legislating fighting out since even the 90s with the instigator and then the game day roster reduction. The day of the designated enforcer is gone and pretty much has been but, man, can we still get some hits and some scrums in front of the net?

The best game I went to this season was the one against Detroit. They won in a low scoring game but it was fun as Muzzin made a big hit and got into a fight and, more to my point, Bertuzzi and Phaneuf had a thing going all night that was fun to watch. Last season's game against the Rangers was similar with Clifford crushing a guy and then Kempe fighting at the end of the 1st with Quick chirping at center ice as he skated off.

Call it tribalism or whatever, but this stuff gets you engaged and the crowd--even in 2018--eats it up. Check out the clip of the near Rask/Howard fight from this weekend and how the crowd boos loudly when the refs--who aren't supposed to break up fights--grab both of them and keep them from going. We are paying to be entertained so give us what we want.

 

[HeadInjury]

Last year, Buffalo was in last place on this date. They stayed in last and got Rasmus Dahlin with the first pick. So that’s some reason for hope as a Kings fan.

Bad news is that Buffalo had 16 pts a year ago, so the Kings 21 pts is a concern. However, the Kings have many assets to sell off if management waives the white flag.

So there is zero hope for playoffs much less contender this season. But there could be playoff contention next year with an injection of youth + skill + offensive coaching.

Kings are 7-8 in their last 15, notwithstanding all the injuries. It is doubtful that we are going to end up in the cellar.

Instead of thinking of a complete rebuild, I think the team just needs to get younger. We still have some very good players and there is some talent in the pipeline. Kopitar, Doughty and Brown are going to stay here, probably Quick too. This team is probably 6 players short of what it needs, which is a lot, but we really don't need a #1 center (Kopitar critics notwithstanding), a #1 d-man or goaltending. Move on from Carter, Lewis, Thompson, Hagelin and find a taker for Phaneuf with 50% retained and a sweetener thrown in.