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KHL Expansion part IV (Mod warning post 760)

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BalticWarrior said:
Can you explain this reference? I've heard it plenty times but what's the back story behind it?
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It's a reference to Björn Rosengren, the former Swedish Minister for Enterprise (1998-2002). In relation to the conflict and difficulties in merging the Norwegian telecommunications company Telenor with the Swedish telecommunications company Telia (which eventally failed), Rosengren on September 23, 1999 referred to the Norwegians as "The Last Soviet Republic" (" Nordmännen är ju egentligen den sista sovjetstat") on Swedish television.

 
What my norwegian friend said some time ago...



vålerenga is probably the team in the world i hate the most
both football and hockey
but vålerenga beat my team 9-0 recently
we have three good teams in norway. vålerenga is one of them
but i think stavanger is better
maybe lørenskog too

hockey
but too put it that way, oslo isnt the "hockey" capital
that would be sarpsborg
my neighbour town
i think stavanger has higher attendance average than vålerenga
and they have a lot more money
stavanger is the only team of the west coast of norway

i dont think manglerud star plays in the top division any more, but they are also from oslo. lørenskog just outside.
but vålerenga doesnt have that many fans
there are other clubs that have more fans
within 90 minutes from oslo, you have 5-6 teams in the top division

but no one really cares about hockey in oslo
you can consider lørenskog a part of oslo

i would rather recommend them joining khl
but of course, i hate vålerenga, i dont want them any good at all
but id say sparta sarpsborg or stavanger
sparta had a lot of money few years ago and won the premiership and the norwegian "stanley cup"
sparta is the "hockey town" of norway

sparta had about 2 000 at their first ice training of the year
they are crazy about hockey over there
i dont know, my arguments for vålerenga is that is in the capital, and it might be easier for other people (who doesnt care abou vålerenga but that want to see other teams from khl) to get there
from outside oslo
but vålerenga and lørenskog is equal that way
since both are in oslo
lørenskog is a bit further from the centre of oslo, but it might be easier to get there with the metro
to vålerenga arena you have to take buses and walk

my arguments for sparta is that it's closer to sweden and might attract swedish fans
a little bit, yeah
but lørenskog is just outside the city border
it's in another municipal, but you consider it a part of oslo

from my point of view, vålerenga and lørenskog has about the same potential
in ottawa, the sens' arena is outside the city
and i believe it's about the same distance from oslo downtown to lørenskog
their expanding the metro to lørenskog
dont know how far from the arena, might take a connected bus or walk
but stavanger has most money and the highest average these days
sparta will never go to khl, their arena is too small
i'd say vålerenga, lørenskog og stavanger
i know stavanger wanna go there
and vålerenga
but anyway, if norway has some really good players these days, they will go to sweden
play in the swedish league
and if they're good enough, they will go to russia or nhl
 
Wow that would be sort of a outpost for the KHL to have a team in Norway. It's a wonder they don't go after another team or 2 in the Austrian or Swiss league.
 
Beranek said:
Wow that would be sort of a outpost for the KHL to have a team in Norway. It's a wonder they don't go after another team or 2 in the Austrian or Swiss league.
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Not exactly welcome there now. The troubles Jokerit have had even before the Ukraine crisis began, had soured people in Central Europe on them as well.
 
Hundreds of German companies are reducing their investments in Rusisa significantly and several thousand plan to do so in the future. Also the football club FC Schalke 04 is under serious criticism for wearing jerseys with the Gazprom logo on them!

Germany can be officially cancelled from the KHL expansion map. There won't be any reasonable business left for the future.
 
loppa said:
i dont know, my arguments for vålerenga is that is in the capital, and it might be easier for other people (who doesnt care abou vålerenga but that want to see other teams from khl) to get there
from outside oslo
but vålerenga and lørenskog is equal that way
since both are in oslo
lørenskog is a bit further from the centre of oslo, but it might be easier to get there with the metro
to vålerenga arena you have to take buses and walk

my arguments for sparta is that it's closer to sweden and might attract swedish fans
a little bit
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Am an Stavanger Oilers fan myself, but I hope VIF are admitted into the KHL. Not that I like VÃ¥lerenga, but the KHL team would be different (and separated) from the GET-ligaen team, and it could help develop Norwegian prospects.

The main reason for my hopes is that it would hopefully serve as a team from which the main part of the Norwegian national team can be formed from (a la Dinamo Riga's role for the Latvian national team). I would mainly support it as a secondary national team, with a (hopefully) good portion of our current players on the national team and future national team players, in which they get quality opponents (at least most of the time) and training; spiced with a couple of Swedish players who want to play on a higher level than in the SHL, but not too far from home. The generally higher level of talent of this team would possibly attract not only Swedish fans who doesn't care about the GET-ligaen, but also those Norwegians who normally dislike VÃ¥lerenga or don't care about the GET-ligaen but do follow the national team at the World Championship and Olympics.

Of course, lots of maybes and uncertainties here. But I am a cautious optimist. If it turns out that way (or even just partially), it will be good for Norwegian hockey (at least in terms of our national team). :)

But it would have been better with a team not directly associated with VÃ¥lerenga. Maybe revive the old Spektrum Flyers? Or maybe a completely new name - but due to my pro-Philadelphia Flyers bias and that I generally prefer North American-style names, it should IMO be similar to some - Oslo Vikings maybe? :P (although I bet the American football team with the same name would object).

I can also understand if it doesn't happen (or viewed with criticism and scepticism in Norway) in regards to the Ukrainian-Russian crisis over Crimea, but I think that sports and politics should be kept apart as much as possible - I was against a boycot of the Olympics for the same reason.
 
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GotTheMovesLikeJagr said:
spiced with a couple of Swedish players who want to play on a higher level than in the SHL, but not too far from home.
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It will cost much more for a Finnish or Norwegian team to get swedish players interested in KHL. All of them are there for one reason only: Money. And they would not accept a pay cut (at least not a significant one) to play in finland or norway. The scenario would pretty much be that the norwegian club is the only KHL club offering a decent contract. Living in norway or finland is obviously prefered by far, but money will only get you so far.
 
Jonimaus said:
It will cost much more for a Finnish or Norwegian team to get swedish players interested in KHL. All of them are there for one reason only: Money. And they would not accept a pay cut (at least not a significant one) to play in finland or norway. The scenario would pretty much be that the norwegian club is the only KHL club offering a decent contract. Living in norway or finland is obviously prefered by far, but money will only get you so far.
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Sad but true. I think it will change when they (probably and hopefully) change the game schedule to play the other conference teams once a year, not twice as it is today!
 
Exarz said:
Sad but true. I think it will change when they (probably and hopefully) change the game schedule to play the other conference teams once a year, not twice as it is today!
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They played only home & away once against every team this year, if you were referring to the enormous travelling they have to do.
 
pulverapa said:
They played only home & away once against every team this year, if you were referring to the enormous travelling they have to do.
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Yeah, I was referring to the enormous travelling. What I ment was that with West playing East once instead of twice would decrease the travelling, since they would play half of those team home and not away :handclap:
 
Swedish update:

Aik are very likely to be relegated tonight or later this week from SHL, which will put them on the verge of extinction. Or KHL. Lately there have been talks of new teams getting a Gazprom deal of 20 million Euro per season over three years - which if true could be their only way to survive as a club.

Lately I have been talking to people that support aik and been around forums and, to my surprise, they sound more and more positive towards KHL. They realize the situation they are in.

I would estimate the chance that Aik will apply for membership in KHL within the next two seasons to 50%.

Swedish teams joining within 5 years:

Aik: 25-50%
Djurgården: 5-10%
Malmö: 5-10%
 
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pulverapa said:
Swedish update:

Aik are very likely to be relegated tonight or later this week from SHL, which will put them on the verge of extinction. Or KHL. Lately there have been talks of new teams getting a Gazprom deal of 20 million Euro per season over three years - which if true could be their only way to survive as a club.

Lately I have been talking to people that support aik and been around forums and, to my surprise, they sound more and more positive towards KHL. They realize the situation they are in.

I would estimate the chance that Aik will apply for membership in KHL within the next two seasons to 50%.
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First I'd like to say that in 2 seasons, the chance would be 50-75%. Remember that they have the chance to be one of the two clubs to get promoted next season! If they don't, the chance will be up at 75% :laugh:

I'm wondering what the hockey federation would say (again) if AIK applied. Would they really make a club go through bankruptcy just because they say no to the KHL?

Would a proposal be to make the club go bankruptcy (so the club doesn't exist anymore), and then join the KHL with the "new AIK"?

Also, I really hope the team support will be good if this happens. It sounds good according to the fans - but will it be? Building a hockey arena in Solna would probably give higher attendance as well, but that's a future thought!
 
Exarz said:
First I'd like to say that in 2 seasons, the chance would be 50-75%. Remember that they have the chance to be one of the two clubs to get promoted next season! If they don't, the chance will be up at 75% :laugh:

I'm wondering what the hockey federation would say (again) if AIK applied. Would they really make a club go through bankruptcy just because they say no to the KHL?

Would a proposal be to make the club go bankruptcy (so the club doesn't exist anymore), and then join the KHL with the "new AIK"?

Also, I really hope the team support will be good if this happens. It sounds good according to the fans - but will it be? Building a hockey arena in Solna would probably give higher attendance as well, but that's a future thought!
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This time around I think the Swedish hockey federation will apply for aik to leave Swedish hockey.

Can any Russian poster confirm that Gazprom are willing to invest 20 million Euro per season over three into years teams like VÃ¥lerenga and Aik? :)

I generally thought that a Swedish team never could compete economically but 20 mil a season is a lot of money...
 
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pulverapa said:
This time around I think the Swedish hockey federation will apply for aik to leave Swedish hockey.

Can any Russian poster confirm that Gazprom are willing to invest 20 million Euro per season over three into years teams like VÃ¥lerenga and Aik? :)

I generally thought that a Swedish team never could compete economically but 20 mil a season is a lot of money...
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I think you've misinterpreted the stories about VÃ¥lerenga and Jokerit. Jokerit are expecting(hoping to have an overall budget of 20 million euros and I think VÃ¥lerenga made similar stories. There was no mention of Gazprom.
 
Jussi said:
I think you've misinterpreted the stories about VÃ¥lerenga and Jokerit. Jokerit are expecting(hoping to have an overall budget of 20 million euros and I think VÃ¥lerenga made similar stories. There was no mention of Gazprom.
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http://www.aftonbladet.se/sportbladet/hockey/article18572927.ab

It's from this Swedish "source", claiming that VÃ¥lerenga are guaranteed 150 million per season from KHL, which basically means Gazprom.
 
Why would KHL want a team that noone gives a damn about? The only time they are even close to selling out is when the football fans are attending the derbys and possibly a few other games a year.
 
Jonimaus said:
Why would KHL want a team that noone gives a damn about? The only time they are even close to selling out is when the football fans are attending the derbys and possibly a few other games a year.
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Exactly, that's why I'm a bit sceptical to AIK joining the KHL. I think their attendance would be around 7000-8000 if they had an arena in Solna, but that would be in 5-10 years from now
 
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Not exactly welcome there now. The troubles Jokerit have had even before the Ukraine crisis began, had soured people in Central Europe on them as well.
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Yeah that's to bad. I thought I read somewhere that EC Red Bull Salzburg were considering the KHL.
 
Belgrade is going to get a team.


Well, that's my April fools joke, a day late. ) I was busying pulling them in real life, lying about getting married. )))
 
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