that's actually a good result for the "shock" stage of this transition. I imagine it will be even more favorable towards the KHL in about a year
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that's actually a good result for the "shock" stage of this transition. I imagine it will be even more favorable towards the KHL in about a year
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http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=68250951&postcount=153
As I mention there, a similar poll on that website's Facebook page is more pro-SM-Liiga than KHL from Jokerit fans with significantly more voters.
Is the Facebook vote still running? or was it just during the days when fans were still in biggest shock?
It was a just bit "harsh" response to you as you seem to be trying to answer negative about everything positive about this Jokerit KHL subject.
But like I said before anything can happen in a year. Maybe Eteläpääty fan section is dead, maybe it's in half (my prediction). Maybe the arena is half empty or full. We don't know yet.
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Well, people don't have to love Jokerit KHL project from the start but if Jokerit leaves SM-liiga they are no longer a competitor and so maybe they can earn quite a lot fans who want them as their KHL team. Not every Fin on the planet has to be for this project as apparently arena has limited capacity.
And because of the hate towards Jokerit:
In Germany football club Bayern Munich - you know the best team in Europe - is hated that much you barely can't believe it but they are still by far the biggest club with most fans too and when they play international games against teams from Spain, England, Italy etc most fans in Germany support them as they represent the country, not just themselves.
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I wouldn't really see that as a problem. It was the same with Slovan, hated by pretty much everyone outside of Bratislava. Everything changed in KHL, I'd say that 90% of Slovan haters turned into Slovan fans last season. I guess it would change again if Košice (the biggest Slovan rival from Extraliga) joined KHL, but since Slovan is the only Slovak team in KHL and considering the traditional Slovak nationalism, people view it kinda like a national team, representing Slovakia. Add the innate resentment of Russians (which is definitely even stronger in Finland) and trust me, Finns will cheer for Jokerit, at least against Russian teams.
Vicente an ebis, good points.
-SM-liiga Jokerit: The most hated team in Finland
-KHL Jokerit: The hate will decrease but time will tell how much. I really see Jokerit representing Finland and owner Harkimo has commented the same and wants to build a Finnish roster and amount of foreigners stay about the same as usual.
I once remember when Kärpät played in some important european game (Champions League or something), I rooted them because they represented Finland in that game...in SM-liiga I hate that team.
-SM-liiga Jokerit: The most hated team in Finland
-KHL Jokerit: The hate will decrease but time will tell how much. I really see Jokerit representing Finland and owner Harkimo has commented the same and wants to build a Finnish roster and amount of foreigners stay about the same as usual.
I once remember when Kärpät played in some important european game (Champions League or something), I rooted them because they represented Finland in that game...in SM-liiga I hate that team.
It just doesn't work like that. In the past few days every non-Jokerit fan I've talked about this IRL seemed to be quite intrigued about the whole thing and were already planning to go watch some Jokerit KHL-games. Jokerit is not the enemy anymore when it's not SM-liiga. Or maybe my friends are not that fanatic, I don't know. But it's the same thing with soccer. When HJK made it to the Champions League group stage it was like Finnish national team would have been there. Everyone was rooting for HJK even if they normally couldn't care less about the team or even "hated" them.
Does it even matter if people root for the team or not at first as long as they fill the seats? Most casual fans will probably be neutral at first but more they go the games, the more they will start supporting Jokerit.
I predict that strong Eteläpääty will still exist in '14-15. Now some hot heads are being very vocal about how the world is going to end, but I think most of them will come to their senses. Maybe some current fans will abandon the team and start following chess or something but I'm sure there will be enough new supporters to replace them.
Why would there be rivalries with those teams? Because they're the closest ones?
You don't build rivalries in a year or two, it can take decades to build up.
One thing is off course the closer distance so fans from the teams can travel easier to Jokerit games and vice versa but also it's easier to have rivalries with teams from your own conference in the fight for open playoff spots and later in playoff series.
medvescak build rivalries in EBEL in the 4 years they played there. the biggest one with Klagenfurth.
it started with bad fouls and ended in this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QAlLhVJPWUE
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Tuomas (one of the Eteläpääty bosses) said at Jatkoaika that they'd talk with Roman Tuesday about what his plans for the fan section would be. Biggest reason that section is so big and vocal is the fact they have the cheapest season tickets (requires fan club membership) in SM-Liiga but only to that section. Ticket prices in general will be big questionmark as Jokerit already have one of the most expensive ticket prices in SM-Liiga and with increased expenses in KHL, I can't see them going down much.
Jussi
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Ok, I thought you have to log in there as I don't have Facebook account... the page doesn't show any actual numbers (just bars) and question is little bit different as it asks "would you rather see Jokerit in SM-liiga than in KHL."You can't go to Jatkoaika's Facbook page (it's public for everyone) on your own?
Edit. Found the numbers too, they are hidden. Votes don't look bad IMO.
KHL, I'm Jokerit fan: 132
SM-liiga, I'm Jokerit fan: 206
KHL, I'm fan of other team: 458
SM-liiga, I'm fan of other team: 410
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I agree. Ticket prices are a bit of question mark and they have to be reasonable. I think Timtshenko and Rotenbergs are smart guys though. They would never allow Jokerit to play for half empty arena because of too high ticket prices. That would be very bad PR for KHL. To me it seems like a positive sign that Roman is already in talks with Jokerit fans. I would think it's also important for arena owners and KHL that Eteläpääty will be as loud as ever in the KHL games too.
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I think the fact that there's no Finnish fans to "compete" with them via chants might have an effect on the atmosphere.
Rotenberg's comments that they intend to make profit with Hartwall Areena or their whole arena business and that they will only sponsor a little (Harkimo has to get the most money himself), does raise question marks about ticket prices though.
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that is high in KHL terms. I see no reason why should Jokerit to increase the price. Russians see hockey as social project as well, not only bussiness as in NHL.
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Because the budjet is going to be 20-30M €, so in order to trying to cover it somehow.. If it goes like in Finland that would normally go, tickets would be between 40-100€ for a seat. I don't know how much there is sponsor money thought coming, that is the variable that will grow, but how much if hjallis has to get the sponsors on he's own? And would away team Fans be ready to pay for Finnish standard priced tickets if they had to cover big slice of the budget on actual business? If they were able to sell 10 000 tickets per game on avera, with 35e average ticketprice, they would make 0,35M € for a home game.. How many homegames they could have? With 35 games they would make 12,25 million euro for tickets, rest should be covered other way.
Also I just pulled every figure out of my hat, but it makes you think, how can they have that high budget. That 10k average viewers can be optimistic, it counts on fans of other SM-Liiga teams like me to come to games and it also counts on Jokerit fans being with their team, counts on KHL game's having higher average than SM-Liiga games would. Maybe the budget is only going to double after all, to around 16M.
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I can add voting at russian hockey website allhockey.ru
http://allhockey.ru/news/155043/
- Great! KHL has needed one more serious (traditional or so) euro club - 26,6%
- I am positive. Club from Finland or Sweden should join much earlier - 19,3%
- I would be fine, if Jokerit wanted to join .. not to be bought (by KHL) - 20,3%
- it is a step back for Jokerit - 1,4%
- Better to have Finns than expansion to Asia - 10,5%
- I am negative. It is better to invest to russian clubs - 18,6%
- I dont care - 3,3%
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Not to be OT
I dont know what you want to tell... Admiral had/has problems in the beginning, was created in a hurry. I dont worry about future, Admiral is as important for KHL as Jokerit or Lev Praha.
It is different to have such weird project in Leipzig (Europe in generall) and in Vladivostok (Russia). KHL can control Admiral very easy, not the case of Leipzigv (not in Russia, not big names). One example, Gdansk project was terminated because of financial aspect (the same like Leipzig).
Believe me, KHL has a plan. Poprad had a mission, Slovan/Lev/Jokerit have own mission, the same Admiral. Only Poprad was temporary thing IMO. Admiral and Jokerit will do fine.
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