Post-Game Talk: KFC serves a 3 piece special... Jets win 7-4

[kanadalainen]

Was at friends for New years and watched the game there , apparently they don't watch many games because every time the Jets scored my yell of yaaaaa or **** yaaaaa scared their little fart smeller of a dog so bad it was trembling . I felt bad but come on it's the Jets and you don't sit there like your at a library .

I'm not for a solemn tribunal either. This is war, damn it!

 

[The Blue Baron]

WOOOW I’m still drunk! Happy new year everyone!

Great game Jets we’re on a mission in the the with testosterone at epic levels in the 3rd as if to say....

have day great New Year’s Day and nurse that liver!

 

[Spock]

Recall Kyle Connor exploding offensively at Michigan when not named to the American U20 team. When he didn't stick with the Jets his Moose numbers were very good. Now he wasn't named to the All-Star team and proceeds to score three goals. I'm not the best judge of human nature, but is there something to this?

The bolded is for Dennis Beyak, in case we all don't know which Connor who scores goals for the Jets I'm talking about.

 

[Tommigun]

Was at friends for New years and watched the game there , apparently they don't watch many games because every time the Jets scored my yell of yaaaaa or **** yaaaaa scared their little fart smeller of a dog so bad it was trembling . I felt bad but come on it's the Jets and you don't sit there like your at a library .

Care to elaborate on the fart smelling bit?

 

[Jets 31]

Care to elaborate on the fart smelling bit?

It's just a name i have for dogs the size of a football .

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Definitely an entertaining game. I can't remember the last time Jets were that physical. Great way to end the year.

We gave up a lot of shots, but quite a few were from low danger locations.

What the **** was Rosie doing, giving away goals?
The 2 guys he gave then to both have long term contracts. He is in a negotiation year. At least he got the A's.

Happy new year to all.

 

[Jets 31]

Are you not happy ? Jets winning always makes me happy .

 

[Whileee]

Just also wanted to give Sbisa a shout out , man he worked hard in our end especially along the boards . He won alot of battles using his body and strength . Also thought Scheifele worked harder and i never saw him ***** to the refs once .

I have to disagree about Sbisa. He is still tentative and gets beat a lot along the boards, and he's replaced Chiarot as the designated puck icer. He repeatedly ices the puck or makes a really bad pass when he has time and space to do something useful. If you have to scramble for a long, tired shift after you've iced the puck for no reason, that's your fault. Sbisa does that way too often.

 

[kanadalainen]

It's been proven that bigger rinks decrease scoring.
I'd rather closer quarters so that the supremely talented can showcase that. Seeing Connor's hands, Ehlers wheeling, so much more impressive on the NHL sized ice. I really liked Roslovic last night and Appleton and Harkins impressed as well.

You are right - for most teams.

However our Jets would likely excel with a huge ice surface, just the way they seem to with the modicum of "extra ice" seen in a 4 on 4, and in OT with 3 on 3. Giving this particular team some extra ice surface would help many of our players utilize their talents, and even accentuate them (Ehlers, Rosie, Laine, Pionk come to mind).

My point is that a larger ice surface may select for certain abilities, and I guess that we have players who would benefit under those conditions.

 

[Whileee]

Fun fact... Jets actually had more High Danger Corsi attempts than the Avs last night at even strength and in all situations (despite having way more PK time), and they led the Avs in xGF% at even strength (56.4%). The shot totals were deceiving as Avs took a ton of shots from the point with traffic in front. The Jets created good opportunities and cashed in with their finishing talent. I thought the Avs' D looked quite loose.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

This post doesn't sound positive .

That was last so year.

 

[Jet]

You are right - for most teams.

However our Jets would likely excel with a huge ice surface, just the way they seem to with the modicum of "extra ice" seen in a 4 on 4, and in OT with 3 on 3. Giving this particular team some extra ice surface would help many of our players utilize their talents, and even accentuate them (Ehlers, Rosie, Laine, Pionk come to mind).

My point is that a larger ice surface may select for certain abilities, and I guess that we have players who would benefit under those conditions.

All bigger ice really does is expand the low danger surface relative to high danger scoring areas. If you are going to be successful in any game, you have to get chances in the scoring 'triangle', which is the same for both ice surfaces.

You might see a temporary increase in scoring as the ice surface draws players out to the boards due to habits, but pretty quickly coaching would adjust and you would see teams let guys skate themselves tired on the outskirts of the ice and just protect the inside of the ice.

This would end up hurting a team like the Jets, particularily Wheeler's and Lowry's lines, as they use boardwork and cycling to generate breakdowns and scoring chances.

 

[kanadalainen]

All bigger ice really does is expand the low danger surface relative to high danger scoring areas. If you are going to be successful in any game, you have to get chances in the scoring 'triangle', which is the same for both ice surfaces.

You might see a temporary increase in scoring as the ice surface draws players out to the boards due to habits, but pretty quickly coaching would adjust and you would see teams let guys skate themselves tired on the outskirts of the ice and just protect the inside of the ice.

This would end up hurting a team like the Jets, particularily Wheeler's and Lowry's lines, as they use boardwork and cycling to generate breakdowns and scoring chances.

Perhaps. But this assertion is but limited to sampling the only platform we are allowed to run the experiment. If there is no true comparative experiment, there is no data to support the supposition, yes? If there is no data, then any statement becomes a hypothesis.

It would be actually fun to see how Wheeler and Ehlers and Rosie might fair given the chance to adapt to less shortwall. Undeniably, this (eg, the European game on the large surface) is a different game from that which we watch daily in the NHL.

EDIT: There is a bit of data from various international tournaments, the Olympics, etc, etc. I would be interested to see an objective breakdown of performance of NHLers on the large surface.

Again, my observation is that I don't bet against the Jets on a 4 on 4 or a 3 on 3. Why they are more effective is always up for debate, but the argument that they have more ice is compelling. At least to me.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

It's been proven that bigger rinks decrease scoring.

I'd rather closer quarters so that the supremely talented can showcase that. Seeing Connor's hands, Ehlers wheeling, so much more impressive on the NHL sized ice.

I really liked Roslovic last night and Appleton and Harkins impressed as well.

The thinking was (years ago) that bigger ice would put more of a premium on skill/skating. Not sure if that is true or not, but it does slow the pace of the game. Players have more space, therefore more time.

That doesn't mean that NHL has the optimum size though. If bigger ice = less scoring, then maybe we should go to smaller ice and get more. No?

I think a wider rink would lead to more play at bad shooting angles. A longer ice surface of the same width, with the added space inside the blue lines might keep the puck in the scoring zones more, more goals. And more skating room.

I think it would take some trial and error to figure out the best possible configuration. Changes don't always produce the expected result. I think everyone thought that 3 on 3 would be wide open and the goals would come fast. It didn't take too long for everyone to figure out that possession was the key though. Now they use that space to hang on to the puck and try to set up the one great scoring chance.

 

[Jet]

The thinking was (years ago) that bigger ice would put more of a premium on skill/skating. Not sure if that is true or not, but it does slow the pace of the game. Players have more space, therefore more time.

That doesn't mean that NHL has the optimum size though. If bigger ice = less scoring, then maybe we should go to smaller ice and get more. No?

I think a wider rink would lead to more play at bad shooting angles. A longer ice surface of the same width, with the added space inside the blue lines might keep the puck in the scoring zones more, more goals. And more skating room.

I think it would take some trial and error to figure out the best possible configuration. Changes don't always produce the expected result. I think everyone thought that 3 on 3 would be wide open and the goals would come fast. It didn't take too long for everyone to figure out that possession was the key though. Now they use that space to hang on to the puck and try to set up the one great scoring chance.

Two things that would increase scoring:

• Eliminate a player on each team (NHLPA would NEVER agree to this)
• Make the nets bigger. Even an extra inch of height and 2 inches of width would make a big difference, and wouldn't compromise the game. In my mind, goalies have gotten bigger year after year and their equipment has gotten bigger and better, but we haven't addressed this in net size to compensate.

Of course, if the NHL would just call penalties properly and consistently, we'd see more scoring too.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

The Jets played really well last night..have to hand it to them..Connor is a special player

 

[LowLefty]

Two things that would increase scoring:

• Eliminate a player on each team (NHLPA would NEVER agree to this)
• Make the nets bigger. Even an extra inch of height and 2 inches of width would make a big difference, and wouldn't compromise the game. In my mind, goalies have gotten bigger year after year and their equipment has gotten bigger and better, but we haven't addressed this in net size to compensate.

Of course, if the NHL would just call penalties properly and consistently, we'd see more scoring too.

I'd add that shooters have improved as well - along with sticks which would offset the bigger goaltender / equipment.
I see a lot of goals where the tender isn't even moving - the pucks are off the stick so quick in today's game - they don't have time to move or they can't move quick enough (some of that comes from bulky gear they are wearing).
So, the improved shooting is countered by the bigger goalies - if you make the net any bigger, they won't have a chance.
Just another way of looking at it.

 

[LowLefty]

The Jets played really well last night..have to hand it to them..Connor is a special player

I agree - he is a special player.
He also has a few holes in his game and that gets called out - but he has O skills that you can't teach and that comes with, as you pointed out, being a special player.
It will be very interesting to see what he looks like in 2 or 3 years - I'm very happy he is signed long term.

 

[VictoriaJetsFan]

I agree - he is a special player.
He also has a few holes in his game and that gets called out - but he has O skills that you can't teach and that comes with, as you pointed out, being a special player.
It will be very interesting to see what he looks like in 2 or 3 years - I'm very happy he is signed long term.

Agreed. Although I still think the Jets can't keep paying so much to wingers...still very open to shopping Laine to fill other holes.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Such a physical game by the Jets in Denver. I think they threw as many hits as they have ever done in regular time. Sbisa and Potato were both in a bad mood, Potato made Mashies out of some poor Avalanche forward midway through the game. Shades of Buff on that beat down play.

I didn’t get to watch the game but it’s nice to hear this. I think the Jets always ply their best when they play physical. It seems to get them motivated and more into the game.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Are you not happy ? Jets winning always makes me happy .

Well, yes. But each win pulls us further away from Byfield

I suppose I was just channeling my inner Eeyore.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Two things that would increase scoring:

• Eliminate a player on each team (NHLPA would NEVER agree to this)
• Make the nets bigger. Even an extra inch of height and 2 inches of width would make a big difference, and wouldn't compromise the game. In my mind, goalies have gotten bigger year after year and their equipment has gotten bigger and better, but we haven't addressed this in net size to compensate.

Of course, if the NHL would just call penalties properly and consistently, we'd see more scoring too.

I've long been of the opinion that goalie play has too large an influence on the outcome of hockey games. One team can be substantially better than the other in overall play, by whatever measures you like, other than the actual score. But a relatively small difference between the 2 goalies can be what determines the outcome - all too often. The ever larger goalies with ever larger equipment is only making this worse.

I'm not looking at this issue from a hockey fan perspective. I'm trying to step back and look at it from the POV of someone who has never watched a hockey game. Get that person, who has never seen any of the games, to study hockey vs soccer, football, basketball and whatever other games you like and evaluate the games themselves. I think they would like hockey for its speed, skill required, etc, but conclude that the goalies influence is excessive.

Coming at it from that perspective, I think you could justify making the nets much bigger, like 2 feet wider and 6 inches higher. The argument against that would obviously be that it would change the game too much. There is value in the history and traditions. But the huge goalies with massive pads are already doing that.

That said, your modest proposal for enlarging the nets seems like a no-brainer to me.

 

[Gil Fisher]

You are right - for most teams.

However our Jets would likely excel with a huge ice surface, just the way they seem to with the modicum of "extra ice" seen in a 4 on 4, and in OT with 3 on 3. Giving this particular team some extra ice surface would help many of our players utilize their talents, and even accentuate them (Ehlers, Rosie, Laine, Pionk come to mind).

My point is that a larger ice surface may select for certain abilities, and I guess that we have players who would benefit under those conditions.

I hadn't seen a back end that loose since 10 minutes after my second coffee yesterday morning.

 

[Jet]

I've long been of the opinion that goalie play has too large an influence on the outcome of hockey games. One team can be substantially better than the other in overall play, by whatever measures you like, other than the actual score. But a relatively small difference between the 2 goalies can be what determines the outcome - all too often. The ever larger goalies with ever larger equipment is only making this worse.

I'm not looking at this issue from a hockey fan perspective. I'm trying to step back and look at it from the POV of someone who has never watched a hockey game. Get that person, who has never seen any of the games, to study hockey vs soccer, football, basketball and whatever other games you like and evaluate the games themselves. I think they would like hockey for its speed, skill required, etc, but conclude that the goalies influence is excessive.

Coming at it from that perspective, I think you could justify making the nets much bigger, like 2 feet wider and 6 inches higher. The argument against that would obviously be that it would change the game too much. There is value in the history and traditions. But the huge goalies with massive pads are already doing that.

That said, your modest proposal for enlarging the nets seems like a no-brainer to me.

I get what you're saying about goalies, but football and baseball have similar players that have massive impact on game result.

One of the biggest annoyances for me is when someone says the only reason a team is winning is the goalie. The goalie is a player on the ice, just like any other. They do have the lions share of impact in a game, but it's the same for all teams. Some teams are successful on the backs of their D, limiting high danger chances and relying on minimal scoring.

The Jets give up more chances due to their investment being in goaltending and forwards, but they outscore their opponents to win (obviously any winning team does).

For me, personally, I prefer the Jets makeup to as opposed to a team that plays stifling defense and relies on timely, opportunistic scoring. It's more entertaining.

Making the nets bigger wouldn't prevent goalies from being great or having the same impact on games, it would just increase the times where they have no chance to make a save.

I'll stop there because my post was meandering too much .

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Recall Kyle Connor exploding offensively at Michigan when not named to the American U20 team. When he didn't stick with the Jets his Moose numbers were very good. Now he wasn't named to the All-Star team and proceeds to score three goals. I'm not the best judge of human nature, but is there something to this?

The bolded is for Dennis Beyak, in case we all don't know which Connor who scores goals for the Jets I'm talking about.

Correlation does not necessarily equal causation - but it might.

I think Connor exploded before Hockey USA failed to name him to the U20 team. That's what made it so strange at the time.

When he didn't stick with the Jets, he hadn't been putting in the effort. He needed that kick in the pants. He immediately turned it on with the Moose and got recalled quickly due to an injury. He really hasn't looked back since. Credit him for retaining that lesson instead of putting out for a while and then slacking off again.

I think he had been building toward the hatty for a while. He started a bit slowly after missing TC, but has been getting better and better since. He looks like hitting some milestones this year, like 40 G, ppg.