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struckbyaparkedcar said:
The signal for “yup, they know what they’re doing” is trading Risto for anything, even if the on-paper return sucks, so that he can’t spend another season as a high usage defensive player and tank the season before it starts.
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Assuming thats what he meant. I'd say thats a pretty silly and melodramatic framing.

EDIT: “Pretty simple” isn’t the right phrasing. “Overly simplistic“ fits better.
 
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Deevo said:
Soooo... we aren't going to have a distinction between director of pro scouting & director of amateur scouting? Great...
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Like I wrote above, pro scouting is going to be subsumed by analytics/video coaching.

Amateur scouting will take direction from analytics as stats will drive video review, which will drive live views.
 
joshjull said:
Assuming thats what he meant. I'd say thats a pretty silly and melodramatic framing.

EDIT: “Pretty simple” isn’t the right phrasing. “Overly simplistic“ fits better.
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You are terribly terribly wrong on this. But thanks for saying I’m silly and melodramatic. Never change “moderator”
 
Zman5778 said:
As far as the news goes -- I'm of two minds here. I really like that an analytics guy is going to have a bigger voice it seems.

Of course then, we did promote one of our pro scouts. And we all know how good our pro scouting has been.........
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I'm really hoping they were promoted because they were dissenting voices of what happened and not the minds behind it.

As happy as I am at the likely increased value of analytics, you can have bad analytics so we're not really "in the clear" until we start seeing the types of moves they're making.


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Also can we get Nightingale on the Instigators or something. For the push of analytics, the question marks of how Buffalo has used them, and now this promotion, it would be nice to hear from him
 
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truthbluth said:
You are terribly terribly wrong on this. But thanks for saying I’m silly and melodramatic. Never change “moderator”
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Making it only about what they do with Risto is simplistic. Whether he gets traded or not will hinge on things beyond whether they've committed to analytics. Not the least of which is what the economic landscape of the league will look like beyond this season. If the league has to freeze the upper limit for a couple of seasons as has been talked about or even lowers it. How many teams will be lining up to acquire Risto and that contract? Even with a cheap price. The very reasons you, I, @struckbyaparkedcar and many others would like to move on from him are the very reasons we may end up stuck with him in that economic climate.

So yes I think its too simplistic to make measuring their commitment to analytics all about whether they trade Risto. As for melodramatic, you don't think its a bit overly dramatic to frame their commitment to analytics entirely about what they do with Risto?

Feel free to rebut this and tell me why I'm terribly wrong.

Thank you,
"former moderator" :D
 
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I will be very furious if they save Risto and he will play more than Dahlin.
 
BloFan4Life said:
Jeremiah Crowe promoted to director of scouting.

Crowe is a local guy from Kenmore.

"Jeremiah is an experienced evaluator and recruiter," said Scott Monaghan, senior director of hockey operations for the NTDP. "We look forward to his efforts in continuing to build the U.S. talent pool."

Crowe spent the 2015-16 season as assistant director of player personnel for the NTDP, where his main responsibilities included identification, evaluation and recruitment of potential players. In his new role, he will be responsible for the scouting, planning and implementation of the NTDP Tryout Camp used to determine rosters for upcoming NTDP teams.

Prior to the NTDP, Crowe was a coach at the Academy of Hockey at HARBORCENTER in Buffalo. There, he helped implement training and development curriculums for all positions and skill levels, as well as lead coaching education programs to accelerate youth player development.

Crowe, who previously scouted for the United States Hockey League's Dubuque Fighting Saints, spent three seasons (2011-14) as an assistant coach for the Buffalo State College men's ice hockey program. He also completed a professional scouting internship with the National Hockey League's Buffalo Sabres in 2008.

Jeremiah Crowe Named NTDP Director of Player Personnel - Clarkson University Athletics

"One of the most important factors at the NTDP is that we don't make mistakes and we have a class that's well-rounded that pushes from the bottom to the middle, and from the middle to the top," said John Wroblewski, who coached the 2001 birth-year players at the NTDP. "Jeremiah Crowe [then player personnel director and now a pro scout with the Buffalo Sabres] did a fantastic job putting this team together."
Wroblewski noted that the most skilled players would be challenged by the ones who were more defensively sound, and vice versa. And the team also includes two exceptional goalies.

Welcome to a golden age of American hockey talent

Jason Nightingale, director of analytics, will add the title of assistant director of scouting.



Background on Nightingdale:

He played forward for Lake Superior State University from 1998 to 2002. The mechanical engineering graduate moved on to Notre Dame and earned a master’s of science in aerospace and mechanical engineering in 2007. Then he really got serious with his schoolwork, completing a joint doctorate in engineering and mathematics last year while serving as a volunteer assistant with the Fighting Irish.

“I have a programming background, so the numbers side I’ll write my programs to analyze things, and then I like to go back to watch to see if the two align.”

Sabres looking for an edge through analytics
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This is all about efficiency and getting the most bang for the buck. They're adopting the Hurricane's model.
Rick Dudley's hybrid scouting model in Carolina could be option for Sabres
 
Well, what Sanderson, why did we get Bryson, Samuelsson, Johnson then, while our pool of attacking prospects is terrible. I will be furious if they choose Sanderson. :mad:
 
joshjull said:
Making it only about what they do with Risto is simplistic. Whether he gets traded or not will hinge on things beyond whether they've committed to analytics. Not the least of which is what the economic landscape of the league will look like beyond this season. If the league has to freeze the upper limit for a couple of seasons as has been talked about or even lowers it. How many teams will be lining up to acquire Risto and that contract? Even with a cheap price. The very reasons you, I, @struckbyaparkedcar and many others would like to move on from him are the very reasons we may end up stuck with him in that economic climate.

So yes I think its too simplistic to make measuring their commitment to analytics all about whether they trade Risto. As for melodramatic, you don't think its a bit overly dramatic to frame their commitment to analytics entirely about what they do with Risto?

Feel free to rebut this and tell me why I'm terribly wrong.

Thank you,
"former moderator" :D
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There isn’t a single person on the planet serious about hockey analytics that doesn’t think the Sabres are better off without Risto. If the Sabres don’t come to that conclusion, they aren’t serious about analytics. It’s not melodrama, it’s logic.
 
truthbluth said:
There isn’t a single person on the planet serious about hockey analytics that doesn’t think the Sabres are better off without Risto. If the Sabres don’t come to that conclusion, they aren’t serious about analytics. It’s not melodrama, it’s logic.
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Publicly available 'advanced' stats are hardly the be-all end-all. I'd wager pretty much every NHL team has superior/more data than any of those sites do.
 
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I would easily trade Risto, if the conditional Borgen or Dillon (UFA) could replace his physical game, it would not be very good to become an even softer team.
 
tsujimoto74 said:
Publicly available 'advanced' stats are hardly the be-all end-all. I'd wager pretty much every NHL team has superior/more data than any of those sites do.
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Lol, Evolving-Wild is 2 people (not to mention a huge community of stat trackers), which is 100% more humans than the Sabres have ever else devoted to stats, but sure, they have better data’s that show Risto gets 400 smooshes per 60 minutes so he’s good.
 
As far as I know the only options are manually tracking (time consuming), data scraping (limited), and video tracking (don't know how advanced/accurate/useful it is now)

Not to keep beating a dead horse but idk why no one ever asks about this. Not expecting them to reveal all their secrets but none of the media even makes an attempt to get even basic info
 
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jc17 said:
As far as I know the only options are manually tracking (time consuming), data scraping (limited), and video tracking (don't know how advanced/accurate/useful it is now)

Not to keep beating a dead horse but idk why no one ever asks about this. Not expecting them to reveal all their secrets but none of the media even makes an attempt to get even basic info
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Next level player tracking will slow to actually measure gap control and all the little things eye test are supposed to have that make D “good”.
 
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