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HOOats said:
We'll see of course, but it sounded like the opposite to me. Between how high he clearly is on Savoie and his current form, and repeatedly stating that he expects the team to be even younger next year, I'd guess he's here next year short of a true flop of a camp.

Plus there is a scenario where him signing his second deal a year earlier, perhaps before he really explodes statistically, is more team-friendly than not.
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Just removing Craig and Kyle makes the team much younger.
 
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I don't really care to summarize Adams because he hasn't gotten the job done yet. Its tough to gauge Adams because if they miss the playoffs next year he could be out of a job. I think this offseason is going to be very big. Basically get the job done or move onto the next guy.
 
DatDude44 said:
Would u guys be against a Jokiharhju + Ostlund or #13 for Parayko type of deal? Maybe blues add a lower pick or spec as well

He's a much better player (both eye test and analytically) then alot of "fans" give him credit for, gets the absolute toughest minutes, matchups, zone starts and is rather successful within them(despite the team being atrociously bad this year)

I know the length of his contract isn't ideal, but he's exactly what u guys need as a shutdown PK Defensive D(can play with power or dahlin), veteran with a cup resume as well.

6.5M really isn't too bad for a guy like this, the term is really the issue. But I see it as the first 4 years is a top 4 shutdown PK D, and the last 4 he's probably closer to a 3rd pair limited pk role similiar to guys like Chara and Braun at the end of their careers. Then in his last year or two a trade or buyout becomes easier and more theisable.(If it ever even gets to that point)

Obviously I don't know him directly, but parayko seems like the type of personality that would fit perfectly well into the sabres room.

Given your guys incredible contracts, I don't think the back end of paraykos is nearly as worrisome as it would be in other cases and who knows, the guy is an absolute mutant physically, maybe he's still good in to his age 35 season etc...
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I think it’s a tough one. I also think Parayko has a lot to give, and could actually be a perfect partner for Power for a long time. But there’s some risk. And Ostlund or the #13 are big assets for the Sabres. I think the value is close, but the price might be too much.

I don’t hate it though, that’s for sure
 
TheMistyStranger said:
Perhaps it's just my perception, but when I listen to Adams speak, he never comes off as thinking that he's the smartest guy in the room. He frequently talks about his team and the staff and getting feedback and input from everyone about their areas of expertise. It's kind of refreshing.
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What makes a lot of leaders great is knowing there are smarter people for different things, and deferring to them. Adams has always struck me as having that trait
 
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DatDude44 said:
Would u guys be against a Jokiharhju + Ostlund or #13 for Parayko type of deal? Maybe blues add a lower pick or spec as well

He's a much better player (both eye test and analytically) then alot of "fans" give him credit for, gets the absolute toughest minutes, matchups, zone starts and is rather successful within them(despite the team being atrociously bad this year)

I know the length of his contract isn't ideal, but he's exactly what u guys need as a shutdown PK Defensive D(can play with power or dahlin), veteran with a cup resume as well.

6.5M really isn't too bad for a guy like this, the term is really the issue. But I see it as the first 4 years is a top 4 shutdown PK D, and the last 4 he's probably closer to a 3rd pair limited pk role similiar to guys like Chara and Braun at the end of their careers. Then in his last year or two a trade or buyout becomes easier and more theisable.(If it ever even gets to that point)

Obviously I don't know him directly, but parayko seems like the type of personality that would fit perfectly well into the sabres room.

Given your guys incredible contracts, I don't think the back end of paraykos is nearly as worrisome as it would be in other cases and who knows, the guy is an absolute mutant physically, maybe he's still good in to his age 35 season etc...
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I'm very high on Ostlund and would much rather trade 13 than him. Joker + 13 for CP + 4th-ish + some salary retention though? That could get my attention.
 
toddkaz said:
I don't really care to summarize Adams because he hasn't gotten the job done yet. Its tough to gauge Adams because if they miss the playoffs next year he could be out of a job. I think this offseason is going to be very big. Basically get the job done or move onto the next guy.
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Heavy disagree.

We missed by a point and have a number of young guys now with an additional year of experience, and potentially an upgrade in net. We should make it even if we do nothing.

Right now, in terms of everything: culture, on ice, analytics, development, drafting, medical, etc the only thing most people who are critical think he lacks is urgency or splashy moves ( which many of the critics think is ownership mandated anyway).

So we want to take our chances on a mystery GM with the hope of additional agression in building the roster? Looking around the league ,past and present, like 75% of fans think their GM is stupid, why do we want that?
 
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jc17 said:
Heavy disagree.

We missed by a point and have a number of young guys now with an additional year of experience, and potentially an upgrade in net. We should make it even if we do nothing.

Right now, in terms of everything: culture, on ice, analytics, development, drafting, medical, etc the only thing most people who are critical think he lacks is urgency or splashy moves ( which many of the critics think is ownership mandated anyway).

So we want to take our chances on a mystery GM with the hope of additional agression in building the roster? Looking around the league ,past and present, like 75% of fans think their GM is stupid, why do we want that?
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They need to let a GM follow through for once. replacing them every 3 seasons and having a new one come in and immediately start to retool hasn't been working. It takes time to build a winner, as we have seen from a number of teams during the past 15 years.
 
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jc17 said:
Heavy disagree.

We missed by a point and have a number of young guys now with an additional year of experience, and potentially an upgrade in net. We should make it even if we do nothing.

Right now, in terms of everything: culture, on ice, analytics, development, drafting, medical, etc the only thing most people who are critical think he lacks is urgency or splashy moves ( which many of the critics think is ownership mandated anyway).

So we want to take our chances on a mystery GM with the hope of additional agression in building the roster? Looking around the league ,past and present, like 75% of fans think their GM is stupid, why do we want that?
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Next year we could miss by 10 points. Missing the playoffs by 2 points is still missing the playoffs. Its not an excuse to keep your job.

Get the job done or get out. My point stands. Also my post never said anything about firing Adams this year I am talking about missing the playoffs next year. I am sure Granato will get the axe if the team doesn't perform next year.

WhereAreTheCookies said:
They need to let a GM follow through for once. replacing them every 3 seasons and having a new one come in and immediately start to retool hasn't been working. It takes time to build a winner, as we have seen from a number of teams during the past 15 years.
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How many GMs keep their job missing the playoffs 4 years in a row? My guess is none. I never said fire him now but the hot seat is coming if we miss the playoffs again, if we do make the playoffs then he is safe.

You think if we miss the playoffs again he should get a 5th year? Maybe a 6th too?
 
toddkaz said:
Next year we could miss by 10 points. Missing the playoffs by 2 points is still missing the playoffs. Its not an excuse to keep your job.

Get the job done or get out. My point stands. Also my post never said anything about firing Adams this year I am talking about missing the playoffs next year. I am sure Granato will get the axe if the team doesn't perform next year.


How many GMs keep their job missing the playoffs 4 years in a row? My guess is none. I never said fire him now but the hot seat is coming if we miss the playoffs again, if we do make the playoffs then he is safe.

You think if we miss the playoffs again he should get a 5th year? Maybe a 6th too?
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A GM gets fired when they can't perform the duties of the job. It shouldn't be a punishment.

If we don't make the playoffs next year, the specific reasons will be important. Is it injuries, is it poor goaltending, is it a regression in offensive output?

Let's pretend goaltending is a main factor. Levi isn't ready, and comrie/UPL don't get the job done. Hey, that's adam's job and he failed to make us better there. But what do we accomplish in firing him? Are we mad and punishing him, or is firing him going to make the team better? The circumstances will have changed. Comrie will be a UFA, we'll have seen another year of UPL to know what he's got, and Levi will be under contract unlike last offseason.

What does the next GM do that Adams can't? Sign this year's Husso just to have another sub .900 goalie? Trade for Kane, Chychrun, tarasenko, Jeannot, none of whom are playing right now.

Adams needs to go if he starts doing dumb things, sins of omission included. But to this point he has not.
 
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toddkaz said:
How many GMs keep their job missing the playoffs 4 years in a row? My guess is none. I never said fire him now but the hot seat is coming if we miss the playoffs again, if we do make the playoffs then he is safe.

You think if we miss the playoffs again he should get a 5th year? Maybe a 6th too?
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How many seasons has Yzerman had in Detroit so far? Do you believe he should be fired?
 
jc17 said:
Heavy disagree.

We missed by a point and have a number of young guys now with an additional year of experience, and potentially an upgrade in net. We should make it even if we do nothing.

Right now, in terms of everything: culture, on ice, analytics, development, drafting, medical, etc the only thing most people who are critical think he lacks is urgency or splashy moves ( which many of the critics think is ownership mandated anyway).

So we want to take our chances on a mystery GM with the hope of additional agression in building the roster? Looking around the league ,past and present, like 75% of fans think their GM is stupid, why do we want that?
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Agreed, Kevyn Adams is arguably a top 5 GM in the league cleaning up the mess he inherited. He's completely changed the culture, drafted fantastically, signed fantastic contracts to core pieces and has made very nice trades since taking over. The only moves that didn't work out (Taylor Hall, maybe staal but his leadership was important) they were able to salvage assets for and gave up nothing to acquire those pieces so,, it ended up being a net positive anyway.
 
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WhereAreTheCookies said:
How many seasons has Yzerman had in Detroit so far? Do you believe he should be fired?
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Am I ignoring the part where he was one of the greatest Detroit players of all time and won the cup in Tampa while Adams has done jack shit or do I include that? Also do I include their coach getting fired last year as I said in my post Granato will probably get the axe next year if they miss the playoffs?

If Detroit regresses I bet we hear rumblings. If Buffalo misses the playoffs Granato will be gone and Adams might get another year but how long can you kick the can down the road if its not working.
 
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Kind of wild that he's been on the job for three years and is now 20th in tenure among all NHL GMs. Three positions are currently either vacant or interim, 9 others have been hired since Adams with a 10th this summer being Trotz. However, Trotz will still have Poile just as MacFarland still has Sakic, Hughes has Gorton as POHO's with management experience. Weird to think that Adams is in the middle third of tenured spots now.
 
DatDude44 said:
Agreed, Kevyn Adams is arguably a top 5 GM in the league cleaning up the mess he inherited. He's completely changed the culture, drafted fantastically, signed fantastic contracts to core pieces and has made very nice trades since taking over. The only moves that didn't work out (Taylor Hall, maybe staal but his leadership was important) they were able to salvage assets for and gave up nothing to acquire those pieces so,, it ended up being a net positive anyway.
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Drafted fantastically except for that gaping hole of 3-6 on defense with a thin pipeline on defense and drafts Poltapov, Kisakov and Leinonen. I like most of his drafting but no way its been fantistic when he is drafting 3rd and 4th round players in the 2nd round leaving a gaping hole for defensive prospects. Also he bungled the Johnson signing if all he had to do was give him a game to burn a year. Leinonen in the 2nd round is still a head scratcher.

I am reserving judgement until after the offseason if he plugs holes like he did in the past with guys like Lazar, Hagg, Butcher, Subban, Comrie, Clague, Sheahan, Hinostroza, Dell, Pysyk retread, Caggiula, Bjork, Staal, Tokarski or is he actually going to get this team the defensive help they need.
 
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Gras said:
Just removing Craig and Kyle makes the team much younger.
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Just for fun I did the math...

The average age of the team with Okie (35) and Andy (41) was 25.6. If you just removed them or replaced them with average aged players, and factor in that everyone left on the team would be a year older, the average would be 24.8.

If you replace them with Levi and Savoie, the average would be 24.3.

There will, of course, be other changes to the roster that we can't predict, but this confirms that there's a very real chance we'll be younger.
 
I'm confused as to who were all these 3rd and 4th round prospects he picked in the 2nd? It certainly wasn't Peterka, Poltapov or Kisakov who were the only 2nd picks until last year when he picked Leinonen who was the top rated G prospect in the draft. It's a shame development isn't linear but he's still young and can rebound.

You can complain that grabbing a defenseman or two earlier would have been better for the prospect pool, but it's kind of hard to complain about last year's 1st rounders and how they panned our. His late round D picks are looking promising even if they only top out as bottom pairing.

Draft success is based on number of prospects making the NHL with more than 1 or 2 a draft class considered very successful. So far his first class has Quinn and Peterka performing great as rookies. His second class right now is only Power as typically it takes several years for any to make the NHL. So as of this moment, he's had several fantastic drafts
 
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toddkaz said:
Drafted fantastically except for that gaping hole of 3-6 on defense with a thin pipeline on defense and drafts Poltapov, Kisakov and Leinonen. I like most of his drafting but no way its been fantistic when he is drafting 3rd and 4th round players in the 2nd round leaving a gaping hole for defensive prospects. Also he bungled the Johnson signing if all he had to do was give him a game to burn a year. Leinonen in the 2nd round is still a head scratcher.

I am reserving judgement until after the offseason if he plugs holes like he did in the past with guys like Lazar, Hagg, Butcher, Subban, Comrie, Clague, Sheahan, Hinostroza, Dell, Pysyk retread, Caggiula, Bjork, Staal, Tokarski or is he actually going to get this team the defensive help they need.
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Poltapov is the only one I didn’t like. I’m a fan of Kisakov upside. The goalie I’m not qualified to comment on.

But Quinn, peterka, Savoie, Ostlund and kulich were great picks imo. Rosen I think was a solid pick as well. And guys like Novikov, Komarov, Jake Richard, Kozak and Neuchev have some interesting potential
 
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toddkaz said:
Am I ignoring the part where he was one of the greatest Detroit players of all time and won the cup in Tampa while Adams has done jack shit or do I include that? Also do I include their coach getting fired last year as I said in my post Granato will probably get the axe next year if they miss the playoffs?

If Detroit regresses I bet we hear rumblings. If Buffalo misses the playoffs Granato will be gone and Adams might get another year but how long can you kick the can down the road if its not working.
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Adams' cup doesnt count?
 
Adams and co. drafting has been outstanding since he took over. It remains to be seen how all the players pan out in the long term but almost every draft choice seems to look better as the years go on. While I do agree he could have certainly drafted more defensemen, he has pretty much given us an incredible outlook at forward. Just hope a there’s a few stars there.

The only pick that made me scratch my head was Leionen, given the great d prospects that were available. Rationale was probably knowing Portillo was gone, there is a need for quality goalie prospects behind Levi.

As for Poltapov, I am a huge fan of his game. I think he possesses physical traits that we lack in the majority of our forward prospects. He has great skill too. I think he could be a potential fan favorite if/when he makes It over to NA. We desperately need players like him.
 
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Gras said:
Adams' cup doesnt count?
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Adams is a rookie GM who hasn't won a cup as a GM like Yzerman. Bringing up Yzerman is more like Lafontaine situation and we ran our 90s superstar out of town in about 5 minutes.

I am more positive for Adams than negative but after 12 years of patching holes and clown show moves I am waiting for the playoffs before I give an atta boy. We missed by 2 points this year. Its playoffs or bust next year.

Is Adams gonna bring in tweeners and borderline NHLers again or is he going to take the next step? I will wait to see and will praise him and be extremely happy if we make the playoffs. I am a show me results guy.
 
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