Kevyn Adams GM thread

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Sorry I don't buy that excuse.

"What good goalie is available?"

All of them for the right price.

What a cop out answer lol. So we could've traded for Shesterkin last summer? Dang.

What good goalies were actually available?

I do remember the goalies available that people wanted the most were Jack Campbell & Ville Husso who have been either horrendous or below average on most nights.

 

[toddkaz]

What a cop out answer lol. So we could've traded for Shesterkin last summer? Dang.

What good goalies were actually available?

I do remember the goalies available that people wanted the most were Jack Campbell & Ville Husso who have been either horrendous or below average on most nights.

Its a cop out answer?

You aren't in the room to know what goalies are available and neither am I so its a question that can't be answered. Its a ridiculous question to even ask.

So again, AL:L OF THEM for the right price.

Getting a top 4 defender this year would change the outcome of the games.

Its ok to say something bad about Adams, its ok.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

What good goalie was available?

Adding a defenceman isn't changing us getting blown out by Boston/Dallas.

Vejemelka and Reimer.

 

[toddkaz]

Vejemelka and Reimer.

Demko and his .950 save percentage since returning from injury.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Its a cop out answer?

You aren't in the room to know what goalies are available and neither am I so its a question that can't be answered. Its a ridiculous question to even ask.

So again, AL:L OF THEM for the right price.

Yea it's a cop out answer to say

We should've gotten a good goalie, but I'm not gonna name any.

I mean we can see what goalies are clearly available in FA. We can see goalies that were actually traded.

Or we can be ridiculous and act like Shesterkin is available.

 

[TehDoak]

What a cop out answer lol. So we could've traded for Shesterkin last summer? Dang.

What good goalies were actually available?

I do remember the goalies available that people wanted the most were Jack Campbell & Ville Husso who have been either horrendous or below average on most nights.

The problem is....we've needed to add a goalie every year Adams has been GM. We needed to upgrade on Hutton the year started, we did nothing. We needed to replace Ullmark and add a backup goalie....we signed Anderson and used Tokarski as a backup goalie. We needed two goalies last summer, we brought back Anderson and signed a career backup in Comrie to split starter duties.

So you can't just look at one offseason and say "well who did you want him to get"

You've got to go through EVERY offseason he's be a GM and see this was never addressed.

It'd be one thing to TRY to fix it and fail like the Red Wings did with Neldejovic (Sp) and miss is more forgivable than to simply not do anything and just wait for whatever goalie scraps are out there and hope for the best is inexcusable.

 

[Jim Bob]

What a cop out answer lol. So we could've traded for Shesterkin last summer? Dang.

What good goalies were actually available?

I do remember the goalies available that people wanted the most were Jack Campbell & Ville Husso who have been either horrendous or below average on most nights.

2 of the top 10 goalies in GAA Better Than Expected with 30 GP+ moved this past off season.

Samsonov signed a Comrie-esque 1 yr $1.8M deal after not being tendered by the Caps.

Georgiev moved for 2 3rds and a 5th.

You also have Korpisalo at 11 that did get moved at the deadline and might have been available in the off season.

Campbell has been really bad in Edmonton and the Sabres certainly dodged a bullet there. But, there were goalies that moved this off season that are having much better seasons than Comrie and did not come at huge acquisition costs. Heck, Adams could theoretically have thrown the Caps a 5th or 6th for Samsonov's RFA rights and maybe been in a much better spot.

I was skeptical about Samsonov and Georgiev. So, I won't say they were no brainer adds over Comrie. But, I do think that Adams and company need to reflect on why they got such an important move wrong so that they can improve the position for next season.

 

[toddkaz]

Yea it's a cop out answer to say

We should've gotten a good goalie, but I'm not gonna name any.

I mean we can see what goalies are clearly available in FA. We can see goalies that were actually traded.

Or we can be ridiculous and act like Shesterkin is available.

Dude I had the conversation 100 times with people who want to protect a GM

You - What goalie could they have
me- Goalie X
You - Too Expensive
Me - Goalie A
You-He sucks
Me Goalie B
You - He wasn't available.

I know how this conversation goes.

You ain't in the room bud so you don't know.

2 years from now what Adams is fired you think he will say but but but but but no goalie was available its not fair!

Cause thats what you are saying.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

I'm sorry but adding a better goalie or a top 4 Dman isn't changing what has happened the past few games. The entire team fell apart last night. They were also outplayed by the Islanders in most of that game. They don't play a style of game that is going to result in 2-1 wins. Comrie was bad last night, but the team in front of him was even worse.

There is and has been a lack of defensive structure all season. It's been my biggest gripe and one for many others here. Granato has talked about adding more defensive structure, but so far we've seen nothing done to address it. I'm not saying Comrie should still be on the team next season, but replacing him the way the team is playing right now is putting a band-aid on a broken leg.

 

[toddkaz]

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2 of the top 10 goalies in GAA Better Than Expected with 30 GP+ moved this past off season.

Samsonov signed a Comrie-esque 1 yr $1.8M deal after not being tendered by the Caps.

Georgiev moved for 2 3rds and a 5th.

You also have Korpisalo at 11 that did get moved at the deadline and might have been available in the off season.

Campbell has been really bad in Edmonton and the Sabres certainly dodged a bullet there. But, there were goalies that moved this off season that are having much better seasons than Comrie and did not come at huge acquisition costs. Heck, Adams could theoretically have thrown the Caps a 5th or 6th for Samsonov's RFA rights and maybe been in a much better spot.

I was skeptical about Samsonov and Georgiev. So, I won't say they were no brainer adds over Comrie. But, I do think that Adams and company need to reflect on why they got such an important move wrong so that they can improve the position for next season.

I mean facts, people who are in love with Adams wont want to hear it though.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Vejemelka and Reimer.

I'm talking legit good goalies available.

Reimer has a .895 save %

Vejemelka who has been decent this year, but isn't what I'd call a good goalie. I'm not really sure if he's available.

 

[toddkaz]

I'm sorry but adding a better goalie or a top 4 Dman isn't changing what has happened the past few games. The entire team fell apart last night. They were also outplayed by the Islanders in most of that game. They don't play a style of game that is going to result in 2-1 wins. Comrie was bad last night, but the team in front of him was even worse.

There is and has been a lack of defensive structure all season. It's been my biggest gripe and one for many others here. Granato has talked about adding more defensive structure, but so far we've seen nothing done to address it. I'm not saying Comrie should still be on the team next season, but replacing him the way the team is playing right now is putting a band-aid on a broken leg.

Thats a ludicrous answer. Getting a starting goalie at the beginning of the year or a top 4 dman changes the entire dynamic of the team and pushes Bryson and Clague out of the lineup.

Making a statement like getting a good player changes nothing is like you never watched a travel back in time to change the future movie

I'm talking legit good goalies available.

Reimer has a .895 save %

Vejemelka who has been decent this year, but isn't what I'd call a good goalie. I'm not really sure if he's available.

Here comes the protect Adams at any cost answer. Funny that I posted my hypothetical conversation with you at post 408 and now those exact answers are being posted by you. I can predict the future!

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

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2 of the top 10 goalies in GAA Better Than Expected with 30 GP+ moved this past off season.

Samsonov signed a Comrie-esque 1 yr $1.8M deal after not being tendered by the Caps.

Georgiev moved for 2 3rds and a 5th.

You also have Korpisalo at 11 that did get moved at the deadline and might have been available in the off season.

Campbell has been really bad in Edmonton and the Sabres certainly dodged a bullet there. But, there were goalies that moved this off season that are having much better seasons than Comrie and did not come at huge acquisition costs. Heck, Adams could theoretically have thrown the Caps a 5th or 6th for Samsonov's RFA rights and maybe been in a much better spot.

I was skeptical about Samsonov and Georgiev. So, I won't say they were no brainer adds over Comrie. But, I do think that Adams and company need to reflect on why they got such an important move wrong so that they can improve the position for next season.

This is the thing though. Those guys play on good teams. Those guys weren't good before going to good teams. Even someone like Husso had a huge drop going from a good team to a bad team.

Samsonov specifically wanted to sign in Toronto. I wouldn't have minded him, but his numbers weren't good before. Same about Samsonov. Neither of those guys I'd call good goalies. Comrie had better numbers last year compared to them. This seems like a major hindsight argument.

 

[toddkaz]

This is the thing though. Those guys play on good teams. Those guys weren't good before going to good teams. Even someone like Husso had a huge drop going from a good team to a bad team.

Samsonov specifically wanted to sign in Toronto. I wouldn't have minded him, but his numbers weren't good before. Same about Samsonov. Neither of those guys I'd call good goalies. Comrie had better numbers last year compared to them. This seems like a major hindsight argument.

You are right and everyone is wrong.

There were no good goalies available
All the goalies that were available sucked
Comrie was the absolute best choice
Adams is a genius.

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I'm talking legit good goalies available.

Reimer has a .895 save %

Vejemelka who has been decent this year, but isn't what I'd call a good goalie. I'm not really sure if he's available.

Reimer is better than anything we have. Also San Jose sucks. They’re even worse defensively than we are. He’s also a UFA so I could see him being available, but not actively shopped.

Vejmelka is a really good goalie. He is available but for an overpayment because that’s what Bill Armstrong does. The Yotes aren’t getting rid of him because they have nothing else behind him, although I am pretty high on their prospect Prosvetov.

 

[Jim Bob]

Here comes the protect Adams at any cost answer. Funny that I posted my hypothetical conversation with you at post 408 and now those exact answers are being posted by you.

Reimer has been trash this season as he is close to Campbell in the chart I posted above.

But, every Sharks goalie has been trash as Kahkonen was DFL. So, it is hard to tell how much of it is Reimer vs the environment. Although, it's not like coming to the Sabres would be jumping into a great environment for goalies to play in.

And I do not think there is any reasonable chance that Vejmelka was available last summer. And after the mediocre rookie year he had, nobody was pounding the table for him as the answer in goal.

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Here comes the protect Adams at any cost answer. Funny that I posted my hypothetical conversation with you at post 408 and now those exact answers are being posted by you. I can predict the future!

"Here comes the protect Adams at any cost answer"
"I mean facts, people who are in love with Adams wont want to hear it though."

Why are you getting so emotional lol?

I try to be objective & not completely reactionary.

I asked for good goalies avaliable and said everyone is available. You don't think that's a ridiculous answer lol?

So far the answers have been just guys that are journeyman goaltenders & Demko who was horrendous this year, but I guess has been decent for the last few games so we should've traded a 1st for him?

 

[Jim Bob]

Reimer is better than anything we have. Also San Jose sucks. They’re even worse defensively than we are. He’s also a UFA so I could see him being available, but not actively shopped.

Reimer is not better than Anderson and his advanced stats have been worse than UPL and better than Comrie this season.

I would not attribute all of that to the Sharks being bad as it's not like the Sabres have been good defensively.

 

[toddkaz]

"Here comes the protect Adams at any cost answer"
"I mean facts, people who are in love with Adams wont want to hear it though."

Why are you getting so emotional lol?

I try to be objective & not completely reactionary.

I asked for good goalies avaliable and said everyone is available. You don't think that's a ridiculous answer lol?

So far the answers have been just guys that are journeyman goaltenders & Demko who was horrendous this year, but I guess has been decent for the last few games so we should've traded a 1st for him?

Then why did you give the exact answer I posted before you even posted it? Hmmm....

Name a player!! Name one damn it!! If you don't then you are wrong!

Ok Player X

NOOOOO HE SUCKSSSSSSSS

Do another!!!!! I love this game!!!

 

[PatLaFontaineASMR]

Reimer is better than anything we have. Also San Jose sucks. They’re even worse defensively than we are. He’s also a UFA so I could see him being available, but not actively shopped.

Vejmelka is a really good goalie. He is available but for an overpayment because that’s what Bill Armstrong does. The Yotes aren’t getting rid of him because they have nothing else behind him, although I am pretty high on their prospect Prosvetov.

I don't think he's better than anything we have. I'm talking about a marginal upgrade. Not a guy that might be slightly better than what we have. That's not really moving the needle.

"Vejmelka is a really good goalie." When I say really good goalie I mean like a legit top guy like Shesterkin/Sorokin/Hellebuyck etc..

He's been decent this year, but wasn't last year. I'm not sure if he would be a marginal upgrade & would be worth an overpayment.

 

[Jim Bob]

This is the thing though. Those guys play on good teams. Those guys weren't good before going to good teams. Even someone like Husso had a huge drop going from a good team to a bad team.

Samsonov specifically wanted to sign in Toronto. I wouldn't have minded him, but his numbers weren't good before. Same about Samsonov. Neither of those guys I'd call good goalies. Comrie had better numbers last year compared to them. This seems like a major hindsight argument.

There is always hindsight involved with Lessons Learned activities. That is the point of them. Hindsight allows you to learn lessons to apply in future years.

I think that the way things have gone may point to the process that the Sabres went through to target Comrie as they cannot go into next season with Comrie and UPL as the duo and expect to get goaltending that will be good enough to get into the playoffs.

 

[WhereAreTheCookies]

Thats a ludicrous answer. Getting a starting goalie at the beginning of the year or a top 4 dman changes the entire dynamic of the team and pushes Bryson and Clague out of the lineup.

Making a statement like getting a good player changes nothing is like you never watched a travel back in time to change the future movie

I'm not saying adding a player at the start of the season doesn't make the team better, it does. However you continue to ignore or gloss over where this team was at the beginning of the year. Most around here were expecting them to be an 85-90 point team if things continued to progress. They ARE that right now.

You seem to have this Idea that adding another Dman and a goalie is somehow going to result in players making better decisions in the defensive zone. How does adding a goalie and one top 4 Dman prevent them from allowing uncontested shots from the slot and near the crease game after game after game? Another Dman is on the ice for maybe 20 minutes a game, that's 40 minutes of other Dmen who continue to allow it to happen. The forwards continue to play passive defensively. The team as a whole spends more time trying to blow the zone for offense rather than being responsible defensively.

Comrie isn't the answer in goal. Joker isn't the answer in the top 4, but neither of them are the sole reason this team is where it is right now. They are playing similar to the way Florida did last year, and the only reason why Florida made that work is because they had developed players having career years and a ton of depth. They then got completely exposed in the playoffs where they couldn't outscore their problems.

Their problems run deeper than just a goalie and a top 4 Dman.

 

[EichHart]

Not getting a starting goalie before this season started is a fireable offense for Adams. Not pulling the goalie last night after 10 goals is also a fireable offense for Granato.

 

[TommyDangles]

I'm not saying adding a player at the start of the season doesn't make the team better, it does. However you continue to ignore or gloss over where this team was at the beginning of the year. Most around here were expecting them to be an 85-90 point team if things continued to progress. They ARE that right now.

You seem to have this Idea that adding another Dman and a goalie is somehow going to result in players making better decisions in the defensive zone. How does adding a goalie and one top 4 Dman prevent them from allowing uncontested shots from the slot and near the crease game after game after game? Another Dman is on the ice for maybe 20 minutes a game, that's 40 minutes of other Dmen who continue to allow it to happen. The forwards continue to play passive defensively. The team as a whole spends more time trying to blow the zone for offense rather than being responsible defensively.

Comrie isn't the answer in goal. Joker isn't the answer in the top 4, but neither of them are the sole reason this team is where it is right now. They are playing similar to the way Florida did last year, and the only reason why Florida made that work is because they had developed players having career years and a ton of depth. They then got completely exposed in the playoffs where they couldn't outscore their problems.

Their problems run deeper than just a goalie and a top 4 Dman.

People want the shiny new toy that's gonna fix all the problems.

I remember when people wanted us to trade the Cozens pick for Max Domi because he'd fix the team.

 

[Duddy]

Yeah, how dare people want players that help the team.