Kevyn Adams GM thread

[Dubi Doo]

Let's hit 10 Ls in a row (not the good kind!) to guarantee this man is fired. Pegula wont be able to keep him around, right? The PR would be ugllllyyy.

 

[Jim Bob]

Let's hit 10 Ls in a row (not the good kind!) to guarantee this man is fired. Pegula wont be able to keep him around, right? The PR would be ugllllyyy.

I doubt Pegula cares about that stuff. Or at least he doesn't care enough to make logical moves like actually hiring a respected veteran GM to run things.

 

[Fjordsen]

I think it is 1.5.

Kevyn Adams is a rookie GM without any experience in an NHL hockey ops role prior to being named GM.

So, he shouldn't be the GM because he isn't qualified to be an NHL GM, let alone for a team that needs to be rebuilt and is in the midst of a decade+ long playoff drought.

But, I also believe that Pegula absolutely wants Adams to work "economically" which is code for on a budget. That is why on day one Adams had to fire close to two dozen people on staff. That's why they have one of the smallest pro scouting staffs in the entire league. That's why they didn't allow Ruff to bring in any outside coaches. That is why they don't retain on trades. That is why Adams doesn't think about the salary cap. That is why Adams hasn't hired a veteran NHL GM to at least be an advisor as he learns the ropes of being an NHL GM.

So, I do not believe that Pegula is giving Adams every resource possible to build a winner. And Adams is a good little Pegula soldier and goes in front of the media and does whatever he can to try and deflect blame from Pegula.

As long as Adams does what Pegula wants, takes the shots from the media, and keeps the budget tight, I have no hope that Adams gets replaced.

And even if Adams were fired tomorrow, I have no expectation that they will hire a veteran NHL GM that I would expect to be able to build a winner. I would expect that they promote Karmanos, the budget stuff remains in place, and nothing really changes.

I don't understand, is it really necessary to spend so much money to hire scouts or replace several guys on the coaching staff? He's a billionaire. I wonder how Adams explained to Terry that he wanted to lock up Power for 8 million or Cozens for 7 million. And what about Byram's new contract or do we trade him at TDL futures so as not to pay him?

I doubt Pegula cares about that stuff. Or at least he doesn't care enough to make logical moves like actually hiring a respected veteran GM to run things.

Adams talked about an experienced coach after Granato was fired. Now it's time to find an experienced GM/POHO. Kevyn is in Granato's situation after last season, only it's December and he's already in the shit. He might get sacked before Christmas.

 

[toddkaz]

PlNecas was being shopped and didn't move.

Ehlers was being shopped and didn't move.

Adams said he thought he had a deal done for a player and the player didn't move.

You can't make a GM trade a guy that he would rather keep. And you can bet that other GMs would use the threat of a trade to a team like Buffalo to get a guy to stay put.

Necas didnt want to sign here. Players are shopped all the time and don't move when the team isn't happy with the return except during the press conference Adams said they had a deal. It had nothing to do with Carolina's GM. You keep pushing that narrative. Maybe you didn't watch the press conference.

You keep saying you can't make a GM trade a guy. Adams has a deal with the other GM and the player kills it because of the NTC/NMC. You need to watch the press conference really.

 

[Fjordsen]

Necas didnt want to sign here. Players are shopped all the time and don't move when the team isn't happy with the return except during the press conference Adams said they had a deal. It had nothinig to do with Carolina's GM. You keep pushing that narrative.

Necas would have been under control for two years anyway, maybe he would have changed his mind in the future. You make such a deal.

Although I remember rumors that Ehlers did not want to come with an extension, well that's a slightly different conversation, depending on the price and Ehlers in the summer UFA (although he could have changed his mind too).

 

[toddkaz]

Necas would have been under control for two years anyway, maybe he would have changed his mind in the future. You make such a deal.

Although I remember rumors that Ehlers did not want to come with an extension, well that's a slightly different conversation, depending on the price and Ehlers in the summer UFA (although he could have changed his mind too).

Ya, the point being is Jim Bob keeps saying you can't force a GM to make a trade when its actually the player who is stopping the trade to Buffalo with his NMC/NTC or says he wont resign.


Also I don't know why Adams continues to target these players. Plenty of players without these clauses.

 

[Jim Bob]

I don't understand, is it really necessary to spend so much money to hire scouts or replace several guys on the coaching staff? He's a billionaire. I wonder how Adams explained to Terry that he wanted to lock up Power for 8 million or Cozens for 7 million. And what about Byram's new contract or do we trade him at TDL futures so as not to pay him?


Adams talked about an experienced coach after Granato was fired. Now it's time to find an experienced GM/POHO. Kevyn is in Granato's situation after last season, only it's December and he's already in the shit. He might get sacked before Christmas.

Pegula wants them to be economical...

Ya, the point being is Jim Bob keeps saying you can't force a GM to make a trade when its actually the player who is stopping the trade to Buffalo with his NMC/NTC or says he wont resign.


Also I don't know why Adams continues to target these players. Plenty of players without these clauses.

Adams did not say he backed out because the player was reluctant to sign here long term.

Adams said the other GM decided to keep the player.

So, either Adams wasn't being honest about why that trade didn't happen or people are making assumptions that are incorrect by saying it fell apart because the player wouldn't sign long term.

 

[Fjordsen]

Ya, the point being is Jim Bob keeps saying you can't force a GM to make a trade when its actually the player who is stopping the trade to Buffalo with his NMC/NTC or says he wont resign.


Also I don't know why Adams continues to target these players. Plenty of players without these clauses.

The problem is that there were various contradictory rumors. Either Necas simply did not want to sign an extension in Buffalo right away. Or Tulsky simply refused to sell him at the last minute and held an auction, and in the end he kept him and, as we can see, for good reason. I don’t know exactly what the truth is.

I wonder what this deal was where Adams said the fans would roast him for it. As if he’s not roasted now.

 

[Jim Bob]

Necas didnt want to sign here. Players are shopped all the time and don't move when the team isn't happy with the return except during the press conference Adams said they had a deal. It had nothing to do with Carolina's GM. You keep pushing that narrative. Maybe you didn't watch the press conference.

You keep saying you can't make a GM trade a guy. Adams has a deal with the other GM and the player kills it because of the NTC/NMC. You need to watch the press conference really.

Chad D has said it was Ehlers and not Necas.

And reportedly, Necas would sign a two year deal if he was traded. He wanted to get to UFA ASAP.

Either way, it sounded like Adams wanted to trade for a top 6 F on a short term deal and the other GM opted to keep the player.

 

[toddkaz]

Pegula wants them to be economical...


Adams did not say he backed out because the player was reluctant to sign here long term.

Adams said the other GM decided to keep the player.

So, either Adams wasn't being honest about why that trade didn't happen or people are making assumptions that are incorrect by saying it fell apart because the player wouldn't sign long term.

He said he had an agreement but the player didn't want to sign an extension. He had an agreement and Adams said the fans would have been angry with the assets he was trading.

 

[Fjordsen]

Pegula wants them to be economical...

Then why doesn't he keep the team off the floor? Ok, you want to be economical, then hire another GM who can build a playoff or bubble team within that cap.

 

[Jim Bob]

The problem is that there were various contradictory rumors. Either Necas simply did not want to sign an extension in Buffalo right away. Or Tulsky simply refused to sell him at the last minute and held an auction, and in the end he kept him and, as we can see, for good reason. I don’t know exactly what the truth is.

I wonder what this deal was where Adams said the fans would roast him for it. As if he’s not roasted now.

Given how people killed him for giving up Savoie for McLeod and a 2nd for Malenstyn, I could see him giving up Rosen and a 1st for Ehlers on an expiring deal and losing their minds.

 

[toddkaz]

Chad D has said it was Ehlers and not Necas.

And reportedly, Necas would sign a two year deal if he was traded. He wanted to get to UFA ASAP.

Either way, it sounded like Adams wanted to trade for a top 6 F on a short term deal and the other GM opted to keep the player.

Funny, you are guessing and Adams never said the other GM killed the deal.

 

[Fjordsen]

He said he had an agreement but the player didn't want to sign an extension. He had an agreement and Adams said the fans would have been angry with the assets he was trading.

It was probably Ehlers after all.

But then again, go find someone else, you can get a guy like Noesen who fits all your criteria for $1-2 million more than the Devils.

 

[toddkaz]

It was probably Ehlers after all.

But then again, go find someone else, you can get a guy like Noesen who fits all your criteria for $1-2 million more than the Devils.

Probably, thats where the palm trees and taxes comment came from.

 

[Jim Bob]

Then why doesn't he keep the team off the floor? Ok, you want to be economical, then hire another GM who can build a playoff or bubble team within that cap.

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They were 18th in 2020-21. That was Kevyn Adams's first season as GM when they signed Hall and traded for Staal and Pegula expected them to be Cup contenders.

 

[Fjordsen]

Given how people killed him for giving up Savoie for McLeod and a 2nd for Malenstyn, I could see him giving up Rosen and a 1st for Ehlers on an expiring deal and losing their minds.

Who killed him? I said that maybe it seems a bit much, but we needed such a 3C, so I'm fine. The second for Malenstyn, well I would give the third, it's not critical and it's not a huge overpayment and not a disaster, the main thing is to find the right players to improve the squad, even if you overpay, it's not scary.

Rosen + 1st? I easy do it. And I wouldn't fry Adams for it.

 

[Jim Bob]

Funny, you are guessing and Adams never said the other GM killed the deal.

Sabres’ struggles haven’t shaken Kevyn Adams’ belief: ‘Not going to panic’ - Buffalo Hockey Beat

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Adams also mentioned the Sabres diligently pursued a trade during the offseason – “We went all in on,” he said – that fell apart.

“You guys probably would’ve roasted me and said we were going to overpay to get that player, and they ended up not trading that player, and he’s still on that team,” he said. “So it’s not from lack of want, but we’re not going to go and just make a trade so you guys can say we’ve spent to the cap, if we don’t think it makes sense for now and into the future. You just can’t operate like that.”

He said they were all in on the deal and he didn't move at the time and hasn't moved since.

Adams never said they walked away from the trade because the player refused to sign here.

Who killed him? I said that maybe it seems a bit much, but we needed such a 3C, so I'm fine. The second for Malenstyn, well I would give the third, it's not critical and it's not a huge overpayment and not a disaster, the main thing is to find the right players to improve the squad, even if you overpay, it's not scary.

Rosen + 1st? I easy do it. And I wouldn't fry Adams for it.

Tons of people were upset about giving up a prospect who was a top 10 pick for a 3rd line center.

Peters and Rivet did a whole pod defending the trade from all the people that were upset about it.

 

[Dubi Doo]

Didn't Adams say he believes in the guys in the locker-room? I know that is PR talk, but the team following it up with 7 losses in a row is quite the pie in the face moments for Adams. You can't script this any better.

 

[Fjordsen]

Sabres’ struggles haven’t shaken Kevyn Adams’ belief: ‘Not going to panic’ - Buffalo Hockey Beat

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He said they were all in on the deal and he didn't move at the time and hasn't moved since.

Adams never said they walked away from the trade because the player refused to sign here.






Tons of people were upset about giving up a prospect who was a top 10 pick for a 3rd line center.

Peters and Rivet did a whole pod defending the trade from all the people that were upset about it.

Does he care about public opinion or the team's performance? Do you think other GMs don't have to deal with this? They don't care, even if they make mistakes in trades, they go and make new trades.

 

[Tijuana Donkey Show]

Who killed him? I said that maybe it seems a bit much, but we needed such a 3C, so I'm fine. The second for Malenstyn, well I would give the third, it's not critical and it's not a huge overpayment and not a disaster, the main thing is to find the right players to improve the squad, even if you overpay, it's not scary.

Rosen + 1st? I easy do it. And I wouldn't fry Adams for it.

Not just that, but the last year or two was "The Time".

The cupboards are stocked. 2nd round picks rarely play more than a couple dozen NHL games in their career. Sure it kind of stings a little. But you insulate your core with the big club and give your prospects more time to bake in the minors.

For a club built on supporting their young players they have done an abysmal (embarrassing) job of supporting, progressing, and protecting them. More than anything else, this has been Adams downfall. Drafting has been more or less fine.

 

[Jim Bob]

Not just that, but the last year or two was "The Time".

The cupboards are stocked. 2nd round picks rarely play more than a couple dozen NHL games in their career. Sure it kind of stings a little. But you insulate your core with the big club and give your prospects more time to bake in the minors.

For a club built on supporting their young players they have done an abysmal (embarrassing) job of supporting, progressing, and protecting them. More than anything else, this has been Adams downfall. Drafting has been more or less fine.

The time was the trade deadline in 2022-23 when they ended up one point short.

If only Adams had gone all in then...

 

[debaser66]

If nothing else, it'd be consistent with the Pegula/Adams approach of only wanting guys that want to be here.

like Mitts

 

[May Day 10]

I think the drafting under Adams is over-blown.

Not good drafting and/or development. Peterka was the bright spot and he looks like poo.

Not sure who else amateur scouting has hit on.

 

[debaser66]

just fire him and appoint Karmanos as interim GM till some vet option becomes feasible