Kesler puts Detroit on a list of teams he'd like to be traded to | UPD: Kesler to ANA

[The Zetterberg Era]

From everything I read, the Wings are one of 4 teams WEber would approve a trade to. Not sure on Bieksa but I'd bet he'd be willing to come to Detroit.

I think we might be high on Bieksa's list if he was the kind of guy that would allow a list. He already stated he would go down with the ship in Vancouver and he is the kind of guy that would cut off his nose to spite his face.

As for Weber he doesn't have a list, so he should think long and hard before he walks in that office and asks out of Nashville. They don't have to honor **** and really they shouldn't while moving a player of his caliber. However, the idea that Weber can demand a trade or submit a list is pretty hysterical, the only way they might do that is if they decide they are no longer interested in Shea Weber being a Predator and decide to do him a solid by asking him for like a list of ten teams since he has been a good thing for the franchise. But it will be out of the kindness of their heart and probably only if Jones has completely supplanted him. Still after what he did and the money they have invested people should really come off the Shea Weber thing.

Weber is one of the least likely guys to move in the entire league, barring a stunning return and make no mistake I don't think they are honoring his NTC provisional they went out of the way to make public that they didn't have to, I think in part to make it so if he ever walked through the doors to discuss it he would know he doesn't get any say.

 

[bababooeyII]

I think we might be high on Bieksa's list if he was the kind of guy that would allow a list. He already stated he would go down with the ship in Vancouver and he is the kind of guy that would cut off his nose to spite his face.

As for Weber he doesn't have a list, so he should think long and hard before he walks in that office and asks out of Nashville. They don't have to honor **** and really they shouldn't while moving a player of his caliber. However, the idea that Weber can demand a trade or submit a list is pretty hysterical, the only way they might do that is if they decide they are no longer interested in Shea Weber being a Predator and decide to do him a solid by asking him for like a list of ten teams since he has been a good thing for the franchise. But it will be out of the kindness of their heart and probably only if Jones has completely supplanted him. Still after what he did and the money they have invested people should really come off the Shea Weber thing.

Weber is one of the least likely guys to move in the entire league, barring a stunning return and make no mistake I don't think they are honoring his NTC provisional they went out of the way to make public that they didn't have to, I think in part to make it so if he ever walked through the doors to discuss it he would know he doesn't get any say.

He didn't really want to re-sign there in the first place and he also has been rumored to want out since Suter left. Lastly it is not Weber who walks into the GM's office and demands to be traded, it's his agent's job to do that for him.

 

[Bench]

He didn't really want to re-sign there in the first place and he also has been rumored to want out since Suter left.

He was fine staying, but he also wanted a huge contract. He basically forced their hands. If he wasn't fine staying, he was pretty dumb to think they'd let him go via offer sheet. A guy who signs a deal that big has got to know the team will probably keep him and he'll be on the hook for life.

He just as easily could have signed a much, much shorter deal and then walked as a UFA. But he didn't. Because he didn't mind staying in Nashville.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

He didn't really want to re-sign there in the first place and he also has been rumored to want out since Suter left. Lastly it is not Weber who walks into the GM's office and demands to be traded, it's his agent's job to do that for him.

Where the agent is told, we will see what we can do, tell all 29 teams out there he is available for a Kings ransom? Has your client enjoyed the 40+ million we have paid him over the last 24 months, because we aren't a charity. He wants out it is at their convenience, nothing else to it. His agent that signed him into this situation should know that, that is if they are still his agents because yes he has a lot of money, but he is essentially been pushed with it all into a creek without a paddle if he wants any say in getting out of Nashville.

Cannot believe they didn't think they would match that.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

He was fine staying, but he also wanted a huge contract. He basically forced their hands. If he wasn't fine staying, he was pretty dumb to think they'd let him go via offer sheet. A guy who signs a deal that big has got to know the team will probably keep him and he'll be on the hook for life.

He just as easily could have signed a much, much shorter deal and then walked as a UFA. But he didn't. Because he didn't mind staying in Nashville.

He didn't because he wanted to get paid during the lockout in bonuses and get that kind of contract. I don't doubt that he is unhappy, he also told them not to match. But he has to live with his 100 million contract and the situation he has now. Not many are going to feel sorry for him and he is going to have a near impossible time bullying his way out. The only real avenue for Weber is to threaten retirement? Anybody believing that, does he have a league back... oh wait yup he is stuck.

 

[Bench]

I always saw it as a negotiation ploy. He should have just played out his RFA years if he wanted to genuinely leave. But he got his massive bonuses, so he's got that going for him.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

I always saw it as a negotiation ploy. He should have just played out his RFA years if he wanted to genuinely leave. But he got his massive bonuses, so he's got that going for him.

I thought when he signed it that was his angle, he was comfortable if they matched. If he really wanted out he wouldn't have signed it.

I think what he didn't understand and his agent failed him on was is they don't have to honor any of the bells and whistles and didn't.

So they were probably like if they match and we don't like it, we will get you out of there in a couple years. Well that isn't really how this plays out with them in total control, I think that was the error they had not counted on and the reason they started scrambling once that was clear.

 

[Bench]

You could very well be correct. That all sounds reasonable.

 

[bababooeyII]

The contract was outrageous because the Flyers never thought (nor did Weber) that the Preds would match and that they would just take the compensation.

 

[Bench]

The contract was outrageous because the Flyers never thought (nor did Weber) that the Preds would match and that they would just take the compensation.

Well, that's silly. Dave Poile, before that all went down, said he would match any offer sheet.

I get sometimes GMs blow smoke, but Poile isn't one of those guys.

 

[NyquistIsMyGod*]

I'm really unsure about this. At one end I could see Kesler turning it around and if healthy, exactly what the team could use now. There's a very expendible wingers too. Same time, these prospects are so good and the wear and tear has to be catching up with soon-to-be 30 year old Kesler.

 

[Some Random Guy]

I wouldn't be fine trading Tatar and a 1st. I think that's honestly one of the worst moves.
Tatar? He had four less games than Kesler and four less points this year. He's also 23. Why give up a prospect like that plus a first round draft pick for Kesler?

I get he's talented and he'd help with D. You could stack him on a line with D and Z. There are injury concerns at the tip of the iceberg. Who

Don't get me wrong, I'd like Kesler but not at what he'd fetch. After hearing rumours of what was asked for Edler? No ****ing thank you if Benning asks for the same high orders as Gillis. Plus the guy is basically a Vancouver homer. Retired there.

 

[Frk It]

Do not want Kesler. Do not want Stastny. Did not want Legwand.

Let's keep our young players and draft picks, unless it's for a defenseman.

If you want a center then go for Grabovski this summer. Or give Legwand another shot since he's a "solid 50 pt center". Or get some cortisone shots for Weiss for every week of the season.

But please don't trade young talent for a 7th center.

 

[Cyborg Yzerberg]

Kesler is too oft injured is the thing. And he will cost too much. I wouldn't mind an offensive upgrade, but the real emphasis should be on defense. Besides, Kesler would wind up on the 4th line wing anyway, cause Babs.

 

[crashman]

It's seems unfortunate with the way things went this past season, but our wagon is hitched to Weiss for the time being, he's unmovable. There's no room for a player like Kesler when we have D, Z, Helm, Weiss, Sheahan, LGD etc. I'd love it if there was an opening for Kesler (even though he's a rat), but it would just make the logjam worse.

Also, I have pretty high hopes for Helm going forward. I think he's gonna have a big season now that he seems to be healthy again. Helm needs to see more minutes next year, regardless of what happens with Weiss.

 

[Crymson]

Exactly what this team needs, more injuries at significant expense.

Besides,

Tatar: 39P in 73 games
Kesler: 43P in 77 games

and likely to be trending in opposite directions.

Yep. Players of Kesler's ilk do not age well.

I would love Kesler on the Wings. Depends on the asking price though. I would be ok giving up Kindl + 2nd for him. Although doesn't he hate Kronwall???

I'd give up Kindl and a 2nd for him also. Trouble is, I don't think the Canucks' new GM would like to be fired in his very first offseason.

I used to really want Kesler on the Wings. Used to.

Agreed. 2009 Kesler would be a great have. 2014 Kesler? Not so much.

Folks being way too hard on Kesler here. He didn't put up the .9ppg he has in past seasons, but I'm not sure that was ever a pace he should have been expected to maintain. Last season he played over 21 minutes a game, scored 25 goals, and was over 52% at faceoffs while taking over 1400 of them.

Bring him here where we can maybe put a better group around him, dial his minutes back a bit, and the wear and tear should dip a bit.

That .9ppg is likely to determine his value for the Canucks. At the very least, it did for Gillis, though perhaps this new GM of theirs won't be so foolish.

Kesler's playstyle means that wear and tear will be a reality regardless of the roster around him.

Defense.

Defense defense defense. Seriously. No more forwards, please.

Agreed. And we certainly don't need any more centers.

 

[Chex LeMeneux]

It's seems unfortunate with the way things went this past season, but our wagon is hitched to Weiss for the time being, he's unmovable. There's no room for a player like Kesler when we have D, Z, Helm, Weiss, Sheahan, LGD etc. I'd love it if there was an opening for Kesler (even though he's a rat), but it would just make the logjam worse.

I agree. I'd love to get Kesler, but as unfortunate as it may be, there's just no room for him here. If there is any interest in this move at all, it's likely coming from Kesler's camp, not ours.

 

[icKx]

It's seems unfortunate with the way things went this past season, but our wagon is hitched to Weiss for the time being, he's unmovable. There's no room for a player like Kesler when we have D, Z, Helm, Weiss, Sheahan, LGD etc. I'd love it if there was an opening for Kesler (even though he's a rat), but it would just make the logjam worse.

Also, I have pretty high hopes for Helm going forward. I think he's gonna have a big season now that he seems to be healthy again. Helm needs to see more minutes next year, regardless of what happens with Weiss.

Kesler can slot at C or RW.

Weiss is a complete flake. He negotiated a substantial contract while he knew he was injured. Who knows what he is going forward. Might be the next Legwand.

Z's future is as a winger, not a center, unless we intend to run him into the ground ala Boxer the horse.

Can't count on Helm. When he plays it's just a bonus. Given his cap hit is only 2m that's alright.

Guess I don't see the logjam. It's worth noting we have zero center prospects with 1st line potential.

 

[crashman]

Kesler can slot at C or RW.

Weiss is a complete flake. He negotiated a substantial contract while he knew he was injured. Who knows what he is going forward. Might be the next Legwand.

Z's future is as a winger, not a center, unless we intend to run him into the ground ala Boxer the horse.

Can't count on Helm. When he plays it's just a bonus. Given his cap hit is only 2m that's alright.

Guess I don't see the logjam. It's worth noting we have zero center prospects with 1st line potential.

Can't count on Helm? Then don't count on Kesler either, the guy is injured pretty often and older than Helm.

I'm not a fan of Weiss either, but there's always that possibility that he bounces back this year. I agree that it was pretty shady what he pulled, but it's Holland's job to prevent things like that.

Getting Kesler would require giving up significant assets, and most teams will outbid us unless Holland is willing to give up 2 top young players/prospects and a high draft pick.

 

[19 for president]

Kesler can slot at C or RW.

Weiss is a complete flake. He negotiated a substantial contract while he knew he was injured. Who knows what he is going forward. Might be the next Legwand.

Z's future is as a winger, not a center, unless we intend to run him into the ground ala Boxer the horse.

Can't count on Helm. When he plays it's just a bonus. Given his cap hit is only 2m that's alright.

Guess I don't see the logjam. It's worth noting we have zero center prospects with 1st line potential.

I view Kesler as a final piece type of player. I don't think he is someone you necessarily build around. If this were 2 or 3 years down the line, then yeah I'd be ok giving up a few prospects to round out our roster, but as it stands this team is a few solid Dmen from competing. Not having Weiss on the hook would also help, but as of right now we are stuck with him. Unless the wings can land a building block forward ala Evander Kane, I see no reason for them to trade for any forward. Their focus must be defense. Our struggles offensively and at goalie largely stem from our inability to move the puck out of our zone.

 

[Bob Probert Owns You]

I'm good with Kesler on the Wings, if the price is right. I assume Van will seek a ludicrous return, which Detroit should avoid at all costs.

 

[sepster]

I think we're talking about one of the kids we'd rather not trade and a first.

Sheahan/Tatar/Jurco+1st for Kesler.

Pass.

I would burn the Red Wings organization to the ground if this trade happened to go through.

 

[Winger98]

That .9ppg is likely to determine his value for the Canucks. At the very least, it did for Gillis, though perhaps this new GM of theirs won't be so foolish.

Kesler's playstyle means that wear and tear will be a reality regardless of the roster around him.

I don't think they'll be able to move him then, and it's not going to be an issue for us.

 

[YostisHome]

He should be on our "don't trade for" list

 

[icKx]

Can't count on Helm? Then don't count on Kesler either, the guy is injured pretty often and older than Helm.

I'm not a fan of Weiss either, but there's always that possibility that he bounces back this year. I agree that it was pretty shady what he pulled, but it's Holland's job to prevent things like that.

Getting Kesler would require giving up significant assets, and most teams will outbid us unless Holland is willing to give up 2 top young players/prospects and a high draft pick.

Since 2010 Kesler has played 381 / 422 (90%) possible games, including playoffs.

Helm has been game-ready for 274 / 423 (64%)

Helm does a lot of good things. But this fan base is so infatuated with him only because he gets the spotlight shown on him just by virtue of dressing for a game.