GDT: Kent Hughes Press Conference 1pm Eastern (Link Added)

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A decision has to be made at some time this season- the soap opera needs to end - and one way or another I think it will at some point this season
Au contraire

Price will not give up tens of millions and retire. He will rest his head on Robidas Island LTIR and every summer we have to juggle his enormous caphit and Molson will have to send him his enormous yearly bonus.
 

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And why do you have the right to match an offer sheet? Is it maybe because you have the rights to the player?

It's simple. It's not PLD who decides he's no longer a Winnipeg Jet. It's the Winnipeg Jets that decide he's no longer a Winnipeg Jet.

I think your info or context is more fake.

Qualifying RFA's holds the rights. Offer sheets can happen but it's deeper than that. You either go to arbitration where dates are set for deadlines or you sign before the arbitration date cause there is a mutual agreement. If no mutual agreement, the arbitrator decides based on past production

The Jets' rights run out eventually, but that's neither here nor there.

What we're discussing is what privileges does a team hold over an RFA?

The fact of the matter is, an RFA is not under NHL contract and can do whatever they want.

Can the team that holds their rights prevent them from talkiing to any other team in the world? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights prevent them from signing with any other team in the world? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights prevent them from leaving for Europe until their RFA rights run out? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights prevent them from skiing or doing extreme sports? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights dictate how they should train or eat? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights dictate how they should communicate on social media or represent the organization? No. They're not under NHL contract.
Can the team that holds their rights force them to show up for training camp or team events? No. They're not under NHL contract.

The only right they have is to match an offer sheet or recieve compensation, and in some cases arbitration.
But arbitration doesn't change anything either. In the case of Club Elected Arbitration, the player can still walk away without taking the offer!
The team can't, because they elected for it, but the player isn't forced into signing if they don't want to. That's not how it works.
If the player elects for it, then they must accept the offer, and the team has the right to refuse and let them walk as a UFA instead. But in this scenario, we're talking about a player wanting to walk and a team trying to retain their rights, so the former is way more likely.
 

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I agree with this a lot.

At this point, Montreal is the weakest team in the East, and outside of Arizona and Chicago, I can't see anyone finishing lower in the standings than us (unless Cole becomes a 50g guy and Price returns to full immaculate health lol) ... it's a shame we won the lottery this year (lightning can strike twice!) because we have a real shot at a top 3 pick next year - I think we will end up with Fantilli ... or Dvorsky (we will be the Slovakian team at this rate)

It’s not a shame we won this year, because we got a good player out of a draft where we could have ended up with a big question mark.

I would rather draft top 8 next year and first this year than vice versa
 

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Doubt it. That makes our cap space worse.

Maybe Petry and Drouin for JVR.

I don't believe Hughes when he says the Petry trade is for future cap space cause why would he reveal he needs to move contracts to the media where other GM's hear it. Leverage is a huge situation but then again, the other GM's could just check out our cap structure like we are.

Very curious to see what he does and looks like we have more weeks to wait, not days

We have 223k$ left for Dach.

Byron or Price will go to LTIR.

Dach + another player will have Byron cap hit. So we're fine.
 

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Habs have tried that with KK and it failed. I hope the new management won't repeat the mistake with Slaf. Or kids like Guhle and Barron.
Exactly, and Kotkaniemi was a better prospect at the time that Slafkovsky is today, so rushing another player clearly unprepared for the NHL into the league merely to satisfy a segment of the fanbase or save face because of the perception that first overall picks should contribute immediately would be daft.
 
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Yikes not in love with this presser.

Guess they’re gonna have to throw some defensemen at the wolves this year and they’d rather it’s Petry than Barron or Harris. On top of it the guy has no trade value so I guess it makes the decision easier.

Habs fans can’t have nice things.
 

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We have 223k$ left for Dach.

Byron or Price will go to LTIR.

Dach + another player will have Byron cap hit. So we're fine.

What are the consequences to having Byron's smaller cap hit on LTIR before the season starts in terms of accrued cap space during the season? I'm good at match but I don't know how that's calculated.
 

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He keeps saying they don't have to trade Petry but at some point he'll have to. Not sure having Petry around in October, November, December while his wife and kids are still in the States is the type of thing we want around the team this year. Other GMs know this.
What he says outwardly and truly means inwardly are both designed for the specific reason of advancing competitive advantage.

For instance, hype up that we don't need to trade him , increase demand by increasing the perceived preciousness or scarcity of someone/thing, supply and demand 101, Hughes is cleverly managing it by working the room and priming important interlocutors + (media/fans)
 

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For real.
The day Price makes a decision about his future, we'll know.
It won't be from a random in-presser question, with Hughes going:
"Oh yeah, thanks for bringing it up, was about to forget lol. Yeah Price is retiring, k thx bye"
And that's coming - this can't be rehabing for years
 

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Au contraire

Price will not give up tens of millions and retire. He will rest his head on Robidas Island LTIR and every summer we have to juggle his enormous caphit and Molson will have to send him his enormous yearly bonus.
Sadly true. At least we're halfway through...

The timing, amount and duration of this contract truly were godawful. Bergevin really surpassed himself in terms of terrible contracts in the tail end of his tenure.
 
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Yikes not in love with this presser.

Guess they’re gonna have to throw some defensemen at the wolves this year and they’d rather it’s Petry than Barron or Harris.

Habs fans can’t have nice things.

I didn't like it either but it's July, not Sept/Oct. Lets wait it out first
 

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I thought the last place team getting the first overall pick is not considered winning the lottery as they never moved up to get it. No lottery win rules apply to Habs (yet)?
 

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Sadly true. At least we're halfway through...

The timing, amount and duration of this contract truly were godawful. Bergevin really surpassed himself in terms of terrible contracts in the tail end of his tenure.

One question I had was what was Bergevin's plan to be cap compliant this year? Imagine where we would be without the Lehkonen and Toffoli trades?

I thought the last place team getting the first overall pick is not considered winning the lottery as they never moved up to get it. No lottery win rules apply to Habs (yet)?

I thought that too but I don't think that is 100% clear
 

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Habs should just issue a statement, along with the press conference announcement, that says: "Nothing new for Carey Price. We'll do a press conference just for him when we have something new to tell you. No questions about Price, thank you."
 
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Yikes not in love with this presser.

Guess they’re gonna have to throw some defensemen at the wolves this year and they’d rather it’s Petry than Barron or Harris. On top of it the guy has no trade value so I guess it makes the decision easier.

Habs fans can’t have nice things.

I didn't like it either but it's July, not Sept/Oct. Lets wait it out first

I'm not following at all what you guys are upset about.
 

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Exactly, and Kotkaniemi was a better prospect at the time that Slafkovsky is today, so rushing other player clearly unprepared for the NHL into the league merely to satisfy a segment of the fanbase or save face because of the perception that first overall picks should contribute immediately would be daft.
I don't think so. Slaf has already proven he can play (and skate) against men in two major International events. But I think the next training camps (rookies and regular) will give enough info to decide what's best for Slaf next season.
 

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I'm assuming Hughes wants to just dump Petry's contract without retaining anything even if the return is nothing (similar to Pacioretty). However, the trades he got offered yesterday were probably him retaining on Petry while still getting nothing in return (similar to Burns).
 
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3rd overall, but Denis Savard was not 1st in the draft rankings pre-draft.

Wright is literally what Wickenheiser was: the elite kid everyone saw going 1st all season long.
Wickenheiser dominated his league way more than Wright. he got like 160 points in his last Junior season. I think the kids were drafted at 20 back then, not 18.

Wick was #1 on everyone's list. Not Wright.
 

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I'm not following at all what you guys are upset about.

Not upset. Just wanted to see some moves or more context into what he has going on or is close to accomplishing.

Why did he cancel yesterday's meeting? It was not because of a ELC to Mesar. I don't buy that one bit if that's the reason we are being told. I miss the first 5 min ish
 

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Not upset. Just wanted to see some moves or more context into what he has going on or is close to accomplishing

They’re gonna keep Petry basically.

Which GMs have ever said more than Hughes has? In fact he was pretty forthright in a lot of things that most GMs wouldn't even entertain. Even his work around on the PLD question was more than most GMs would wager.

And yeah they're gonna keep Petry until the trade makes sense. It's a good thing, they're not willing to retain or pay picks/prospects to move a really good RHD. Petry can live with it and insulate our kids until a team ponies up.

You want him to set assets on fire just to move Petry, why?
 

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