GDT: Kent Hughes Press Conference 1pm Eastern (Link Added)

[MasterD]

"So yeah eh... we did nothing, bye"

Why even hold a presser.

12h59, with all the media members waiting on Hugues, Bettman comes on stage:
"We have a trade to announce! The Winnipeg Jets trade C Pierre-Luc dubois to the Montreal Canadiens in exchange for Jeff Petry, Jordan Harris (or some other A- prospect) and their 2024 1st rd draft pick"

He then gets off stage as the french reporters start touching themselves, fireworks erupt and Hugues is their new hero for bringing home the new most overrated french player in the NHL.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

It's not about degree, just a bad argument as the assertion isn't true. I get your point, but you could say this differently without resorting to a bad argumentation.

It also belies the reality where a player might actually feel this way which is entirely possible. We come in all shapes and sizes.

There's no gotcha, so you can stop playing the victim. I simply think you used a bad argument. Deal with it or not and move on.

It's an expression. If I told my mother 'Mom, I don't owe you my time...' you wouldn't barge in and say 'Well, ackshually...'

Or maybe you would.

Dig up!

 

[MasterD]

PRP?

Platelet rich plasma?

Lots of people think that doesn't do shit.

It's controversial, but some doctors swear by it. Who knows.

We have to consider that Price would have played more games last year if not for a tank season. They had not incentive for him to play and him on LTIR helped accumulate accrued cap space for the deadline. Things you do once you fall to the bottom. I think they do have plans of him playing 40-50 games but it's fluid

Not sure about that. He had trouble moving laterally in the few games he played, he was clearly bothered by his knee. I think he only did it to prove to the doctors and insurance company that he's trying to comeback. He's done.

Plus who knows how his mental health is doing right now.

 

[Habs Halifax]

It's controversial, but some doctors swear by it. Who knows.

Not sure about that. He had trouble moving laterally in the few games he played, he was clearly bothered by his knee. I think he only did it to prove to the doctors and insurance company that he's trying to comeback. He's done.

Plus who knows how his mental health is doing right now.

Who knows if it works but why not try?

I do believe he can play. But it's not at his top level like Tiger at the moment. Kind of annoying to do your job when aggravating pain that comes and goes. It's a swelling issue and also a confidence issue for him to push himself in games without the fear the inflammation flames up again over night.

 

[Habs]

this thread is weird

 

[Mackiaveli]

It’s not a shame we won this year, because we got a good player out of a draft where we could have ended up with a big question mark.

Slaf is great, but at 3 we would have still gotten Cooley, Wright or Nemec. The drop I don't think (at least right now) is that extreme - but even Bedard --- Michkov ---- Fantilli

 

[WeThreeKings]

Slaf is great, but at 3 we would have still gotten Cooley, Wright or Nemec. The drop I don't think (at least right now) is that extreme - but even Bedard --- Michkov ---- Fantilli

As long as we pick bottom 8 next year, we're likely to get a prospect at least comparable with the top 4 this year but most likely better. If we pick top 5, we are 100% getting a better player than anyone in this draft class.

 

[Chili]

Up to last week, I always heard it was Savard vs Wickenheiser, but the guy I spoke too told me in his circle (Canadiens fans and involved in Q hockey) it was a no-brainer that it was going to be Wickenheiser and there was no disagreement. Scouting wasn’t as developed back then and they misevaluated the players. Look in the seventies, they made so many mistakes in judging draft picks.

The draft was for 20 year olds for most of the 1970's. The WHA which held it's own draft was another big factor and signed players under age 20 as well. There were few Europeans drafted. Börje Salming by himself helped change attitudes when he became an NHL star. In 1979 18 and 19 year olds were added and that's one of the best drafts in NHL history (check out the Oilers draft that year). No question scouting has evolved, they have a lot more information on every player but there is still a basic challenge. I sat with a scout during one draft and he said a lot of evaluation was easy, the big question was what a kid had inside. How would they react when they faced adversity. What Cole Caulfield went through this past season is an example, when many felt he should be in the AHL. But the kid is special and he persevered. I don't know that scouting is 'better', just probably more thorough. Bobby Orr was signed at 12 years old, so they certainly had the best players on the radar early back then. There is still a lot of guess work on how kids will evolve.

 

[CHwest]

The draft was for 20 year olds for most of the 1970's. The WHA which held it's own draft was another big factor. There were few Europeans drafted. Börje Salming by himself helped change attitudes when he became an NHL star. In 1979 18 and 19 year olds were added and that's one of the best drafts in NHL history (check out the Oilers draft that year). No question scouting has evolved, they have a lot more information on every player but there is still a basic challenge. I sat with a scout during one draft and he said a lot of evaluation was easy, the big question was what a kid had inside. How would they react when they faced adversity. What Cole Caulfield went through this past season is an example, when many felt he should be in the AHL. But the kid is special and he persevered. I don't know is scouting is 'better', just probably more thorough. Bobby Orr was signed at 12 years old, so they certainly had the best players on the radar early back then. There is still a lot of guess work on how kids will evolve.

Would love to see the draft age back at twenty. Would be a huge boost for junior hockey as well.

 

[GobigorGohome]

Hughes head is simply perfect .

 

[dcyhabs]

Would love to see the draft age back at twenty. Would be a huge boost for junior hockey as well.

An older draft would have the effect of helping the worst teams. The draft order would be much more aligned with ability.

 

[Kennerback]

The draft was for 20 year olds for most of the 1970's. The WHA which held it's own draft was another big factor and signed players under age 20 as well. There were few Europeans drafted. Börje Salming by himself helped change attitudes when he became an NHL star. In 1979 18 and 19 year olds were added and that's one of the best drafts in NHL history (check out the Oilers draft that year). No question scouting has evolved, they have a lot more information on every player but there is still a basic challenge. I sat with a scout during one draft and he said a lot of evaluation was easy, the big question was what a kid had inside. How would they react when they faced adversity. What Cole Caulfield went through this past season is an example, when many felt he should be in the AHL. But the kid is special and he persevered. I don't know that scouting is 'better', just probably more thorough. Bobby Orr was signed at 12 years old, so they certainly had the best players on the radar early back then. There is still a lot of guess work on how kids will evolve.

How badly they messed the Wickenheiser Pick? 3 HHFers were picked top-6 in 80, Savard, Larry Murphy, Paul Coffee.

79 was also fugly… 1-Ramage (at least an All-star), 2-Perry Turnbull. But then you take those 2 over other 1st rounders that were also on teams‘ radar. All HHFers…Mike Gartner, Bourque, Michel Goulet, Kevin Lowe. Oilers also picked in the later rounds… (Mark Messier and Glen Anderson). Add Gretzky and you have an insta-dynasty.

 

[Runner77]

As long as we pick bottom 8 next year, we're likely to get a prospect at least comparable with the top 4 this year but most likely better. If we pick top 5, we are 100% getting a better player than anyone in this draft class.

Is the first tier, Bedard alone, or is it Bedard, Michkov? How many tiers in those top 8?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Would love to see the draft age back at twenty. Would be a huge boost for junior hockey as well.

How do you compensate all those players for the two or three years of lost professional salaries?

 

[LaP]

How badly they messed the Wickenheiser Pick? 3 HHFers were picked top-6 in 80, Savard, Larry Murphy, Paul Coffee.

79 was also fugly… 1-Ramage (at least an All-star), 2-Perry Turnbull. But then you take those 2 over other 1st rounders that were also on teams‘ radar. All HHFers…Mike Gartner, Bourque, Michel Goulet, Kevin Lowe. Oilers also picked in the later rounds… (Mark Messier and Glen Anderson). Add Gretzky and you have an insta-dynasty.

What about Jagr taken 5th overall XD

 

[CHwest]

How do you compensate all those players for the two or three years of lost professional salaries?

I didn't say it was doable, just like to see it. Definitely wouldn't be the crap shoot it is now.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I didn't say it was doable, just like to see it. Definitely wouldn't be the crap shoot it is now.

That was the lawyer in me. Always looking for someone to sue.

But the uncertainty of the current system adds a bit of excitement. Its like that old box of chocolates: you never know what you are getting.

 

[CHfan1]

How do you compensate all those players for the two or three years of lost professional salaries?

How does the NFL compensate all the players who aren’t allowed into the league until after their 3rd year at college?

And I know the NHL would never change their draft age but I also think it would be better for the league. Also not many players play in the NHL during the season right after their draft.

 

[ottawa]

The entire industry owes their existence to their fans, so in a sense he does.

The team owes it's existence to the fans. If the fanbase support is strong, then the team will have the revenue to be able to spend to the cap...and if it's not, it'll play in a college arena in front of a maximum capacity of 5,000 fans.

Players don't owe anyone shit, their contract is with the team only, not with you.

 

[RyderRocks73]

It's not about degree, just a bad argument as the assertion isn't true. I get your point, but you could say this differently without resorting to a bad argumentation.

It also belies the reality where a player might actually feel this way which is entirely possible. We come in all shapes and sizes.

There's no gotcha, so you can stop playing the victim. I simply think you used a bad argument. Deal with it or not and move on.

Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

 

[BenchBrawl]

As long as we pick bottom 8 next year, we're likely to get a prospect at least comparable with the top 4 this year but most likely better. If we pick top 5, we are 100% getting a better player than anyone in this draft class.

In theory.

As far as I'm concerned, if we don't get Bedard or Michkov, we don't know what we're getting. Every draft in history is full of players inside the Top 5 who never became what they were supposed to be, and often bust completely.

Getting a Top 2 pick this year is crucial. We're in a good position to tank, and such prospects as Bedard and Michkov may not come around for another 10 years, maybe more. With those two, you know you're getting the goods. I don't care about Michkov's risk, you pick him at #2 no matter what. Teams without courage don't deserve to win.