Kent Hughes & Jeff Gorton General Discussion Thread - The Honeymoon Is Over

[Richiebottles]

Report is that Lapointe isn't going anywhere. Seems that he has great chemistry with people in place. Remains to be seen.

That's where we will fail. They need to clean house from top to bottom.

I really don't understand how Timmins & MB get booted and Lapointe stays.

As long as he is here drafting won't change.

 

[Canadiens Ghost]

So where are all the people who claimed to know everything about who the pick would be? “Slaf is garbage blah blah blah” “Wright is literally better in every aspect of the game” thank god y’all don’t work for the team

They haven't even played one game yet in the NHL. Those people may end up being right and HuGo wrong.
Just saying because I don't have a dog in this fight.

 

[Merci Saku]

Overall, I rate this draft a c.

That’s just being too emotional and a bit niaiseux

They got the best prospect available in Slafkovsky plus Mesar, Beck, Hudson

That’s solid B+

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

That's where we will fail. They need to clean house from top to bottom.

I really don't understand how Timmins & MB get booted and Lapointe stays.

As long as he is here drafting won't change.

Seeing the eyesore he was wearing yesterday, we can assume Bergevin had a lot of influence on him.

 

[Nedved]

That’s just being too emotional and a bit niaiseux

They got the best prospect available in Slafkovsky plus Mesar, Beck, Hudson

That’s solid B+

I disagree, obviously, and I don’t think we are anywhere closer to being a better team with this draft. We’re still years away and we drafted a lot of boom bust picks with the four names you just gave me. Slafkovsky becoming a 2nd line winger is a bust. The other 3 might not make it. I’m excited about hutson though. It’s pretty average when you think about where we had picks in this draft.

 

[OldCraig71]

Seeing the eyesore he was wearing yesterday, we can assume Bergevin had a lot of influence on him.

Did you see the Arizona suits? LOL, the GM also mentioned that it was his idea and that we would see more of it in the future. Bergevin was a clown but that is a clown franchise, I feel bad for Cooley and the rest of the roster.

 

[McGees]

 

[Richiebottles]

Lapointe giving me BIG TIME Bergevin vibes,

 

[Gustave]

I almost fainted when Bobrov sais it’s hard to find C’s that play the right way, a 200 feet game… geeeezzzzzussss Shane Wright and Cooley were right there….

 

[HitHard]

Lapointe giving me BIG TIME Bergevin vibes,

Got the same suit style too.

 

[Merci Saku]

I disagree, obviously, and I don’t think we are anywhere closer to being a better team with this draft. We’re still years away and we drafted a lot of boom bust picks with the four names you just gave me. Slafkovsky becoming a 2nd line winger is a bust. The other 3 might not make it. I’m excited about hutson though. It’s pretty average when you think about where we had picks in this draft.

Even with all the reasons that makes you hate the draft results, that’s not a C

It’s not like we drafted a late first and a bunch of late picks

Canadiens drafted first overall, a late first, a second and 2 thirds

We’ll see how they developed but it does look good

Typical habs fan that will always find something negative

 

[Nedved]

I almost fainted when Bobrov sais it’s hard to find C’s that play the right way, a 200 feet game… geeeezzzzzussss Shane Wright and Cooley were right there….

I felt like throwing up. It really sounds like Slafkovsky’ tourney is what separated him. f*** me, short sided, youre drafting for the next ten years.

Even with all the reasons that makes you hate the draft results, that’s not a C

It’s not like we drafted a late first and a bunch of late picks

Canadiens drafted first overall, a late first, a second and 2 thirds

We’ll see how they developed but it does look good

Typical habs fan that will always find something negative

okay

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Lapointe and Bobrov are both clowns.
Nothing changed.

The trade deadline was perfect and yet the overall draft like i explained in the other trade has been completely awful in my regards.

No vets traded. Traded a def who was getting better to a center struggling for 3 years. Picked a fast player with no hands as 1st OA. Would rather picked Cooley or Nemec at this point.

 

[Takeru]

The new regime gets time but they don’t automatically get faith and trust.

It’s better for fans to be demanding and tough than yo be complacent and relaxed — ESPECIALLY in the face of them only stripping down so far and then, as of last night, only acquiring massively risky players.

Selling is easy, drafting ridiculous reaches is easy, trading for other team’s cast offs and busts is east. Acquiring a 1C and 1D and building a contender is hard. They haven’t even started doing the hard work, and given the missed opportunity last night, it’s almost as if they’re avoiding it.

Decent viewpoint, after the Bergevin decade I can relate.

Though they were eyebrow raising, final judgment on those moves will take some time, as you've said.
I won't throw the stone yet, as I don't have access to all the info they hopefully used to base those moves on.

If it turns out with those guys busting hard, and that mgmt didn't properly do their homework preceding these moves, they'll get roasted for it and deservedly so.

As for building a team, it won't happen over a single draft night. We can only hope they've advanced us on the track rather than went backwards.

 

[The Last Red]

I disagree, obviously, and I don’t think we are anywhere closer to being a better team with this draft. We’re still years away and we drafted a lot of boom bust picks with the four names you just gave me. Slafkovsky becoming a 2nd line winger is a bust. The other 3 might not make it. I’m excited about hutson though. It’s pretty average when you think about where we had picks in this draft.

Anyway . . .

 

[Habs Icing]

Seeing the eyesore he was wearing yesterday, we can assume Bergevin had a lot of influence on him.

Or vice versa.

 

[Takeru]

Hughes and Gorton just painted themselves and their addition in a corner at this draft and just added a ton of pressure on the players they added to this formation.

After the last 10 years, Habs fans don't have patience for maybes.....for the usual "wait 3 years before judging'' as we did with Galchenyuk, Drouin and KK.

Slafkovsky need to be better than Wright
Dach need to be better than Nazar and or Romanov.

If they don't and I mean, next year.....the pressure will keep on mounting and the pressure will crush them as it did many other prospects.

I hope it does work out, but my level of certainty of everything working out is VERY low.

If anything, they've at least shown they won't base their decisions around popular opinion, which is the way to go when building a franchise imo. Gotta have the balls to make those unpopular decisions sometimes.

Now whether that's for the better or the worse in this specific case, no one can tell for sure today, only time will tell. They might come out geniuses or look like utter fools.

Fair point you're stating too, the patience is probably at its thinnest after the numerous Bergevin fiascos.

There is at least hope for two things:
-HuGo have better acumen at targeting the "proper" reaches and reclamation projects.
-Otherwise, they'll be decently proactive in recouping assets when those gambles don't pan out.

 

[Habs Icing]

I disagree, obviously, and I don’t think we are anywhere closer to being a better team with this draft. We’re still years away and we drafted a lot of boom bust picks with the four names you just gave me. Slafkovsky becoming a 2nd line winger is a bust. The other 3 might not make it. I’m excited about hutson though. It’s pretty average when you think about where we had picks in this draft.

I don't know.

If just Slaf and Dach deliver we've improved immensely and we'll be calling Hugo geniuses. You have two huge fast and skilled forwards. How can you go wrong? Well, let me tell you. Dach does his best imitation of KK and never progresses and Slaf becomes a mirage.

Hugo gambled and gambled big. I think they're trying to build The Avs north. I'm divided. I don't know if they fleeced or were fleeced.

 

[Gustave]

So they went for Beck early because C’s and D’s were going very fast… yet came up with wingers with two first round picks.

Ok.

 

[salbutera]

Free agency? We need to get rid of contracts not sign people...

I expect considerably demand for Petry & Dvorak

 

[morhilane]

So they went for Beck early because C’s and D’s were going very fast… yet came up with wingers with two first round picks.

Ok.

Mesar prefers playing center.

 

[salbutera]

Shows Hughes and Gorton decided the big problem was lack of size, and the habs have a bunch of small guys. No one should really be ready next year so they can tank big time.

Hughes post day 1 draft presser: “I don’t foresee a line of Sean Farrell, Mesar, and Caufield. To put Farrell in a position to succeed, there needs to be some size accompanying him…”

 

[Gustave]

Mesar prefers playing center.

Bobrov hopes for him to be able to play center, so not a sure thing and usually natural centers don’t flip flop from wing to C.

 

[salbutera]

That's where we will fail. They need to clean house from top to bottom.

I really don't understand how Timmins & MB get booted and Lapointe stays.

As long as he is here drafting won't change.

Lapointe and Gorton have a strong relationship from Bruins days. Lapointe had Bergeron live with him and is credited with nurturing his growth.

 

[HostileCapSpace]

He also had an obsession with size though (Tinordi, McCarron, Kassian, Bourque)

Yet he's the GM who finally picked Caufield.