Confirmed with Link: Keith Yandle Signs One Year Deal With Flyers ($900K W/ NTC)

[Ghosts Beer]

They are not equal defensively, which seems to be your claim. They are not equal players just because you think they share an archetype. This is a lazier analysis than using wins and losses to judge a skater.

Simple question: Would you prefer to have Ghost at $4.25M or Yandle at $900k?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Simple question: Would you prefer to have Ghost at $4.25M or Yandle at $900k?

Ghost, because he is a net positive and not a net negative like Yandle. Good players are better than bad players.

 

[Adtar02]

This is another pos signing.

 

[KrazyKat]

Thompson and Jones singings I hate.

Thompson could be a fill in that knows the system that can fill in for Lasczynski who seems injury prone. He also had a good year for the Jets. Still hate him though.

Jones used to be a decent goalie but seems pretty useless recently. But it can’t be much worse than Elliott. I would have preferred Holtby.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Ghost, because he is a net positive and not a net negative like Yandle. Good players are better than bad players.

Insanity.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Insanity.

It's insane to prefer a better dman?

 

[HartOfPhilly]

How many players with 3 years or less service will be on our opening night roster ? How many have the last 10 Stanley cup champions averaged on their final roster ?

Developing youth is how you get good and stay good. I guess we want to do neither.

 

[dingbathero]

How many players with 3 years or less service will be on our opening night roster ? How many have the last 10 Stanley cup champions averaged on their final roster ?

Developing youth is how you get good and stay good. I guess we want to do neither.

Get your brain out of here.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

They are not equal defensively, which seems to be your claim. They are not equal players just because you think they share an archetype. This is a lazier analysis than using wins and losses to judge a skater.

why do you do this to yourself Beef?

 

[Starat327]

How many players with 3 years or less service will be on our opening night roster ? How many have the last 10 Stanley cup champions averaged on their final roster ?

Developing youth is how you get good and stay good. I guess we want to do neither.

How many employ bottom 5% players in their position and have them play regular minutes?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

It's insane to prefer a better dman?

Even if you think Ghost is the better d-man, to prefer him at $4.25M over Yandle at $900k is insane.

The differences are negligible, even if you want to argue that Ghost is “better” defensively (I disagree; I think they equally suck).

 

[Beef Invictus]

Even if you think Ghost is the better d-man, to prefer him at $4.25M over Yandle at $900k is insane.

The differences are negligible, even if you want to argue that Ghost is “better” defensively (I disagree; I think they equally suck).

Not negligible.

Similarly, there are many forwards I will take over Thompson at 800k. Paying more for a good player is better than paying less for a bad player.

Ideally you pay less for a good player, but the team hasn't consistently found those diamonds in the rough since the early 2010s

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Not negligible.

Similarly, there are many forwards I will take over Thompson at 800k. Paying more for a good player is better than paying less for a bad player.

Ideally you pay less for a good player, but the team hasn't consistently found those diamonds in the rough since the early 2010s

Yeah, it’s negligible. I’m pretty sure more people would take Yandle over Ghost, or at least it would be around 50/50, & one makes $900k & the other $4.25M.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Yeah, it’s negligible. I’m pretty sure more people would take Yandle over Ghost, or at least it would be around 50/50, & one makes $900k & the other $4.25M.

OK. Not sure what that would establish.

I maintain that a good player at fair price is better than a bad player for cheap. Bad players don't make you good, no matter how cheap they are.

 

[Tripod]

Crazy that this was likely the best signing out of 3 the last 2 days.

I am going to bed.

 

[deadhead]

Problem is there's a cap.
The only veterans available at the minimum are players who've been waived and will take any offer and veterans at the end of their career with limited options.
Players only take those kind of deals when there's little else on the table.

And the reason you add these guys is you don't want prospects sitting in the press box as your #7 D-man or #13 forward, you want them in the AHL, b/c it's only a day or two to call them up if needed, meanwhile they can get PT.

 

[HartOfPhilly]

Yeah, it’s negligible. I’m pretty sure more people would take Yandle over Ghost, or at least it would be around 50/50, & one makes $900k & the other $4.25M.

What analytics or eye test tell us (both tell the same story) is that yandle skills have severely diminished and he's a signing in tune to the final year of mark Streit. Ghost was actually a positive player the past 2 seasons. It's not even close to who the better player is and who I'd rather have on this team. I was fine dumping ghost when I thought York was the replacement. I even talked myself into risto ellis.

Thompson has lost so many steps he's an absolute liability against contenders with speed aka most the east. And we've already seen AV loved to over use him. Even over our top 6 forwards. He's an AV crutch which is why he's a bad pick up. I could of lived with a veteran 4c or a 13th forward that could at least skate. Thompson is finished.

Then you got a bad goalie who is in fact a bad goalie. The explanation that Dillabaugh who hasn't coached him in almost a decade and less games will fix him is a flawed theory. Especially when our defense has not proven to be any better, yet. Our system is exactly the same. An assumption of a bounce back from 2 goalies who struggled last year is a large bet.

In the process we are staring at an opening night roster with 3 maybe 4 guys with 3 or less years of service. Which means our avenues to move big contracts out over the next few years cause youth could backfill just feels like a further pipe dream.

Just makes no sense. Hope I'm 110% wrong. But I don't understand it today.

 

[Starat327]

Problem is there's a cap.
The only veterans available at the minimum are players who've been waived and will take any offer and veterans at the end of their career with limited options.
Players only take those kind of deals when there's little else on the table.

And the reason you add these guys is you don't want prospects sitting in the press box as your #7 D-man or #13 forward, you want them in the AHL, b/c it's only a day or two to call them up if needed, meanwhile they can get PT.

You said this before. Then Nate when on to play like 13 of 1r playoff games. He wasn't signed as a 13th forward. He was signed to play, and we all know it.

 

[deadhead]

You said this before. Then Nate when on to play like 13 of 1r playoff games. He wasn't signed as a 13th forward. He was signed to play, and we all know it.

That was two years ago. This is now. He was paid double two years ago, he signed this contract knowing he'd probably be benched most of the year - the alternative was a similar role on another team.

 

[HartOfPhilly]

That was two years ago. This is now. He was paid double two years ago, he signed this contract knowing he'd probably be benched most of the year - the alternative was a similar role on another team.

Assuming hart and sanheim take up at least 7 million in cap space and that we retain bunny. Which is a fair assumption comparable (Carlo for sanheim and vasi's bridge deal at this age) we will only have a spot for 1 kid. My hedge is that's Allison at 3RW. Bunny Thompson would have to pass through waivers which I don't see AV risking his crutches.

 

[Beef Invictus]

That was two years ago. This is now. He was paid double two years ago, he signed this contract knowing he'd probably be benched most of the year - the alternative was a similar role on another team.

You aren't thinking like the Flyers. Remember, AV and Fletcher have pegged team defense as the chief woe.

They see Thompson as a defensive staple. That's how AV saw him last time he was here. They don't care about age. They're getting the band back together.

 

[The Madrigal]

Yandle has more PP points than Ghost has total points over the last three seasons. Yandle is averaging 54 points per 82 games over that time period to Ghost's 35. They are both 3rd pairing/PP specialists. I said this long before the offseason during a Ghost conversation. Yandle is what Ghost could have been had he stayed healthy and continued to get 50 plus points a year which he hasn't done in years. The real kicker is this, Ghost makes 4.5 million, Yandle 900K. Some people simply cannot help themselves.

 

[Starat327]

That was two years ago. This is now. He was paid double two years ago, he signed this contract knowing he'd probably be benched most of the year - the alternative was a similar role on another team.

He was signed to that contract by another team. We acquired it, willfully.

He left here, then went on to sign a deal worth only 60% of that deal the next year. The fall off was real, and everyone knows it. Except AV, who is making him his Tanner Glass.

I got a great bottle of bourbon that says he dresses more than 50 games this year. You in?

 

[HartOfPhilly]

Yandle has more PP points than Ghost has total points over the last three seasons. Yandle is averaging 54 points per 82 games over that time period to Ghost's 35. They are both 3rd pairing/PP specialists. I said this long before the offseason during a Ghost conversation. Yandle is what Ghost could have been had he stayed healthy and continued to get 50 plus points a year which he hasn't done in years. The real kicker is this, Ghost makes 4.5 million, Yandle 900K. Some people simply cannot help themselves.

18 of his 27 points last year came on one of the nhl most lethal pp on one the nhl best teams. Of his 24 assists 16 were secondary. Ghost had 20 points, 9 being on the pp. And had 6 more goals than yandle. Not to mention yandle even strength analytics are God awful while ghost are all positive. Stop this narrative. It's flat out wrong.

 

[The Madrigal]

Even if you think Ghost is the better d-man, to prefer him at $4.25M over Yandle at $900k is insane.

The differences are negligible, even if you want to argue that Ghost is “better” defensively (I disagree; I think they equally suck).

Yandle has outproduced Ghost by a wide margin for a few years now. He is quite simply a better version of Ghost at a fraction of the cost even if Ghost is better defensively which is extremely debatable. Neither one ha has a role in this league because they are defensive stalwarts. Ignoring the fact that Yandle is significantly more productive and ignoring the difference in aav from 4.5 million to 900K is laughable.