Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Starat327]

From the same mouth as someone who prefers to win one Cup over multiple Cups.

BuT wE woN iT thE riGht wAy

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

This is what they’re going to do. It’s not going to work because the team is terrible and the fanbase at large hates everything about the organization.

Build a winner and that’s all that matters.

 

[Starat327]

yeah ok, all because we lost the finals, it means just blow everything that worked and go a different direction, how does it feel being here? to you im fine, let's do that again and be stuck again because i hate having formers flyers in the front office even though it got us to the finals twice and in playoff contention for over a decade.


but to you i would be stuck in the lottery over a decade hiring more bad fo people than hiring great hockey people that arent former flyers.

We were in the finals because we were riding now illegal contracts and overpaying UFAs because of a lack of a cap structure.

There's a reason this team hasn't been successful, and it's because they think they can still spend their way out of things when they can't. That's an internally held philosophy that wont change until the internals do.

 

[Rebels57]

Hahahaha I cant believe they actually did this.

 

[Jack Straw]

There's no way I beat @Magua to this, but I'm doing it anyway.

There's an aphorism in computer science that goes, "Garbage in, garbage out." The Flyers put Billy King in and things went predictably.

Wait, WHAT?

 

[Rebels57]

Wait, WHAT?

Yeah they did that

Also

 

[Embiid]

I'm not even sure what level of stupidity is required to go the " we need internals!" Route.

We've been doing that for multiple decades and it hasn't worked. Let go of your nostalgia and embrace the idea that you dont have to be some sloppy cult hero who played a few games for a team to be their executive. The ideology is as dated as the hockey you'd prefer to watch.

Is there an organization in all of hockey that is as confident in their incompetence particularly over the past decade than the Philadelphia Flounders?

 

[Starat327]

Is there an organization in all of hockey that is as confident in their incompetence particularly over the past decade than the Philadelphia Flounders?

Enjoy your lottery tickets bud, we got the sure thing of failure to look forward to, but its OK because the people causing it played for the team once.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Yeah they did that

Also

Buy the media. They already own the TV broadcast company so they can control the narrative there so now they’ve moved onto radio.

How to install a totalitarian regime 101.

 

[flyersnorth]

Does this mean we'll be getting MORE Hartnell on broadcasts??

Ugh. Make it stop.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Does this mean we'll be getting MORE Hartnell on broadcasts??

Ugh. Make it stop.

Nah, probably more Jones.

They’ll want him front and center to “Tell The Story” and they’ll play it off as some new wave idea of integrating the front office with the fans. First of it’s kind and all that.

 

[snoop88]

This is what they’re going to do. It’s not going to work because the team is terrible and the fanbase at large hates everything about the organization.

Build a winner and that’s all that matters.

This is 100% it. The Flyers organization takeaway from the last few years was that Dave Scott was an uncharismatic “non-hockey” guy. And that’s why fans hated the organization.

“Jonsey” will be on every local radio and tv show yucking it up and cracking jokes.

It’s a stupid takeaway, but that’s what they’re going with.

 

[flyersnorth]

Nah, probably more Jones.

They’ll want him front and center to “Tell The Story” and they’ll play it off as some new wave idea of integrating the front office with the fans. First of it’s kind and all that.

But he won't still be doing games, will he?

 

[BernieParent]

Titles mean nothing, see how many companies have numerous Vice Presidents who are glorified middle managers.

As I pointed out, Colorado did the exact same thing with Sakic, gave him total control after two years as an advisor, first as assistant President then as GM. The GM his first year had no authority over personnel. Titles don't matter, only authority. And that is granted by the "boss," in this case Hilferty.

Why have a President of Ops? I think Jones is a placeholder, keeping the seat warm if things don't work out with Briere/Torts, Hilferty might bring in a real President and give him the authority to hire a GM and HC. But that won't happen for 3 more years.

In the end it doesn't matter, you can hire a President who looks good on paper but screws up everything (like half the franchises in the NHL), or maybe Briere is the real thing and after he rebuilds the Flyers, moves up to President and hires a GM who is basically his lackey.

In either case, you usually don't know for a few years (occassionally someone implodes their first year, like the GM who followed Fletcher in Minn, but that's rare).

So it's agreed. Tortorella is running everything.

 

[DancingPanther]

Self fellating. Entitlement. Stolen valor. Misplaced sense of self righteousness.

 

[Beef Invictus]

This is what I've been saying! It's very clear their purpose isn't winning. Their purpose is making the cronies feel important. This team is their plaything. Their hobby. They want to do it their way, and the important thing is that they feel like they matter.

There's no other reason for this insane and stripped down power structure except to make their input more needed, since by default there's nobody else to talk to.

 

[Beef Invictus]

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Self fellating. Entitlement. Stolen valor. Misplaced sense of self righteousness.

That's embarrassing. They shouldn't have said anything.

 

[DancingPanther]

There's no way I beat @Magua to this, but I'm doing it anyway.

There's an aphorism in computer science that goes, "Garbage in, garbage out." The Flyers put Billy King in and things went predictably.

I hope you're well. Remember to be like Tom

 

[GKJ]

lol, they said ‘ass’

 

[Beef Invictus]

If they're already decided on their long-term strategy, and Briere is going to be GM, what exactly would a President of Ops do? Reverse what's already been decided?

This is a nothing burger, b/c the President is a nothing job right now.

The people bitching are the ones who wanted a new President to demote Briere and fire Torts.
Of course, the probability of that happening was zero.

You claim absolutely everything the team has done for the last decade is a nothing burger absolutely everything.

If that's true why have all the nothings added up to make the team drastically worse?

 

[Lord Defect]

Is there anyone with a functioning brain that can come up with one positive thing coming from Jonesy being president of hockey operations?

 

[Beef Invictus]

Titles mean nothing, see how many companies have numerous Vice Presidents who are glorified middle managers.

As I pointed out, Colorado did the exact same thing with Sakic, gave him total control after two years as an advisor, first as assistant President then as GM. The GM his first year had no authority over personnel. Titles don't matter, only authority. And that is granted by the "boss," in this case Hilferty.

Why have a President of Ops? I think Jones is a placeholder, keeping the seat warm if things don't work out with Briere/Torts, Hilferty might bring in a real President and give him the authority to hire a GM and HC. But that won't happen for 3 more years.

In the end it doesn't matter, you can hire a President who looks good on paper but screws up everything (like half the franchises in the NHL), or maybe Briere is the real thing and after he rebuilds the Flyers, moves up to President and hires a GM who is basically his lackey.

In either case, you usually don't know for a few years (occassionally someone implodes their first year, like the GM who followed Fletcher in Minn, but that's rare).

Briere isn't Sakic. Please done compare this organization to a successful one. Their peers are not at the top of the league.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I don't get the seeming sudden fascination with the President role.

The GM has always been the guy in charge. That was Clarke. That was Hextall. That was Chuck. Now it's Briere.

When Hextall got appointed GM, Holmgren got named President for a while. It was a token. He had no power. He wasn't running the team.

What we have now are fans basically clamoring for a new GM. That's what this is about. You don't like Briere and Torts.

Well, Briere and Torts are running the team.

And frankly, I think Jones is perfect for not overstepping into personnel, but also being a sounding board everyone respects.

"Sudden" fascination? Where have you been since six months after Fletcher was hired?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

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Self fellating. Entitlement. Stolen valor. Misplaced sense of self righteousness.

The rebuild is over.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

But he won't still be doing games, will he?

What better way for him to control the narrative?