Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Ghosts Beer]

The people bitching are the ones who wanted a new President to demote Briere and fire Torts.

This. It's that simple.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I don't get the seeming sudden fascination with the President role.

The GM has always been the guy in charge. That was Clarke. That was Hextall. That was Chuck. Now it's Briere.

When Hextall got appointed GM, Holmgren got named President for a while. It was a token. He had no power. He wasn't running the team.

What we have now are fans basically clamoring for a new GM. That's what this is about. You don't like Briere and Torts.

Well, Briere and Torts are running the team.

And frankly, I think Jones is perfect for not overstepping into personnel, but also being a sounding board everyone respects.

 

[pooch]

How is anyone supposed to be excited about our future when we have 2 ex-Flyers and a douchebag running the show? This is the best they could come up with to turn this thing around. Wow. I'm at a loss.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

How is anyone supposed to be excited about our future when we have 2 ex-Flyers and a douchebag running the show? This is the best they could come up with to turn this thing around. Wow. I'm at a loss.

I'll reply, since I woke up at 2 AM.

They weren't hiring a de facto GM. That's what a lot of posters wanted, but it's not what the Flyers wanted. They trust Briere and Torts.

So, if you aren't hiring a de facto GM, that removes a lot of names. People like Shero, Treliving, etc. who have had personnel control and of course crave it again. Or Mellanby, who wants to be a GM.

If you aren't hiring for personnel control, who are you hiring? Well, someone who won't try to bully Briere and Torts, for one, and someone who is likable and has a ton of leaguewide connections. That's Keith Jones. Everyone in the NHL knows Keith Jones. Everyone likes Keith Jones. He's watched the Flyers closely, and the NHL closely, for almost two decades. He'll give his opinion without being a dictator. People think he's a jester, like Coatesy. He's not. This is a guy who acted as his own agent, and though he's known for his sense of humor, he's sharp. Some discredit him for liking Ristolainen, but he liked Montour, too.

I think the Flyers did well here finding a smart voice who won't trample over personnel but will provide good input while also being a face of the team.

 

[pooch]

I'll reply, since I woke up at 2 AM.

They weren't hiring a de facto GM. That's what a lot of posters wanted, but it's not what the Flyers wanted. They trust Briere and Torts.

So, if you aren't hiring a de facto GM, that removes a lot of names. People like Shero, Treliving, etc. who have had personnel control and of course crave it again. Or Mellanby, who wants to be a GM.

If you aren't hiring for personnel control, who are you hiring? Well, someone who won't try to bully Briere and Torts, for one, and someone who is likable and has a ton of leaguewide connections. That's Keith Jones. Everyone in the NHL knows Keith Jones. Everyone likes Keith Jones. He's watched the Flyers closely, and the NHL closely, for almost two decades. He'll give his opinion without being a dictator. People think he's a jester, like Coatesy. He's not. This is a guy who acted as his own agent, and though he's known for his sense of humor, he's sharp. Some discredit him for liking Ristolainen, but he liked Montour, too.

I think the Flyers did well here finding a smart voice who won't trample over personnel but will provide good input while also being a face of the team.

I think the disconnect is that you are looking at this from the Flyers perspective and how they wanted to approach it, which you are fine with but most others are not (at least on here). Everyone else is looking at this approach and are not the least bit enamored by any of this. Briere, Torts and Jones as the brain trust going forward does not instill much confidence. We will see how it plays out, but this group definitely does not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

I think the disconnect is that you are looking at this from the Flyers perspective and how they wanted to approach it, which you are fine with but most others are not (at least on here). Everyone else is looking at this approach and are not the least bit enamored by any of this. Briere, Torts and Jones as the brain trust going forward does not instill much confidence. We will see how it plays out, but this group definitely does not get the benefit of the doubt from me. Hope I'm wrong.

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think most posters are looking at it from what they want, instead of Hilferty's perspective.

Hilerty's perspective is Torts and Briere are in charge.

I agree with Hilferty. I don't want Doug Wilson or Scott Mellanby as the de facto GM. I want Torts and Briere making decisions.

 

[ellja3]

They have a sign in the HR office: "Have Been a F***ing Flyer"

Nah, it's what it says with white font in all their job ads.

After waking up to CHI winning lottery, now Jones officially confirmed as Flyers president... Don't wanna risk going to sleep tonight. What's next?

 

[Gregor Samsa]

Nah, it's what it says with white font in all their job ads.

After waking up to CHI winning lottery, now Jones officially confirmed as Flyers president... Don't wanna risk going to sleep tonight. What's next?

A Gauthier head injury from the hit he took recently

 

[smokey]

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think most posters are looking at it from what they want, instead of Hilferty's perspective.

Hilerty's perspective is Torts and Briere are in charge.

I agree with Hilferty. I don't want Doug Wilson or Scott Mellanby as the de facto GM. I want Torts and Briere making decisions.

The problem with Torts making any decisions is that the team is expected to tank for a good few years, so why would you bring in players HE likes? By the time the team is ready to push for a po-spot and a head coach would be in a position to ask for certain players, I'm assuming Torts is long gone by then. I mean is he really willing to just go along with the rebuild, "playing the kids" etc., knowing he'll never get the chance to see any of it come to fruition.

 

[Starat327]

The problem with Torts making any decisions is that the team is expected to tank for a good few years, so why would you bring in players HE likes? By the time the team is ready to push for a po-spot and a head coach would be in a position to ask for certain players, I'm assuming Torts is long gone by then. I mean is he really willing to just go along with the rebuild, "playing the kids" etc., knowing he'll never get the chance to see any of it come to fruition.

Haven't you heard? John Tortorella is an excellent coach who is going to stack the team with youth, Skill, and speed, despite clearly and explicitly stating otherwise on multiple occasions.

 

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[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm not disagreeing with you. But I think most posters are looking at it from what they want, instead of Hilferty's perspective.

Hilerty's perspective is Torts and Briere are in charge.

I agree with Hilferty. I don't want Doug Wilson or Scott Mellanby as the de facto GM. I want Torts and Briere making decisions.

What we want is an organization that shows the slightest inkling of competence. What we get is an organization that shows they can’t even spell that word.

You do realize that they could have hired someone to assist Briere and Tortorella, right? Hell, it’s rumored they interviewed John Chayka. That would have been a completely reasonable thought process with the Flyers analytic department.

The Flyers organization isn’t going to date you. You don’t need to defend everything they do. Although I guess this hiring proves that if you spew enough propaganda and defend the shield long enough you’ll get hired.

 

[Starat327]

What we want is an organization that shows the slightest inkling of competence. What we get is an organization that shows they can’t even spell that word.

You do realize that they could have hired someone to assist Briere and Tortorella, right? Hell, it’s rumored they interviewed John Chayka. That would have been a completely reasonable thought process with the Flyers analytic department.

The Flyers organization isn’t going to date you. You don’t need to defend everything they do. Although I guess this hiring proves that if you spew enough propaganda and defend the shield long enough you’ll get hired.

Not with this attitude they won't.

 

[Tripod]

The GM'S run the team....until they don't. Then the President of Hovkey Ops does to replace that GM.

We wanted change. Real change. A new look Flyers that we could see getting with the present decade and beyond.

Instead, we got a new GM and new POHO's who both have no NHL experience in their jobs and both are former Flyers. The incest continues.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

The GM'S run the team....until they don't. Then the President of Hovkey Ops does to replace that GM.

We wanted change. Real change. A new look Flyers that we could see getting with the present decade and beyond.

Instead, we got a new GM and new POHO's who both have no NHL experience in their jobs and both are former Flyers. The incest continues.

Not even JUST former Flyers. They’re former Flyers that are already employed by the team.

There’s nothing from the outside coming to help turn things around. We’re getting the same crew that got us into this situation sans Fletcher. It will not work and we’ve already been shown that.

Anyone that defends this process is either a contrarian or views being a sports fan like they’re five years old.

 

[Starat327]

Ya know, after seeing the terrible candidates the Flyers have appointed to undeserved positions lately, I actually feel a little better about Chelsea appointing Pochettino.

I didn't think id ever come around to that idea, but here we are.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

I don't get the seeming sudden fascination with the President role.

The GM has always been the guy in charge. That was Clarke. That was Hextall. That was Chuck. Now it's Briere.

When Hextall got appointed GM, Holmgren got named President for a while. It was a token. He had no power. He wasn't running the team.

What we have now are fans basically clamoring for a new GM. That's what this is about. You don't like Briere and Torts.

Well, Briere and Torts are running the team.

And frankly, I think Jones is perfect for not overstepping into personnel, but also being a sounding board everyone respects.

I get this point, but we have a GM with no NHL MGMT exp, and now we hired our color commentator also with no NHL MGMT expt to be our President after years of Flyers alumni unnecessarily being involved and meddling.

Jones might be good at the job, but when there are noteworthy rumblings about the Flyers alumni running the show, how does this look for the org? I just can't believe they didn't hire externally for optics purposes only.

 

[ellja3]

Nah, it's what it says with white font in all their job ads.

After waking up to CHI winning lottery, now Jones officially confirmed as Flyers president... Don't wanna risk going to sleep tonight. What's next?

Sounds extremely credible.

 

[tucson83]

I get this point, but we have a GM with no NHL MGMT exp, and now we hired our color commentator also with no NHL MGMT expt to be our President after years of Flyers alumni unnecessarily being involved and meddling.

Jones might be good at the job, but when there are noteworthy rumblings about the Flyers alumni running the show, how does this look for the org? I just can't believe they didn't hire externally for optics purposes only.

put it this way, would you rather hire outside people that are bad at their jobs, wont get along, wont listen to anyone like we had with hextall and fletch or have people that are will get along, understand what it takes to win in today's nhl?

because like everything else just because you hire assistants from great teams like we did with hextall, it doesnt mean we will win a cup, they probably have their own ways of doing things.

 

[SuchySays]

This is hilarious.

I thought of you guys first when I saw the rumors. Almost meltdown mode here as usual.

 

[Starat327]

put it this way, would you rather hire outside people that are bad at their jobs, wont get along, wont listen to anyone like we had with hextall and fletch or have people that are will get along, understand what it takes to win in today's nhl?

because like everything else just because you hire assistants from great teams like we did with hextall, it doesnt mean we will win a cup, they probably have their own ways of doing things.

Keith Jones doesn't understand what it takes to win in today's NHL. Neither does Tortorella, which is why he hasn't won anything.

Give me the unknown over the known failure.

You also have no idea of Jones will get along with Briere and Tortorella. Just because they work for the same organization, doesn't mean they are besties.

Your constant strawman arguments are tired at this point. Get a new angle.

 

[usahockey22flyers]

put it this way, would you rather hire outside people that are bad at their jobs, wont get along, wont listen to anyone like we had with hextall and fletch or have people that are will get along, understand what it takes to win in today's nhl?

because like everything else just because you hire assistants from great teams like we did with hextall, it doesnt mean we will win a cup, they probably have their own ways of doing things.

To be fair, Fletcher was ultra collaborative and well liked in the organization. I’ve never heard anyone say a bad word about him, he’s a good guy. Just sucked at his job.

Keith Jones has been a Flyers/Philadelphia staple since he’s gotten here. He’s been on our TV or on our radio, he’s clearly looped in with the pre-Dan Hil brass. That’s my problem. Not the normal Flyer cronies hire we’re used to seeing, but one that is 25 years younger.

Briere and Jones, I really thought that we’d go external on at least one of the 2 positions, I’m embarrassed that I even thought that

 

[Starat327]

I'm not even sure what level of stupidity is required to go the " we need internals!" Route.

We've been doing that for multiple decades and it hasn't worked. Let go of your nostalgia and embrace the idea that you dont have to be some sloppy cult hero who played a few games for a team to be their executive. The ideology is as dated as the hockey you'd prefer to watch.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

I'm not even sure what level of stupidity is required to go the " we need internals!" Route.

We've been doing that for multiple decades and it hasn't worked. Let go of your nostalgia and embrace the idea that you sont have to be some sloppy cult her who played a few games for a team to be their executive. The ideology is as dated as the hockey you'd prefer to watch.

From the same mouth as someone who prefers to win one Cup over multiple Cups.

 

[tucson83]

I'm not even sure what level of stupidity is required to go the " we need internals!" Route.

We've been doing that for multiple decades and it hasn't worked. Let go of your nostalgia and embrace the idea that you sont have to be some sloppy cult her who played a few games for a team to be their executive. The ideology is as dated as the hockey you'd prefer to watch

yeah ok, all because we lost the finals, it means just blow everything that worked and go a different direction, how does it feel being here? to you im fine, let's do that again and be stuck again because i hate having formers flyers in the front office even though it got us to the finals twice and in playoff contention for over a decade.


but to you i would be stuck in the lottery over a decade hiring more bad fo people than hiring great hockey people that arent former flyers.