Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[tucson83]

People still worship “boy wonder” Dubas, who in 5 years after inheriting a significantly better team couldn’t win more playoff rounds than Chuck, whom they deem a dunce.

Cognitive dissonance.

They can’t detach from their original opinions that Dubas was a genius who was going to dominate the dinosaurs in the NHL with Moneypuck wizardry.

He failed. Why would you rave about and want to hire a guy who couldn’t even outproduce the lowly Chuckles? Because he’s young & wears glasses?

i know, no one understands that gms that build championships dont grow on trees, that's why they are doing it this way and see if it works with briere and jones, they are no clear upgrades to begin with. worse case it doesnt work and a better gm that comes along in a few years and it will get us over the hump.

there's just no clear option.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

At least now you’re being honest that people wanted to hire him.

Even if you’re being dishonest about the power they wanted him to possess.

Yes, the Flyers should have considered hiring Dubas. Yes, the President of Hockey Operations (or even the General Manager) SHOULD have the ability to fire the coach if he wanted.

You don’t think it’s weird that a bunch of candidates didn’t want the job because they weren’t allowed to do that?

This organization and it’s processes aren’t good. They’re outright bad.

With all of that said, not a single person here is asking for one person to hold all of the power over the entire organization.

 

[FLYguy3911]

People forget Chuck Fletcher's team beat literally the worst team to ever qualify for the playoffs to get his series win. And they were outplayed in much of that series.

 

[renberg]

After what Dubas has done with the Leafs, I wouldn’t want him around my franchise. He’s won nothing with one of the highest roster caps in the game. His club now is in cap hell with the only way of getting out of it is going to make some miserably costly trades. On top of that he tossed away some pretty valuable draft choice chips. Then there are the holes on defense, goal and bottom six that need attention. The disarray in the FO is awful. They’re not in much better shape than the Flyers.

 

[Beef Invictus]

After what Dubas has done with the Leafs, I wouldn’t want him around my franchise. He’s won nothing with one of the highest roster caps in the game. His club now is in cap hell with the only way of getting out of it is going to make some miserably costly trades. On top of that he tossed away some pretty valuable draft choice chips. Then there are the holes on defense, goal and bottom six that need attention. The disarray in the FO is awful. They’re not in much better shape than the Flyers.

Remarkable how quickly people forget what it was like in Toronto pre-Dubas. And before he was GM he ran the Marlies and their development.

 

[FlyerNutter]

Here is a fun thought.

Let’s assume the Leafs have had the same amount of success as the Flyers for the last decade.

Would they let themselves rot for years under Fletcher, hire Briere, and make their antiquated HC assistant manager?

Think the Toronto media team would have been so placid?

Craig Simpson for hockey ops president?

The Flyers are bereft of any talent, and play a mind numbing style of hockey they are seemingly proud of. The Leafs are in another league.

 

[Beef Invictus]

@Ghosts Beer who would you prefer to have as GM? Holland or Dubas?

 

[Ghosts Beer]

Dubas’ career, I guess, is a bit like Chuck’s in Minnesota. Running into good opponents early in the playoffs. Granted, Minnesota reached the 2nd round twice.

 

[Flyerfan4life]

yeah but i am the one who doesnt do the reading, lolol

its really not worth your time...

Yes, the Flyers should have considered hiring Dubas. Yes, the President of Hockey Operations (or even the General Manager) SHOULD have the ability to fire the coach if he wanted.

You don’t think it’s weird that a bunch of candidates didn’t want the job because they weren’t allowed to do that?

This organization and it’s processes aren’t good. They’re outright bad.

With all of that said, not a single person here is asking for one person to hold all of the power over the entire organization.

that position is already filled for life by Clarke n the oldbois...

 

[Ghosts Beer]

@Ghosts Beer who would you prefer to have as GM? Holland or Dubas?

What’s the point of the question? They’re both overrated & I wouldn’t hire either.

Who would you prefer to have as GM — Jack Ferreira or Russ Farwell?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Dubas’ career, I guess, is a bit like Chuck’s in Minnesota. Running into good opponents early in the playoffs. Granted, Minnesota reached the 2nd round twice.

Chuck Fletcher’s Wild team’s division finish since the playoff format changed:

13/14: 4th
14/15: 4th
15/16: 5th
16/17: 4th
17/18: 3rd

Kyle Dubas’ teams division finish:
18/19: 3rd
19/20: 3rd
20/21: 1st
21/22: 2nd
22/23: 2nd

Basically the same.

 

[bobbythebrain]

Jonesy and DB will do a good job. Full support moving forward

 

[Starat327]

Chuck Fletcher’s Wild team’s division finish since the playoff format changed:

13/14: 4th
14/15: 4th
15/16: 5th
16/17: 4th
17/18: 3rd

Kyle Dubas’ teams division finish:
18/19: 3rd
19/20: 3rd
20/21: 1st
21/22: 2nd
22/23: 2nd

Basically the same.

Man. What a terrible argument to make. There's maybe 3 GMs I would take over Dubas, and quite honestly, I think there's probably 2 I'd he like "ehhhhh, maybe?" With.

 

[Striiker]

Charlie is such a pathetic dishonest c***



No, that’s not it, you lying prick. Fans are mad because the team is shit, the coaching is shit, the management is shit, the process is shit, the whole franchise philosophy is shit, nothings improving, nothing actually changing, and there’s absolutely no reason for even the tiniest bit of optimism. Being irrelevant would be fine if it was temporary, but this is going to be long term until something forces them to change. The only chance we have is if Briere is secretly competent and ignores every single asshole around him, which is about a 0.0001% chance.

And no, new fans wouldn’t enjoy this period more than long time fans because they “wouldn’t bring that type of baggage”, it would be because they aren't smart enough to understand just how bad things are. The phrase “ignorance is bliss”, comes to mind. The problem isn’t that the “new” guys remind us of the old guys, it’s that the new guys aren’t actually new at all. They’re proven incompetent dinosaurs, just like the others.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Charlie is such a pathetic dishonest c***



No, that’s not it, you lying prick. Fans are mad because the team is shit, the coaching is shit, the management is shit, the process is shit, the whole franchise philosophy is shit, nothings improving, nothing actually changing, and there’s absolutely no reason for even the tiniest bit of optimism. Being irrelevant would be fine if it was temporary, but this is going to be long term until something forces them to change. The only chance we have is if Briere is secretly competent and ignores every single asshole around him, which is about a 0.0001% chance.

And no, new fans wouldn’t enjoy this period more than long time fans because they “wouldn’t bring that type of baggage”, it would be because they aren't smart enough to understand just how bad things are. The phrase “ignorance is bliss”, comes to mind. The problem isn’t that the “new” guys remind us of the old guys, it’s that the new guys aren’t actually new at all. They’re proven incompetent dinosaurs, just like the others.

@JojoTheWhale wrote that article better for me last year.

He said go to games with Thatcher Venmo to see the other teams.

 

[tucson83]

Man. What a terrible argument to make. There's maybe 3 GMs I would take over Dubas, and quite honestly, I think there's probably 2 I'd he like "ehhhhh, maybe?" With.

exactly the reason you dont want to go with these gms because you are not going to get a cup out of them, pretty much first or second round exit and back against the cap again.

 

[Starat327]

exactly the reason you dont want to go with these gms because you are not going to get a cup out of them, pretty much first or second round exit and back against the cap again.

What?
This is in the running for one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. Congratulations.

 

[kudymen]

What?
This is in the running for one of the dumbest things I've ever read here. Congratulations.

Funny thing is it's in the running with many other posts of him hehe

 

[TCTC]

When you have two 1st overall picks, a 4th overall pick, a 5th overall pick, and an 8th overall pick on your team all in their prime and the best you get out of them in 5 years is one second round appearance, your time as the GM was a failure.
People make fun of the Oilers for failing to build a contender, but at least they've won more than one round.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

exactly the reason you dont want to go with these gms because you are not going to get a cup out of them, pretty much first or second round exit and back against the cap again.

No GM is magic, but I also don't see the need to bring in a retread GM who hasn't been particularly successful.

Briere is a smart guy, a rink rat, competitive. Maybe he'll turn out to be a shrewd trader. Maybe he'll have a knack for NHL player evaluation, something the Flyers have been lacking.

Or maybe he'll be another average GM, like most are. I'd rather take the risk, with the possibility of reward, than hire an average retread.

 

[Beef Invictus]

What’s the point of the question? They’re both overrated & I wouldn’t hire either.

Who would you prefer to have as GM — Jack Ferreira or Russ Farwell?

There is a point. You used series wins as an indicator of value. Holland has more series wins. Do you think he's more valuable than Dubas?

 

[Striiker]

Dubas Record (2018-2023) 221-109-42 (.651 point %) - 6th in NHL Record In Season Before Hire 49-26-7 (.640 point %) Playoff Berths 5 of 5 Traded For Ristolainen? No

Fletcher Record (2019-2023) 115-120-37 (.491 point %) - 21st in NHL Record In Season Before Hire 42-26-14 (.598 point %) Playoff Berths 1 of 5 Traded For Ristolainen? Yes

Basically the same person.

 

[Magua]

Some people deserve the Flyers more than others.

 

[Starat327]

I'm so glad I can't read this dumb shit. The only way Fletcher and Dubas belong in thr same sentence is if it's: "Both Fletcher and Dubas used to be GMs in the NHL."

And even then, one of them is going to be hired again pretty quickly. The other, not so much.

 

[Ghosts Beer]

There is a point. You used series wins as an indicator of value. Holland has more series wins. Do you think he's more valuable than Dubas?

For Dubas, series wins (or lack thereof) is an indicator of failure. You disagree?