Confirmed with Link: Keith Jones actually set to be named real life part-time President of Hockey Operations, Danny Briere full-time GM

[Beef Invictus]

I was way too optimistic when I said that failure is the only possibility for this arrangement.

 

[Tripod]

Mgt feels it has the Bullies fans in check. Now hiring players who were last 90's and 2000's in an attempt to secure those fans.

One big circle jerk

 

[FlyerNutter]

Jesus Christ almighty.

It’s really. Sometimes I do think why I bother. It’s obvious the kind of fan this organization cares about.

They have shown us repeatedly.

 

[Tarpongg]

The unintended comedy here is that Torts was brought in as a drill sergeant to squeeze blood from a stone and sneak this team into the playoffs. Now Uncle Torts is the nurturing hand to guide the young pups through a years long rebuild? Lol ok

 

[Beef Invictus]

The amazing thing is that things aren't remotely done getting worse. Things are going to get much, much worse.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It’s frankly, and someone can correct me if I am wrong. A team for fans 45+. That’s not meant as an insult in any way.

It just seems to be the reality.

They don’t give a f*** about the modern game, or trying to attract/cater to a younger demographic outside of marketing attempts.

We heard first hand today what the approach is, what it’s going to be. All our beliefs about the incestous relationships in this organization, all the confirmation about alumni having influence… all that confirmed.

Comcast’s ineptitude on display again.

This was a slap in the face for anyone that had some hope, and isn’t a BSB gobbler.

It sucks. I can’t think of a better way to put it. Sigh.

 

[bennysflyers16]

The amazing thing is that things aren't remotely done getting worse. Things are going to get much, much worse.

Yup ,

The Draft and the type of player they target.
The return on Frost, Sanheim is going to be awful (the President LOATHES them )
The extended role for Risto
Whatever job Nicky D gets with the head office in 3 years

 

[Columbus Hockey Dad]

Meh…I don’t care what they said, or for the doomsday posts here. We’ll find out very quickly (this off-season) whether this is a gigantic mistake or a good choice. I’m willing to wait through these next few months.

 

[bennysflyers16]

It’s frankly, and someone can correct me if I am wrong. A team for fans 45+. That’s not meant as an insult in any way.

It just seems to be the reality.

They don’t give a f*** about the modern game, or trying to attract/cater to a younger demographic outside of marketing attempts.

We heard first hand today what the approach is, what it’s going to be. All our beliefs about the incestous relationships in this organization, all the confirmation about alumni having influence… all that confirmed.

Comcast’s ineptitude on display again.

This was a slap in the face for anyone that had some hope, and isn’t a BSB gobbler.

It sucks. I can’t think of a better way to put it. Sigh.

It sure does, Its no different in Winnipeg with the age they target, its just in Philly the type of hockey they think this demo wants.

Just look at the final 4 teams and you won't see that type of hockey anywhere.

 

[Chinatown88]

Just pour your favorite beverage in a glass/drink it out of a bottle, plop your butt in your favorite chair and sit back to enjoy the upcoming shit show. It's like a TV show, you don't think they can do worse after a bad 2nd season just wait until the 3rd. Then you get to point and laugh at all the people who said you were wrong.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Delusional.

 

[ponder719]

ASF I think is being smart trying to give it a chance. He kind of needs to. I did think he pushed a little with his questions today.

Bundy is going to defend his lot.

Russ was obviously holding back in their last pod. He’s a dummy sometimes, but he knows what a joke this is. He can’t say so in front of the “star” of that podcast.

AFAICT, Bundy is still angling for the opportunity to come in from the cold and get a job with the team again. I imagine he's hoping to leverage the former teammate angle with Jones to get his foot back in the door. (Hell, he might be hoping for Jonesy's old job.)

 

[GKJ]

All anyone had to say.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Jesus Christ almighty.

It’s really. Sometimes I do think why I bother. It’s obvious the kind of fan this organization cares about.

They have shown us repeatedly.

 

[FlyerNutter]

It sure does, Its no different in Winnipeg with the age they target, its just in Philly the type of hockey they think this demo wants.

Just look at the final 4 teams and you won't see that type of hockey anywhere.

They are going to attract younger fans with theme nights, and things like pride nights. I don’t mean that as an insult but it’s naive to think the business side doesn’t see the marketing advantage to those kind of things.

The on ice product. The hockey ops side of things.

It’s not for us, or for me I should say. Today was a buckshot from 5 feet out. They are the lone wolf in the NHL, and proud of it.

 

[ponder719]

All anyone had to say.

Oh, Jesus, Torts, if Sielski of all people can immediately identify and distill the problem down into a single sentence, you know it's blindingly obvious. Just because those passionate, experienced disease vectors happen to like your prickly, arrogant ass doesn't mean they aren't poison.

 

[GKJ]

Oh, Jesus, Torts, if Sielski of all people can immediately identify and distill the problem down into a single sentence, you know it's blindingly obvious. Just because those passionate, experienced disease vectors happen to like your prickly, arrogant ass doesn't mean they aren't poison.

Sielski has been at their throats about this stuff since before Snider died, to the point where it was the specific reason people didn’t like him.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

 

[deadhead]

Meh, typical corporate press conference. What did you expect them to say? We hired the best Flyer alumni we could find?

But did notice that Hilferty committed to the rebuild and said it was going to take years (plural). No "aggressive reload." No pretense of being competitive.
That's a huge change from the last decade.

Camillo in talking about Briere mentioned analytics and his analytical mind - I think that's one reason they wanted him to go to Wharton, to get exposed to business statistics, finance, etc. Not just for the business side, contract negotiations, etc., but also when he talks to analytics people he can actually speak their language (if you don't have any statistical background, the two reactions to analytics is either to dismiss them out of hand or blindly accept them as "magic").

The advisors may have thought Torts was a turnaround artist (that's Gallant), but he's comfortable with young players, they're just not comfortable with him, as it should be - tell Stoutland you have to coddle today's generation of players. I think a player you have to coddle (i.e. lacks the competitive fire and swagger to step up in big games) is called "trade bait."

I have no problem with Hilferty giving lip service to the past, the majority of his ST holders are men in their 40s and 50s (successful enough to have excess income to blow on STs) and he has to market to them. And I have no problem with a "Flyers way" if it means Carolina and Brind'Amour (a former Flyer!) as their model. Carolina plays sound, fundamental pressure hockey.

 

[Danko]

Sielski has been at their throats about this stuff since before Snider died, to the point where it was the specific reason people didn’t like him.

Didnt Sielski ask if the flyers needed a fresh perspective and it visibly pissed off snider?

Flyers Chairman Ed Snider: ‘We don't need a fresh perspective'

“We don’t need a fresh perspective” — Ed Snider And that line — more than any other from Monday morning’s press conference, maybe more than any line at any time — sums up the last 38 years of Philadelphia Flyers hockey. Craig Berube was officially introduced as the 18th coach in Flyers history...

www.nbcsports.com

then today they mention how it is a fresh perspective

 

[Striiker]

Can’t get more embarrassing than this.

 

[Beef Invictus]

Meh, typical corporate press conference. What did you expect them to say? We hired the best Flyer alumni we could find?

But did notice that Hilferty committed to the rebuild and said it was going to take years (plural). No "aggressive reload." No pretense of being competitive.
That's a huge change from the last decade.

Camillo in talking about Briere mentioned analytics and his analytical mind - I think that's one reason they wanted him to go to Wharton, to get exposed to business statistics, finance, etc. Not just for the business side, contract negotiations, etc., but also when he talks to analytics people he can actually speak their language (if you don't have any statistical background, the two reactions to analytics is either to dismiss them out of hand or blindly accept them as "magic").

The advisors may have thought Torts was a turnaround artist (that's Gallant), but he's comfortable with young players, they're just not comfortable with him, as it should be - tell Stoutland you have to coddle today's generation of players. I think a player you have to coddle (i.e. lacks the competitive fire and swagger to step up in big games) is called "trade bait."

I have no problem with Hilferty giving lip service to the past, the majority of his ST holders are men in their 40s and 50s (successful enough to have excess income to blow on STs) and he has to market to them. And I have no problem with a "Flyers way" if it means Carolina and Brind'Amour (a former Flyer!) as their model. Carolina plays sound, fundamental pressure hockey.

You do not need to defend everything the team does.


And it isn't lip service. They just made a robust and thorough announcement that this team is rooted in 1975 and in the people from then.

You are always wrong about this team because the delusional fantasy version of the Flyers you've invented in your head bears no resemblance to the real thing.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

Sielski has been at their throats about this stuff since before Snider died, to the point where it was the specific reason people didn’t like him.

And then he blew Hakstok in print, which gave us all a reason not to like him.

 

[Danko]

I liked some of the things they said but they are doing 1 step forward 2 steps back thing again. Stop catering to the part of your fanbase that is dying in the next 5-10 years, pandering to the 70 year old audience that want things to be like the good ol days, isn't a recipe for success.

Torts going to war with the fanbase on one side, while Hilferty and the rest ask the fans to trust them and follow them and give them a chance...doesn't help.

 

[FlyerNutter]

You do not need to defend everything the team does.


And it isn't lip service. They just made a robust and thorough announcement that this team is rooted in 1975 and in the people from then.

You are always wrong about this team because the delusional fantasy version of the Flyers you've invented in your head bears no resemblance to the real thing.

Why wouldn’t he?

Everything this org does, and says. Caters to a certain dumbass collection of fans.

What’s the point really here. Like I said, buckshot from 5 feet out. Everything we’ve even speculated. All confirmed today.