Kasperi Kapanen (Aberg/J Lindgren) Traded to Pittsburgh (15OV/Hallander/E Rod/Warf to Toronto)

[SEALBound]

So do anyone wanna hear some stuff about Lindgren or are we not there yet mentally

I would love to hear about him more.

 

[Gurglesons]

I think we might look back at this and the JJ signing as JR finally losing the faith of the fans. This one did it for me, JR can retire now and f*** off until we are successful again because i don't like even looking at him in the mean time

Or Kapanen gets his shit together because he's been traded and becomes a much needed power forward like his dad?

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Myabe if this goddamn franchise wouldn't trade 8/10 of its 1st round pics then we could avoid an X generation like the Hawks seem to be doing and the Bruins have done

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Im not here to shit on Jesse nor am I going to simp for him because he’s on this board. A mix of Horny and Hagelin is a 7 million dollar player. There’s very little reason to believe that the 4th ranked prospect on the 30th ranked prospect pool is a star in waiting.

I'm not saying take anyone's word as gospel, but all indications are that Hallander was shaping into a prospect with a decent shot at becoming a middle sixer with the a combination of traits we prize in Hornqvist and Hagelin (forechecking, defense, play in dirty areas).

In fact, I haven't heard much to the contrary outside of Kingerski chiming in with a drive-by after the deal.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

Or Kapanen gets his shit together because he's been traded and becomes a much needed power forward like his dad?

I mean that would be f***ing excellent, but i wouldnt get your hopes up. Not to mention i don't think KK has played like his dad his whole career, He seems more like a willy Nylander lite to me

 

[pokey10]

I'd be surprised for McCann to stick around, I feel like McCann's money was just given to Kapanen.

I hope they can get another high pick/prospect for McCann, but I think this trade really shows that JR isn't interested in picks and prospects. He wants to win now. So I bet that means we'll see McCann swapped for a defenseman and Murray traded for a 3C.

I’d like to see this. If not all of those mentioned at least one of them. Moving MM for a 3C makes the most sense.

 

[ChaosAgent]

Hey guys wanted to give you the low down on Kappy as IV watched him closely his entire leafs career. The kid has some serious wheels, he has that extra gear that few players have. His wrist shot is good and he scores big goals at big moments. He plays on our penalty kill but I don’t think IV ever seen him get time on our top PP unit. It’s not nessesariky that he can’t play on the PP I think it’s just that he’s never been given much of an opportunity. He does not offer much in the way of vision or creativity. Also despite his speed I do not recommend using him for controlled zone entries.

So righty McCann, without the...substance abuse or DUI or whatever it was?

 

[Honour Over Glory]

I liked Hallander too. If Sundqvist is a regular, Hallander was definitely going to have a decent career.

I'm just not getting this move at all. Between 2014 to 2021 this team has kept what, one first round pick? You attach garbage to those to free up cap space. Not move young talent and take a decent player back and then on f***ing top, you also give up a first?

That's ridiculous.

 

[cassius]

Wow this trade sucks.

Kapanen is an undersized skill guy who is weak on the puck, has 0 grit, and doesn't care about playing defense. He's not all that great when it comes to producing offense as well.

This helps us win playoff games how?

Kapanen is about the last player you want to help you win in the playoffs. Guy belongs in an overseas league like the KHL - skilled, but doesn't work well in an NHL post-season atmosphere.

 

[Peat]

So do anyone wanna hear some stuff about Lindgren or are we not there yet mentally

Yup, lets hear it.

Okay? That doesn't invalidate what I said.

I can change career fields and go into hockey analytics, would my opinion hold any more weight at that point?

If doing so means you've got a ton of evidence for your opinion and can back it for days - and with video like a lot of them can - then yes, yes it would.

Believe it or not, there's a middle ground between liking the trade and hating it so bad you're about to jump off a cliff or slit your wrist. There's the initial "Oooo!" or "Fuuuuu!". After that, intelligent people that have control over their emotions and have the ability to hold a reasonable and logical conversation can actually step back from that initial emotional response and expand on it. Reactions to trades are not binary.

Hyperbole is super useful.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Hey guys wanted to give you the low down on Kappy as IV watched him closely his entire leafs career. The kid has some serious wheels, he has that extra gear that few players have. His wrist shot is good and he scores big goals at big moments. He plays on our penalty kill but I don’t think IV ever seen him get time on our top PP unit. It’s not nessesariky that he can’t play on the PP I think it’s just that he’s never been given much of an opportunity. He does not offer much in the way of vision or creativity. Also despite his speed I do not recommend using him for controlled zone entries.

Pretty much what we all knew of him as a prospect but now he has nhl games and stats to back it up.

Thanks for that.

 

[Gurglesons]

Wow this trade sucks.

Kapanen is an undersized skill guy who is weak on the puck, has 0 grit, and doesn't care about playing defense.

This helps us win playoff games how?

Kapanen is about the last player you want to help you win in the playoffs. Guy belongs in an overseas league like the KHL - skilled, but doesn't work well in an NHL post-season atmosphere.

Kapanen is not undersized and has grit. Not sure you've watched him.

 

[Empoleon8771]

So righty McCann, without the...substance abuse or DUI or whatever it was?

Yeah, that's basically what Kapanen is, a righty McCann. I don't think that's a bad piece to have at all and I think Kapanen has a higher upside than McCann, but that's basically what the trade is as of right now.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

I really wish you weren't this dense, but honestly I'm not surprised.

Both of those can be true: Rodrigues is a good extra forward to have for all of the seasons I said, while he's not a loss to lose in a trade. It's pretty astounding that you're making a big shit out of that because I said a guy I'd like to keep as a 14th forward is also not a significant loss in a trade.

You were also talking about him as a 3C option next year if McCann struggled in the playoffs. The hype was real.

But I'm glad you came around to the idea that he wasn't worth much. Too bad we gave up a good asset to justify acquiring him.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

We got Nylander-lite everyone

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Aberg signed a contract to play in the KHL. Not that I want him to come to camp or anything. Rodrigues will in all likelihood become a UFA after not being qualified by Toronto. Which is what we would have done, too. Lindgren, I suppose will play in the AHL (If there is an AHL season) and come to training camp but he is a marginal prospect. Marginal prospects in THIS organization are like top-10 but whatever. He is probably better than David Warsofsky, yay.

So basically, this deal is Hallander and the 15th overall pick for Kapanen. Hallander was probably never going to make it with us and the 15th was a crapshoot, obviously. But assets-wise, they were probably 2 of our 5 best prospects. Trade those away, fine. Go get a real scoring winger. Someone who can help fix the power play. Or go get a legit No. 3 center who can also help out the PP and create an actual third line that makes sense. OR, use those assets to get rid of the dead weight on the roster. None of those things happened. Did we need a right-winger? Absolutely. Do we still need a right-winger? Absolutely.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

So do anyone wanna hear some stuff about Lindgren or are we not there yet mentally

Did you see how this coach treated Riikola? You expect us to care given how much of a f***ing moron that tosser Sullivan is? He's better off staying in Europe to be honest.

 

[Empoleon8771]

You were also talking about him as a 3C option next year if McCann struggled in the playoffs. The hype was real.

But I'm glad you came around to the idea that he wasn't worth much. Too bad we gave up a good asset to justify acquiring him.

I was talking about him in a group of 4 players, which also included Lafferty and Bjugstad, as an open competition for the 3C. Unless you also think I think Lafferty and Bjugstad are these great pieces too.

Like I said, Rodrigues can both be a good depth piece to have while also being a nothing loss in a trade. Just like ZAR and Lafferty are good depth pieces to have, but nothing losses in a trade.

 

[Kristopher Letang]

Myabe if this goddamn franchise wouldn't trade 8/10 of its 1st round pics then we could avoid an X generation like the Hawks seem to be doing and the Bruins have done

I honestly don’t mind having a bad team post-Sid/Geno. I don’t believe in having a mid-talented team. I want us to really suck when they’re gone and do a proper rebuild.

I could care less about the fans this team is going to lose. I want it to happen.

Bring the last places and the next Mario/Jagr/Sid/Geno

I also hate trading 1st round picks for 3rd liners. But oh well, it’s done.

 

[OswaldBates]

Kapanen is not undersized and has grit. Not sure you've watched him.

Grit for him means Stu Grimson

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah, that's basically what Kapanen is, a righty McCann. I don't think that's a bad piece to have at all and I think Kapanen has a higher upside than McCann, but that's basically what the trade is as of right now.

Kapanen has more size than McCann and uses it.

 

[Lust for Life]

I imagine they hope he can duel it out with Ruhwedel for a bottom pairing role next to JJ. lol.

I know Jesper personally, growing up in the same town as him, so I like him a lot and want the absolute best for him.

I do think his ceiling is a top defender in one of the top European leagues. I would be extremely surprised to see him play regularly in the NHL for a team that's not tanking. An apt comparison would be guys like Magnus Nygren (who, right?).

He's purely offensive, although he's become a lot better defensively since he left Modo in the Swedish Second Division. He's been loaned there to start this season , and the Pens can choose either to send him to the AHL or send him back to Modo (unless he by some miracle makes the NHL team).

When he was younger a lot of people compared his playing style to a young Erik Karlsson. That's the playing style - not the potential.

I don't mind the acquisition as such, he's a decent lottery ticket for a team that has few, but don't expect fireworks.

(I'm not super high on Hållander, but he is more likely to actually become useful on a NHL roster)

 

[Gurglesons]

Grit for him means Stu Grimson

*Stu Gritson.

 

[WheresRamziAbid]

Okay, we're not talking about the same thing then. I wouldn't use the term replacement level to describe an extra forward or 7th D. I'll be honest, I don't know the first thing about baseball. The way I learned to look at it in hockey is that you can be below replacement level essentially puts you in the bottom half of forwards in the league. It's judging your performance against your peers in the league. For me, if a forward is in the worse half of the league with regards to performance, they're below replacement level. Because the number of players who can give you the same value in production, or more value in production, are numerous. Once you slip into the 40% range, it isn't hard to find replacements for the performance.

that makes sense. I saw you tweet and thought you might be being dramatic. In general conversation (coming from baseball) replacement level is basically “a player i could randomly call/up or acquire” your standard AAAA too good for the minors but of no real value to the majors. Warsofsky’s and Garrett Wilsons are physical embodiments of these type of players even though its a mathematical concept.

 

[DesertPenguin]

I'm more upset about losing Hallander than the 1st.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

I honestly don’t mind having a bad team post-Sid/Geno. I don’t believe in having a mid-talented team. I want us to really suck when they’re gone and do a proper rebuild.

I could care less about the fans this team is going to lose. I want it to happen.

Bring the last places and the next Mario/Jagr/Sid/Geno

I also hate trading 1st round picks for 3rd liners.

Imo the Bruins (of which im using an example/compariosn of here) are not a middling team, they could make the cup finals two years in a row this year.