Proposal: Kapanen for FLA 2017 1st rd pick

[Hagged]

Rantanen produced like a blue-chip prospect. No one thinks he and Kapanen are on the same level. Kapanen's production is respectable for his age group and the league he's playing in. I don't think trading him for a pick in the same range he was selected is a great move for Toronto, he hasn't lost any stock with play.

The question then is, is Rantanen worth more than a late first? If he isn't, then obviously Kapanen isn't worth that either.

 

[LeafGrief]

The question then is, is Rantanen worth more than a late first? If he isn't, then obviously Kapanen isn't worth that either.

Nobody is going to argue that Rantanen isn't worth a first. The guy is one of the best prospects in hockey. Comparing him to Kapanen is ridiculous. They are in completely different tiers of talent. Furthermore, Rantanen's draft position indicates that.

 

[TheDoldrums]

He put up absolutely terrible numbers in the A. What are you possibly talking about? 0.56 points per game for a forward is not good by any stretch of any imagination even for a leaf fan.


Brandon Montour of the ducks put up 0.83 points per game, vastly better and he's a defenseman. He is hardly worth much more than a 1st round pick in today's game. If Kapanen is worth a 1st this league is no longer a league.

Montour is more than two years older. You seem to have an absurdly high opinion of what a late 1st round pick should be worth. Kapanen was 58th on Corey Pronman's (non-Leafs fan btw) top prospects list. It would be a success for guys picked late in the 1st to have that kind of value.

 

[TheDoldrums]

Well if you compare those points to another Finn who played in the same WJC squad, Mikko Rantanen, who had 60 points in 52 games while playing his first year in the league and in a far worse team.

Literally no one would ever claim Kapanen is on Rantanen's level.

The question then is, is Rantanen worth more than a late first? If he isn't, then obviously Kapanen isn't worth that either.

Rantanen was picked 10th in a strong draft and has only had his stock rise, he's one of the better prospects in the world. Obviously he's worth considerably more than a late 1st. His value would probably be around picks 4-7 in this draft considering how weak it looks right now.

I don't understand why this thread is bringing out some of the weirdest posts.

 

[maplejays62]

Toronto gives Kapanen
Panthers give 2017 1st round pick.

Thoughts?

I believe this is fair and equal value considering we can assume the pick is around 22-27.

Why Toronto does this is because although he is a top end prospect I believe the leafs have so much depth he would never crack our top 9.

I don't really know a lot about Florida's prospect depth but if this is because they will losing people like Jagr in the next few years a first rounder IMO is a small price to pay

 

[6ix]

Kapanen is developing pretty nicely, why dish him for another late first in which we would have to develope again..?

 

[kelsier]

A lot of people would take Rantanen over Kapanen. How many of those trade Rantanen for Panthers 1st though, likely a late first. Late firsts more often than not will account to nothing at all. Is that really what Rants is worth?

Someone was underlining Kapanen's production in AHL in a way which sounded that it was something noteworthy or unusual. I presented an actual prospect that has unusual productivity in that league, nothing else. There was a time when there were great expectations regarding Kasperi and his career, but it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that those were not fulfilled or that he didn't get sidetracked.

Literally no one would ever claim Kapanen is on Rantanen's level.

Yet there are fans who expect to get a first rounder for a pick that hasn't exceeded the expectations and who also was picked that same round. I'd rather roll the dice again and hope to land something better.

That said, I have nothing whatsoever against KK and I hope I'm wrong about him. A country can never have too much of talent, and I don't care where they are from or where they might play.

 

[BeLeafer11]

You are suggesting that the Leafs trade a player who was a late 1st round pick and is developing quite well for an unknown late 1st round pick? Ummm, why does this make any sense?

 

[Atomos2]

Yet there are fans who expect to get a first rounder for a pick that hasn't exceeded the expectations and who also was picked that same round. I'd rather roll the dice again and hope to land something better.

That said, I have nothing whatsoever against KK and I hope I'm wrong about him. A country can never have too much of talent, and I don't care where they are from or where they might play.

You clearly have something against him. Kapanen was a 22 overall pick, Rantanen went 10th overall in a stacked draft. Why are you comparing them in the first place? Is there something written in the GM handbook that says in order to be worth a first round pick, you have to be as good as Rantanen?

If you take Kapanen's season last year with an unbiased approach, you'd see that for a 19 year old underager in the AHL, he did very well. If you try to make some nonsensical conclusion that the only way for Kapanen to be successful is to be Rantanen then you're just making ridiculous expectations.

 

[Dustin]

Meh. KK has improved since he was taken 22nd overall. While I doubt he is worth more than a mid to late 1st rounder there is little incentive for the Leafs to trade him now. He is still very young, will get more offensive responsibilities for the Marlies this year and if we took that trade we would be hoping that we drafted someone as good as Kapanen.

I think most people forget how young he is. While KK will most likely never be a top liner he looks like he may be a middle 6 defensively responsible player. Not sure what else you would want in the draft range we are talking here.

 

[MacerV]

Someone was underlining Kapanen's production in AHL in a way which sounded that it was something noteworthy or unusual. I presented an actual prospect that has unusual productivity in that league, nothing else. There was a time when there were great expectations regarding Kasperi and his career, but it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that those were not fulfilled or that he didn't get sidetracked.

You're talking about the kid like he's 34 and thinking of retiring.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Toronto gives Kapanen
Panthers give 2017 1st round pick.

Thoughts?

Why Florida?

 

[4thline]

Yet there are fans who expect to get a first rounder for a pick that hasn't exceeded the expectations and who also was picked that same round. I'd rather roll the dice again and hope to land something better.

This is absolutely ridiculous logic. The value of a pick is the chance of getting a contributing player, boosted by the cost control factor.

A pick in the range we're talking about has about 45/55 Top 9 vs. 4thline or worse. About 25% of being top 6. Very few becoming stars.

You're saying that a pick that is trending well to being part of the 45 or even 25 is somehow less valuable than the coinflip because he's not part of the "1%" so to speak.

 

[TOGuy14]

Someone was underlining Kapanen's production in AHL in a way which sounded that it was something noteworthy or unusual. I presented an actual prospect that has unusual productivity in that league, nothing else. There was a time when there were great expectations regarding Kasperi and his career, but it wouldn't be inaccurate to say that those were not fulfilled or that he didn't get sidetracked.



Yet there are fans who expect to get a first rounder for a pick that hasn't exceeded the expectations and who also was picked that same round. I'd rather roll the dice again and hope to land something better.

That said, I have nothing whatsoever against KK and I hope I'm wrong about him. A country can never have too much of talent, and I don't care where they are from or where they might play.

This is probably the most ridiculous thing I have ever read about a prospect on this site.

 

[GigaChad]

I was thinking that the Panthers don't have anyone to replace Jagr, so Kapanen could fit on the first or second line. (This season or next)

I also thought that the Leafs don't have space for him on top 6, so they could possibly trade him for a 1st rd pick..

Looks like both fans dislike this proposal

 

[The Thin White Duke]

I was thinking that the Panthers don't have anyone to replace Jagr, so Kapanen could fit on the first or second line. (This season or next)

I also thought that the Leafs don't have space for him on top 6, so they could possibly trade him for a 1st rd pick..

Looks like both fans dislike this proposal

I would have said a trade for an equivalent RD prospect would have made sense but it's looking like it's going to be a wait and see kind of season with Carrick/Corrado looking better than expected and Nielsen likely getting big minutes with the Marlies.

I'd revisit this idea towards the deadline or at the draft when our RD situation shakes out and we know what pick we're talking about.

 

[Liferleafer]

I think people (not Leaf fans) are afraid of the idea of a part of the Kessel trade (Kap) becoming good. Kap has looked solid so far this preseason, i'm willing to let him progress.

 

[X66]

People are going to be surprised with Kapanen.

This trade makes zero sense from the Leafs perspective.

In my eyes, Kapanen is a guaranteed NHL player.

It's very, very rare that you see players with his speed, his skill, his possession game, his defensive game and his versatility(plays both wings) not make the NHL.

For Kapanen, you just have to let him develop, work on the consistency and reap the reward.

 

[ViewsFromThe6ix]

I doubt you could get a prospect as good as Kapanen at picks 15 or later in next years draft.

 

[AvroArrow]

You've literally gotta be kidding me. Why do leaf fans, and I mean only leaf fans of all the teams in the league, vastly overrate certain players? Sorry but no GM in history of the game would trade a 1st for Kapanen.

E.g. Kapanen is an elite A+ prospect, Jake Gardiner is an absolute surefire top-4 defender with huge upside and he isn't -50 every season (just pretend).

Who said that ? Go back and re-read my post. And what do you expect out of a late 1st round pick ? What kind of player are you realistically expecting to pull ? Kapanen will probably turn into a 20+ goal scorer at his peak and is a much safer bet than moving him away for pick in the 20s range. This isn't 2003.

And for the random +- comment, completely irrelevant and +- is one of the worst indicators of a players ability. Kessel was a minus player here too, guess he sucks.

A former 1st round pick who's progressing exactly how he was expected to, do you actually know anything about him other than what hockeydb shows you ?

 

[Rebels57]

No reason for Toronto to do this.

Florida likely will pick around 20th overall and Toronto is unlikely to land a prospect as good as Kapanen there. It would have to be last minute if someone they really liked slipped.

 

[StevenB]

Leafs don't need any more draft picks, easy pass.

 

[LeafsNation149]

Deal easily

 

[CamelToews]

No need to rush Kapanen. He is progressing nicely. Wouldn't touch this deal.

 

[DrDangles]

I don't see how this makes sense for the Leafs. As a Pens fan I would gladly trade our 2017 1st to get Kappy back.