Confirmed with Link: Kane to Detroit

[RedWingzz]

I'm guessing his expectations (as mine) were low because we're talking about a 35-year old player coming off a major hip surgery that no NHL player has come back from at anywhere near their former ability.

Also as has been mentioned, Kane joining the team unfortunately coincided with losing their top two centers.

Yes, but his own expectations of himself were sky high. He proclaimed he would be playing his best hockey in years.

Maybe my expectations are too high, so I'll give him another 5 games and re-assess. I still believe in him and yes I think he can play better. I just don't know why it's such a crime on this forum to be critical of the team. I'm sure Patty Kane himself would full on admit that he needs to be way better, and needs to compete way harder.

That shorthanded goal we gave up earlier in the week was pathetic. People want to defend him saying "well he was on for over a minute"..I don't care if our players are on the ice for 7 minutes, it's the NHL, where back-checking and playing D is not optional, it's necessary.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Honestly Perron is a loss on the PP as well. He may not be as big of a loss overall but he's another shooting option on the power play and good puck recovery guy.

let's stick to kane because I refuse to give perron any credit for anything. trying to be on your side in this argument here but don't push me!

Yes, but his own expectations of himself were sky high. He proclaimed he would be playing his best hockey in years.

Maybe my expectations are too high, so I'll give him another 5 games and re-assess. I still believe in him and yes I think he can play better. I just don't know why it's such a crime on this forum to be critical of the team. I'm sure Patty Kane himself would full on admit that he needs to be way better, and needs to compete way harder.

That shorthanded goal we gave up earlier in the week was pathetic. People want to defend him saying "well he was on for over a minute"..I don't care if our players are on the ice for 7 minutes, it's the NHL, where back-checking and playing D is not optional, it's necessary.

just to pick one thing you said here.....

if you are on the ice in the nhl for 7 minutes then playing defense is 100% optional and i would rather the guy just crawl to the bench after being gassed than just standing in the defensive zone trying not to hyperventilate and die. Also, either the player should be bought out for the extremely terrible decision to stay on the ice for that long, or the coaches need to be in front of a jury for a possible attempted murder charge.

carry on.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

Yes, but his own expectations of himself were sky high. He proclaimed he would be playing his best hockey in years.

Maybe my expectations are too high, so I'll give him another 5 games and re-assess. I still believe in him and yes I think he can play better. I just don't know why it's such a crime on this forum to be critical of the team. I'm sure Patty Kane himself would full on admit that he needs to be way better, and needs to compete way harder.

That shorthanded goal we gave up earlier in the week was pathetic. People want to defend him saying "well he was on for over a minute"..I don't care if our players are on the ice for 7 minutes, it's the NHL, where back-checking and playing D is not optional, it's necessary.

It's great he'd say that. He's being optimistic and working hard to come back. It doesn't change the fact that the other players who came back from the surgery were a shell of their former selves.

Yes, your expectations are too high. Kane has played 5 games so far. I would expect anyone who missed training camp, pre-season and that much of the season too be rusty, let alone a player that's new to the team and recovering from major surgery.

And it's hardly a crime here to be critical of this team. People are pushing back on some of your criticisms because they seem unrealistic. But there's still plenty of criticism of the Wings.

 

[RedWingzz]

let's stick to kane because I refuse to give perron any credit for anything. trying to be on your side in this argument here but don't push me!


just to pick one thing you said here.....

if you are on the ice in the nhl for 7 minutes then playing defense is 100% optional and i would rather the guy just crawl to the bench after being gassed than just standing in the defensive zone trying not to hyperventilate and die. Also, either the player should be bought out for the extremely terrible decision to stay on the ice for that long, or the coaches need to be in front of a jury for a possible attempted murder charge.

carry on.

yes that was a hyperbole, I'm fairly certain you understood my point though. If a player is gassed at the end of a PP, I still expect them to help out defensively. The play I'm talking about, Kane didnt even try to take a stride, he just stood still after caughing up the puck.

 

[Zetterberg4Captain]

I'm.not so sure Kane needs or should be a whipping boy at the moment..

 

[RedWingzz]

It's great he'd say that. He's being optimistic and working hard to come back. It doesn't change the fact that the other players who came back from the surgery were a shell of their former selves.

Yes, your expectations are too high. Kane has played 5 games so far. I would expect anyone who missed training camp, pre-season and that much of the season too be rusty, let alone a player that's new to the team and recovering from major surgery.

And it's hardly a crime here to be critical of this team. People are pushing back on some of your criticisms because they seem unrealistic. But there's still plenty of criticism of the Wings.

I'm not the type of person to have the "oh well, let's get them next time! the team is working hard, so all is well" mentality.

I love this team, but 7 losing seasons in a row starts to take a toll on you. They were playing so well, and now they look destined to make it 8 losing seasons in a row. I'll admit, when we are winning, I'm the happiest fan in the world, but when we are losing, I get sour. I'm losing my patience with the "YZERPLAN" because it really seems like it's stagnant. We look good for a week, and then look bad for a week. Are we really improving and trending in the right direction? I honestly don't know anymore.

 

[RRhoads]

The players are rusty at the beginning of the season every year. Conditioning is not there yet either. And that is with a full training camp. Some people needs to check their expectations on a guy who's been out six months and had no camp. He's performed way above my expectations.

 

[RedWingzz]

The players are rusty at the beginning of the season every year. Conditioning is not there yet either. And that is with a full training camp. Some people needs to check their expectations on a guy who's been out six months and had no camp. He's performed way above my expectations.

I just don't know why people keep saying he's played above their expectations. He's on a 30 point pace, and is a -6...

Are we still talking about Patrick Kane here?

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I'm not the type of person to have the "oh well, let's get them next time! the team is working hard, so all is well" mentality.

I love this team, but 7 losing seasons in a row starts to take a toll on you. They were playing so well, and now they look destined to make it 8 losing seasons in a row. I'll admit, when we are winning, I'm the happiest fan in the world, but when we are losing, I get sour. I'm losing my patience with the "YZERPLAN" because it really seems like it's stagnant. We look good for a week, and then look bad for a week. Are we really improving and trending in the right direction? I honestly don't know anymore.

I understand that. And appreciate the honest answer.

I think I've been inoculated to a lot of it because I started following the Wings during the Dead Wings era. The unfortunate reality is the Wings have a tough road to rebuild. Due to the cap, stupid lottery rules at the time, and just randomness of draft years, they didn't end up with a Bedard. I think their last 1st overall pick was Joe Murphy in 1986. Their last top 3 pick was Primeau in 1990. That's insane. Especially when you look at teams like Buffalo.

I get pissed during games sometimes but try to have the overall view they tell you to have with your retirement savings. Try not to freak out about the short-term highs and lows, just focus on if it's trending upwards over time. And I think it is.

This team is fun to watch most nights. They're scoring goals. They've got more talent.

 

[Detroit Knights]

yes that was a hyperbole, I'm fairly certain you understood my point though. If a player is gassed at the end of a PP, I still expect them to help out defensively. The play I'm talking about, Kane didnt even try to take a stride, he just stood still after caughing up the puck.

Hey, this is HF Boards where hot takes are not meant to be taken lightly.

I have found that some types on here don't understand jokes/sarcasm so I feel the need to take everyone's words at face value. Never know!

Also, I do know what play your talking about (if it is the scandella SHG). You could kind of tell that kane was flat-footed or was twisting in a weird way that makes you a bit off-balance, so he was doomed from the beginning. However, I would argue that Husso should have done better on that breakaway, only because that was a defenseman and his first goal this year. Then again, there probably isn't much tape on a defenseman breakaway's.

Edit: Seems like I am giving Kane a pass here which I don't mean to do. Him losing that was a rough thing to see and just reminded me that his hip is still awkward at the very least. We all also knew that his defensive prowess was that of a baby kitten and not a helm-like lion, so we need to be reminded of the expectations to be attainable and not fantasy land.

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

I just don't know why people keep saying he's played above their expectations. He's on a 30 point pace, and is a -6...

Are we still talking about Patrick Kane here?

Because his hockey IQ is intact, as are his puckhandling and passes. And his skating looks really good given his surgery.

Backstrom retired after 8 games when trying to come back from the same surgery as Kane. That's the context we're talking about here.

 

[Detroit Knights]

Because his hockey IQ is intact, as are his puckhandling and passes. And his skating looks really good given his surgery.

Backstrom retired after 8 games when trying to come back from the same surgery as Kane. That's the context we're talking about here.

When i found out that he got the same surgery as the tennis player, I readjusted my minimum games played after surgery from 15-20 and anything after that would be fantastic (mainly wanted him for his iq and teach raymond as much as humanly possible) to closer to 50+ because if Murray can play tennis which is a heavy calf + thighs + hips sport and do so very well (may not be the same as he was but still very competitive), then we should all raise our expectations a little bit more, but not inconceivably more...if that makes sense.

 

[Rzombo4 prez]

Because his hockey IQ is intact, as are his puckhandling and passes. And his skating looks really good given his surgery.

Backstrom retired after 8 games when trying to come back from the same surgery as Kane. That's the context we're talking about here.

Yeah, I feel like his skating has gotten better each game, especially his lateral mobility. He isn't ever going to move like 24-year-old Patrick Kane, but I was very worried about him being a complete pylon.

 

[RedHawkDown]

man....I was receiving some flak from others because I was saying we should give him 10-15 games before we know if this was a good move or not....but after 5 games people are saying complete bust signing? my god people.

Nobody said it’s a bust of a signing. I thought he would suck before he signed with us and I still think it. Just stating that he’s not been very good so far. He could still totally prove me wrong and he absolutely has the skill to do it as the greatest American player of all time.

FWIW I’m glad we signed him as it’s a zero risk high reward move. But he hasn’t played well so far, that’s all.

 

[Ricelund]

you can't argue facts though

it is a fact that we have lost 4 of 5 games with him in the lineup, and it is a fact that he's -6.

Facts are facts!

 

[Detroit Knights]

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Facts are facts!

I have never been more convinced of anything in my life. That Joseph boarding against carolina has now hit second on that list.

 

[RRhoads]

I just don't know why people keep saying he's played above their expectations. He's on a 30 point pace, and is a -6...

Are we still talking about Patrick Kane here?

While you have watched stats, other people have watched him play. Your small sample size stats pace are pretty much irrelevant.

 

[RedWingzz]

While you have watched stats, other people have watched him play. Your small sample size stats pace are pretty much irrelevant.

watched stats...lol ok buddy

I havent missed a Wings game in a decade, if I can't watch it live, I watch it when I get home, or the next day. I've watched all 5 games Kane has been a Wing, from start to finish, but nice try.

If someone has a different opinion than yours, it does not mean they don't watch the games. People are allowed to disagree. You're happy with Kane's play, I'm not. Let's move on and see how he does tomorrow against Philly.

 

[Konnan511]

watched stats...lol ok buddy

I havent missed a Wings game in a decade, if I can't watch it live, I watch it when I get home, or the next day. I've watched all 5 games Kane has been a Wing, from start to finish, but nice try.

If someone has a different opinion than yours, it does not mean they don't watch the games. People are allowed to disagree. You're happy with Kane's play, I'm not. Let's move on and see how he does tomorrow against Philly.

You've really never missed a game? I consider myself a die hard Red Wings fan, but even I miss games and let it go. Weddings, birthdays, work conferences.

I feel Kane has been playing very well as an NHL player this year and has been fantastic for someone who has missed the amount of time he has.

 

[JediOrderPizza]

The Red Wings are playing, tonight...

 

[Henkka]

That Kane -6 is really an outlier. I've been laughing it for a while.

Last game, Husso blunder. Kane on the ice, nothing to do with it.

Gostisbehere stick broken - shorthanded against.

Another shorthanded against.

Empty netter against.

In general, Kane is 3 goals for, all on power-play, no plusses. and -6 on non power-play situations.

Kane is our best player after Larkin, and it will be nice day to get them both rolling at same time. We will become a winning killing machine on that day.

 

[RedWingzz]

You've really never missed a game? I consider myself a die hard Red Wings fan, but even I miss games and let it go. Weddings, birthdays, work conferences.

I feel Kane has been playing very well as an NHL player this year and has been fantastic for someone who has missed the amount of time he has.

I barely miss any...like a couple per season, and when I do, I make sure to watch them when I get home, or the next day when I get a chance if I get home too late.

Although there are glitches here and there, Sportsnet now in Canada is decent, and lets you watch the games at any point. It's over $200 per season, but it's the only way to catch out of market games for me living in Ottawa, so it's worth it.

I grew up in a hockey family. My grandpa loved hockey, my dad played high level hockey, and to this day loves watching the NHL, and I've played my whole life, and I obviously love watching. I was born into a hockey family.

 

[KJoe88]

Kane has been awesome. If it weren’t for some iron he’d have like five goals

 

[cvaicunas]

Stop trolling,

I used to just want to take a break after watching the Wings lose, did not want to re watch highlights, read reports, etc. Now I know just not to come here. Trolls just come crawling out of the dark recesses of the internet as soon as their is a something to bitch about.

 

[cvaicunas]

you can't argue facts though

it is a fact that we have lost 4 of 5 games with him in the lineup, and it is a fact that he's -6.

Correlation does not mean causation. Your defending your point that the team has been playing badly with Kane in the lineup, while simultaneously ignoring potentially more pertinent facts that would explain this recent skid.

and both of those centers are instrumental to our powerplay...just so happens to be one of the most important part of Kane's ability as well.

We are legit down 3 of our PP1 players.....Obviously the argument could be made that changes would be coming with Kane's addition, but the fact remains.