Player Discussion K'Andre Miller

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My fear at this point is we're running out of GM's who are enamored enough by his athleticism to get a good return in a trade.
 
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Miller's worst career move was moving to defense a position he is not that good at. Who's idea was this?
I don't think he would have been drafted if he didn't move to a defense position. It's probably the best thing that's every happened to him wen you really think about it. Career earning and success probably doesn't come close had he not made the position change.
 
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He is POISON ! ]Looks like the NY lifestyle for young millionaires has sucked him in . We need to get rid of him...and with a team of kids....he has to go soon . He will get worse before he gets better if he actually can . I actually feel sorry for the kid . What a waste.
 
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Miller's worst career move was moving to defense a position he is not that good at. Who's idea was this?

I can't even begin to understand this comment. He was drafted in the 1st round as a defenseman. there's a negative chance he'd be anything but that on this team or in the league.

why are we talking about him as anything but that...

He is POISON ! ]Looks like the NY lifestyle for young millionaires has sucked him in . We need to get rid of him...and with a team of kids....he has to go soon . He will get worse before he gets better if he actually can . I actually feel sorry for the kid . What a waste.

Idk what any of the NY stuff means...I think he's a good kid who tries hard and is grounded...he's just not talented or smart enough to be an impact player in the best league in the world. even endowed with his size and skating ability, you need other tools he just doesn't have.
 
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I can't even begin to understand this comment. He was drafted in the 1st round as a defenseman. there's a negative chance he'd be anything but that on this team or in the league.

why are we talking about him as anything but that...



Idk what any of the NY stuff means...I think he's a good kid who tries hard and is grounded...he's just not talented or smart enough to be an impact player in the best league in the world. even endowed with his size and skating ability, you need other tools he just doesn't have.
He looked better two seasons ago....where did that go ? He used to rush the puck at times....now he is slow on every thought.....something has scrambled his brain . His decision making is way off.....it's not a good look .
 

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Miller's worst career move was moving to defense a position he is not that good at. Who's idea was this?
From his wiki: "Originally a forward on his youth hockey teams, Miller's role model was Mikko Koivu, longtime captain for the Minnesota Wild. He only volunteered to switch positions while playing for Minnetonka High School, which needed an extra defenseman."
 
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He looked better two seasons ago....where did that go ? He used to rush the puck at times....now he is slow on every thought.....something has scrambled his brain . His decision making is way off.....it's not a good look .
I think part of it is as a viewer you, reasonably, aren't expecting to see rookie level mistakes at this point. Miller defenders are saying it's the rest of the team letting him down LOL. He should be contributing better by now.
 
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The biggest issue with Miller is usage. Miller-Fox were one of the best pairs in the league for the short time they were allowed to play together; Miller and Trouba have never been good together, but we just keep running them back out, because we are determined to play Lindgren in the top4, and pairing him and Trouba would be a war crime.

Sure, Miller makes some bad plays, but the team has the puck a lot when he's part of a competent pairing.
I was just about to post this and then I saw this comment. Pretty much sums up my thoughts. That Tuba-Miller pairing has been an abomination for years. Way back when, Tuba used to play with a young Josh Morrissey. He's a competent puck mover, he's become a point per game player. That's the sort of player Tuba should be paired with. K'Andre has more puck ability but I'd put him in a similar boat as someone you'd want with a better puck mover. Bring back the Miller-Fox pairing, bring back the Schneider-Tuba pairing
 
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Of course the Rangers would draft a dman that hasn't played as a dman for more than a year or 2 at the time when drafted, was playing forward and people wonder why he still sucks. That is the Rangers fault for being awful at scouting future draftees
 

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One of the dumbest metrics you can use when scoring 8 goals put him second for D-men with goals on the team. Fox had 17 goals last year. 6 of those were on the PP and Fox had over 250 minutes of PP time. Miller had 30.

You guys are reaching so hard it's less funny and more pathetic at this point.

I bet you guys are the types that loved the Staal signing for 5.7 x 6 when he put up a whopping 15 points max in those 6 years because even with his emotionless face, he played with emotion.
What is he great at?
 
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I have no idea why I keep answering low effort, troll posts, but I'll give it a go.

Getting rid of Miller doesn't make this team better, nor will it fix anything.

I've agreed that Miller has made some bad plays, but you know what? Everyone on this team makes bad plays. In fact, bad plays happen in the world of hockey. It's okay to gripe about a bad play a player makes, but you guys act like Miller pissed in your morning coffee because you seem to make it a personal slight that Miller is even alive and breathing. Not going to point the finger at who, but I remember seeing a negative comment on Miller when he tried to handle the puck on the blue line, his stick blew up on him, and that was still somehow his fault.

Now, in my opinion, there are two other defensemen on this team that are far worse than Miller ever was. Calling Miller a 7th D is as absurd as saying the team should trade him like it's going to f***ing fix the middling defense on this team. You want Jones to play 23 minutes against top offenses? Fine. Still not going to fix the defense. The outcome of our play will still be the same.

The team's defense is broken, although I think it's been broken for years and years. The D on this team make the same mistakes as well as the forwards. The Rangers are incapable of:

1) Defending off the rush. Our D gives up the blue line constantly. We do not challenge the puck carrier ever, and instead back all the way to f*** all and it gives room to the opposition to basically do what they want to do. I think it's the primary reason why we give up so many shots. It's because we simply bend over and let them have the ice they want.

2) Forwards backchecking. This team is the worst at racing back to challenge the late man. If it does happen, there are missed assignments. The center is the 3rd D-man, so when we whine about our D chasing the corner sometimes, it's usually the center covering the gap. However, the wingers need to help out as well.

Just a complete defense breakdown, and we're up a man!!
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3) Puck retrieval and breakout in our zone. What further exasperates our broken system is that once our defense gets the puck in the defensive zone, if they hear a player fart behind them they will ring the puck up the boards to no one. Teams with a strong defensive system will get two players as pass options down low for support. However, it seems up the boards into no man's land or a clear to the neutral zone via a useless puck flip are the options we seem to choose the most, and aggressive teams bring it right back in again before the team can set itself.

You want to know what a real 7th D play looks like? Trouba can bumper the puck behind him to Tro or slow pass to Lindgren if Lindgren hustles to the boards to support him. However, he tries to ring it around the boards to the left while Laf and Panarin are thinking offense for some f***ing reason when there are three players between them and the goal, and it gets picked off and kept in the zone at the blue line.
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What starts out as a 3v3 somehow becomes a 4v3 against. The Laf line is the WORST at backchecking. Absolutely terrible. They are barely in the zone when the goal is scored. The Oilers even make a change and the late guy coming off the bench is allowed to walk in and score because our two wingers don't hustle to even try and pick him up.
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To answer your question @DevilDog99 , no one except our goalies do anything great or at least try to game in and game out. No one. RAH.

Defensive lapses like the examples I give happen so much I can't comprehend why you guy spend your time and energy harping about one player's mistakes like he's the root cause of this team's issues. You can pick apart forwards individually because individual offensive skill can turn the tide on games, but even that doesn't matter when your entire team is a defensive liability.
 
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I have no idea why I keep answering low effort, troll posts, but I'll give it a go.

Getting rid of Miller doesn't make this team better, nor will it fix anything.

I've agreed that Miller has made some bad plays, but you know what? Everyone on this team makes bad plays. In fact, bad plays happen in the world of hockey. It's okay to gripe about a bad play a player makes, but you guys act like Miller pissed in your morning coffee because you seem to make it a personal slight that Miller is even alive and breathing. Not going to point the finger at who, but I remember seeing a negative comment on Miller when he tried to handle the puck on the blue line, his stick blew up on him, and that was still somehow his fault.

Now, in my opinion, there are two other defensemen on this team that are far worse than Miller ever was. Calling Miller a 7th D is as absurd as saying the team should trade him like it's going to f***ing fix the middling defense on this team. You want Jones to play 23 minutes against top offenses? Fine. Still not going to fix the defense. The outcome of our play with still be the same.

The team's defense is broken, although I think it's been broken for years and years. The D on this team make the same mistakes as well as the forwards. The Rangers are incapable of:

1) Defending off the rush. Our D gives up the blue line constantly. We do not challenge the puck carrier ever, and instead back all the way to f*** up and it gives room to the opposition to basically do what they want to do. I think it's the primary reason why we give up so many shots. It's because we simply bend over and let them have the ice they want.

2) Forwards backchecking. This team is the worst at racing back to challenge the late man. If it does happen, there are missed assignments. The center is the 3rd D-man, so when we whine about our D chasing the corner sometimes, it's usually the center covering the gap. However, the wingers need to help out as well.

Just a complete defense breakdown, and we're up a man!!
6YmdD8a.png


3) Puck retrieval and breakout in our zone. What further exasperates our broken system is that once our defense gets the puck in the defensive zone, if they hear a player fart behind them they will ring the puck up the boards to no one. Teams with a strong defensive system will get two players as pass options down low for support. However, it seems up the boards into no man's land or a clear to the neutral zone via a useless puck flip are the options we seem to choose the most, and aggressive teams bring it right back in again before the team can set itself.

You want to know what a real 7th D play looks like? Trouba can bumper the puck behind him to Tro or slow pass to Lindgren if Lindgren hustles to the boards to support him. However, he tries to ring it around the boards to the left while Laf and Panarin are thinking offense for some f***ing reason when there are three players between them and the goal.
eN4oARb.png


What starts out as a 3v3 somehow becomes a 4v3 against. The Laf line is the WORST at backchecking. Absolutely terrible. They are barely in the zone when the goal is scored. The Oilers even make a change and the late guy coming off the bench is allowed to walk in and score because our two wingers don't hustle to even try and pick him up.
4zYz7ot.png


To answer your question @DevilDog99 , no one except our goalies do anything great or at least try to game in and game out. No one. RAH.

Defensive lapses like the examples I give happen so much I can't comprehend why you guy spend your time and energy harping about one player's mistakes like he's the root cause of this team's issues. You can pick apart forwards individually because individual offensive skill can turn the tide on games, but even that doesn't matter when your entire team is a defensive liability.
it's sad to see such a well reasoned and well researched post, because we all know it falls on deaf ears. great stuff here tho thank you
 
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