bbny
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This is what you get with him. He can be pretty dynamic offensively, but he's a negative defensive player. A 6'5 Tony DeAngelo if you will.
Player Discussion K'Andre Miller
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This is what you get with him. He can be pretty dynamic offensively, but he's a negative defensive player. A 6'5 Tony DeAngelo if you will.
You have no idea what you're talking about lol.
He made a bad play on the 2nd goal. Big whoop.
bbny
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He played the first goal very poorly as well.
The only things he is good at defensively is the occasional flash of recovery speed and long reach poke check after putting himself out of position to begin with.
Fans fall in love with the offense, and it's great how dynamic he can be offensively, but he's atrocious defensively and we need to stop pretending he isn't.
Lmao thank you for proving my point.
Goal 1 was on Vesey and Vesey alone. I'd highly suggest you watch it again and focus on how Vesey inexplicably STOPS SKATING even though hes en route to angle Chatfield or what ever his name is off.
He isn't atrocious defensively and I've covered extensively in previous posts why. Saying that hes only good at poke checking and recovering is just wrong. I'm sorry you don't understand his game at all.
bbny
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You’re wrong.
I’m not going to go back and find whatever you’ve posted in this thread here, but it seems obvious based on your childish retorts that you’ve taken a hard stance with misplaced pride and can’t see what’s in front of you on a near nightly basis. He’s an offensive defensman who stinks in his own zone. Maybe he’ll get better. Right now he’s junk back there.
Careful, you're projecting all over yourself.
And you still have no idea what you're talking about but I knew that already after all the Strome shit last year.
ReddestRum
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Some of you are absolutely mind-boggling in your assessment of Miller's play tonight.
First goal. Everyone has a man. Vesey even has a step on him. Key has to play and be aggressive with the zone entry. Re-watch the play. Vesey stops skating and doesn't pick up his man. It's his man all the way from the neutral zone.
On the second goal. Zib goes in the corner. Miller helps support Zib. Trouba IS WATCHING HIS D-PARTNER THE ENTIRE TIME. For some off f***ing reason, he decides to chase the puck behind the net and leaves the slot gaping. No forward collapses to to help and literally just watches like their controller disconnected..
Fan base: Miller's fault.
Jesus christ, take a few minutes to watch the replay before saying someone's wrong.
First goal. Everyone has a man. Vesey even has a step on him. Key has to play and be aggressive with the zone entry. Re-watch the play. Vesey stops skating and doesn't pick up his man. It's his man all the way from the neutral zone.
On the second goal. Zib goes in the corner. Miller helps support Zib. Trouba IS WATCHING HIS D-PARTNER THE ENTIRE TIME. For some off f***ing reason, he decides to chase the puck behind the net and leaves the slot gaping. No forward collapses to to help and literally just watches like their controller disconnected..
Fan base: Miller's fault.
Jesus christ, take a few minutes to watch the replay before saying someone's wrong.
DanielBrassard
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Think you nailed it on both counts. 1st play Vesey gets beat up ice by his man, Miller did the right thing maintaining his gap. 2nd goal Zibanejad got dummied by Staal on a 50/50 puck and Miller tried to help out. IDK why Trouba is chasing behind the net, when he sees two men in the corner. If anything the blame is on Zibanejad and Trouba well before Miller.Some of you are absolutely mind-boggling in your assessment of Miller's play tonight.
First goal. Everyone has a man. Vesey even has a step on him. Key has to play and be aggressive with the zone entry. Re-watch the play. Vesey stops skating and doesn't pick up his man. It's his man all the way from the neutral zone.
On the second goal. Zib goes in the corner. Miller helps support Zib. Trouba IS WATCHING HIS D-PARTNER THE ENTIRE TIME. For some off f***ing reason, he decides to chase the puck behind the net and leaves the slot gaping. No forward collapse to to help.
Fan base: Miller's fault.
ReddestRum
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Lol. It's insane. First goal, he's parallel with his partner and challenging the first puck entry. Trouba is watching the trailer and Vesey is full steam ahead and just.. stops for some odd reason. In the replay you can see he takes his eyes off his man and just gets dusted. In the second goal, two in to support the puck down low. It's Trouba's net. He vacates it. Goal. Did you know the third goal was on Miller too? He coughed on the bench which made Lindgren trip, taking him out of the play.
Miller's fault on all three folks.
Miller shouldn't have chased there. Even if Mika gets bodied there, Staal isn't really a threat from that spot. and he's already engaged. Theres no danger there.
Though I just watched the goal again and Trouba's more guilty than I initially though. He didn't have to dip down behind the net at all (I thought the 50/50 battle was closer than it was and that the puck squeeked by him. Turns out he wasn't even close to intercepting it) and even if his end goal was to pick off that pass, he routed himself wrong and would have had a better chance if he went around the post on his side of the ice.
Thats lots of ugly on that one.
bbny
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Some of you are absolutely mind-boggling in your assessment of Miller's play tonight.
First goal. Everyone has a man. Vesey even has a step on him. Key has to play and be aggressive with the zone entry. Re-watch the play. Vesey stops skating and doesn't pick up his man. It's his man all the way from the neutral zone.
On the second goal. Zib goes in the corner. Miller helps support Zib. Trouba IS WATCHING HIS D-PARTNER THE ENTIRE TIME. For some off f***ing reason, he decides to chase the puck behind the net and leaves the slot gaping. No forward collapses to to help and literally just watches like their controller disconnected..
Fan base: Miller's fault.
Jesus christ, take a few minutes to watch the replay before saying someone's wrong.
All you’re doing here is proving Miller is not the only one at fault, and I never said he was. It’s just a way too recurrent theme that he’s a culprit in defensive breakdowns, or this wouldn’t even be a thing that anyone would be talking about.
On the first goal, he committed to stepping up and was not nearly aggressive enough. He caused himself to be flat footed at the blueline. Vesey’s faults here don’t absolve Miller’s.
I don’t think I have to talk about the second. We all know he was in no man’s land, and Trouba compounding the mistake doesn’t absolve Miller.
I wouldn't go this far. Miller makes some mental mistakes for sure, but DeAngelo was a consistent liability.
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1st goal Miller should have recognized the guy coming in with speed, he didn't and was caught flat-footed and the guy went around him. Second goal Miller does not need to go out of position to support Mika, and if he does he better be 100% sure he is going to get the puck, he didn't. Trouba also get blamed on this one for not recognizing Miller going out of position and then staying in front of the net instead of chasing the puck.Some of you are absolutely mind-boggling in your assessment of Miller's play tonight.
First goal. Everyone has a man. Vesey even has a step on him. Key has to play and be aggressive with the zone entry. Re-watch the play. Vesey stops skating and doesn't pick up his man. It's his man all the way from the neutral zone.
On the second goal. Zib goes in the corner. Miller helps support Zib. Trouba IS WATCHING HIS D-PARTNER THE ENTIRE TIME. For some off f***ing reason, he decides to chase the puck behind the net and leaves the slot gaping. No forward collapses to to help and literally just watches like their controller disconnected..
Fan base: Miller's fault.
Jesus christ, take a few minutes to watch the replay before saying someone's wrong.
This only happens because Vesey let up.
Watch Sick Jimmy as he crosses the blue line. He EASILY angles off the Canes shooter if he keeps moving instead of gliding once he hit it like he was attempting to stay onside.
ReddestRum
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I don't know what to keep telling you guys. Miller has to play some gap control here. He wasn't even fully committed. He realizes Trouba's man is coasting and that Vesey is ahead of his guy in the neutral zone. You want to be parallel to your D-partner if the puck is being carried over the blue line. He's not going to back up too far or try to play two men when he's "supposedly" got help. His main concern is to play his man all the way up the slot, which he did. He can't switch to the puck carrier and risk leaving that open. Why would he thought? Vesey is there, lol!
Okay again. This is one biggest rule of defensive hockey. There should always be at least one person in front of the net. We don't play man to man, obviously. Two men usually always go into the corner for the battle. I don't know why some of you are like, "Well, he should've just stayed in front of the net." When do we ever have just one man down low when two opposing players are down low? Either both D-man are back there, with the center covering the slot or one D-man is covering the slot while the center and other D-man battle low. There is absolutely no reason for Trouba to vacate the front of the net. No reason whatsoever. Maybe he thought the winger behind him was going to cover low, but they know the game they play. Our wingers (Like Panarin there) will wait by the boards for the puck and will ONLY collapse back towards the center of the ice if the puck gets by them and to an opponent at the blue line. Everyone on the ice except for Trouba played it like they always play it. If two guys are in the corner, and if you have the slot, it's your job to stay there! Do you guys actually know positional hockey, or do you just want both D-men and the center to just stand in the slot when there's offensive pressure?
Raspewtin
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not only has he had a very strong year, he's 1 point away from 40. that's insanely impressive considering he was at 20 points last year, playing with a better Trouba, and with no major change to his on ice SH%. he is just organically much stronger offensively this year which is f***ing awesome to see.
Hunter Gathers
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Have you actually ever even seen Miller play? This may be the most absurd take I have heard from a supposed Rangers fan ever.
bbny
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Yawn.
He stinks defensively. Numerous mistakes every game. Lots of work to do to be better.
Hunter Gathers
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Idk, card says he's good defense
I think this discussion is happening for the same reason it always happens - this boards thinks we're the worst defensive team of all-time and good defense is having literally zero breakdowns.
We have AV/Quinn PTSD.
I think the better question is if they’ve ever seen Deangelo play defense.
Miller makes mistakes, but holy shit deangelo is bad at it.
Hunter Gathers
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Idk, card says he's good defense
I think this discussion is happening for the same reason it always happens - this boards thinks we're the worst defensive team of all-time and good defense is having literally zero breakdowns.
We have AV/Quinn PTSD.
I mean, it was obvious the dude doesn't even watch the games, lmao.
Try saying you never watch Ranger games without saying you never watch Ranger games.
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Idk, card says he's good defense
I think this discussion is happening for the same reason it always happens - this boards thinks we're the worst defensive team of all-time and good defense is having literally zero breakdowns.
We have AV/Quinn PTSD.
I think the answer is simpler.
Some people just have no idea wtf they're watching and are too arrogant to admit it even after its been laid out for them a zillion times.
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