Speculation: Kaliyev trade...

[YP44]

I’d like to see Kaliyev next to Kopitar or Danault for a good 20 games. He's crazy good with Danault and Moore. I also would like to station Kaliyev on the right circle on the second power play. I think that’s the right situation to find out if Kaliyev is a keeper.

I don't think the Kings should trade Kaliyev until mid season 2024-25 at the earliest. There's a ton of potential, but he won't reach it with Lizotte.

I agree that putting him with Danault for a good stretch is something I wanted to see last year.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Kayilev for Gustavsson in Minny.

I like it but can't see Min taking Kaliyev to lose their young GT and have to rely on a wilting Flower and be in the same spot the Kings are in, looking for a goalie or bumping up a youngster who lacks NHL experience.

 

[unicornpig]

Sup fellas? Just curious if there is anything from Tampa you'd trade Kaliyev for.

jeannot

 

[Surf Nutz]

i think blake needs an angry shrieking monkey to inspire him as it did you here. the monkey would be good in blake's pressers as well- we could throw lemons at the monkey and at least get some laughs out of it


im at he needs to find a new career before whats left of his brain is turned to cream of wheat. i hope for the best healthy future for the young man.

Although this is not a Blake Prass Conference, I would argue that is pretty much what we already have here.

 

[Surf Nutz]

Blake makes mistakes every year that are significantly worse than the Cernak trade, that is what is really scary.

PLD trade, Fiala trade, Turcotte pick override, Danault signing (ending rebuild), not trading Roy, Stevens and TMac hires, Cal P signing.

It’s wild if you compare his whiffs to his hits, and then think there are still a couple here that after 7 seasons of misery are still on the Blake train.



Well I think many things can be taken from that trade proposal.

The Kings would be getting the best asset by a pretty large margin. Tkachuk is a proven offensive producer with intangibles, leadership and grit. Something the Kings don't have much of at all, and certainly not in the Top 6.

A negative asset would be going to Ottawa, with only 20% retention. Almost every other PLD proposal has 50% retention

Due to the ridiculous development decisions on Clarke, he probably doesn't have the type of value he would have if he had been coming off playing 82 games in the NHL, like he would have for probably every other team in the league.

It's tough because Blake's inept management has painted the Kings into a corner, the team was constructed to win before Kopitar/Doughty retire and this trade increases those chances from something like 1% to probably 5%. You still have garbage goaltending, no #1 C but at least you have Kopitar/Kempe, Byfield/Tkachuk and Danault/Moore and that gives you a respectable 3 scoring lines.

That is why this situation to me is worse than any time I can remember as a Kings fan. You can't undo the terrible trades, you can't undo that between 2017-2019 drafts the Kings had a ton of picks and end will end up with a #3 d-man, a #6 d-man and two 4th liners to show for it. Even if you keep Byfield and Clarke and Blake is sent to Saint Helena following this season, by the time a new GM fixes this total disaster those guys will be in their mid 20's at the earliest. I think people here still understate the damage that Rob Blake and Luc Robitaille have done to this franchise.

Blake decision

PLD: Could be a career ender.

Fiala: Good trade, best offensive player since Palffy.

Turcotte override: Unlucky

Danault: Great signing, absolutely essential to the Kings making playoffs.

Roy non-trade: a mistake but Blake is all in and it was never happening. Self rental move

Stevens , TMAC and Hiller; Poor and compounded errors.

Cal P. poor signing , ignore tournament play.

Clarke defense was not cutting it, he needs to be able to at least get closer to Spence's defensive mild ability.

poor goaltending continuing : possible we will see

No #1 C but 3 #2 C's Kopi, Danault and Byfield (could move to #1 by end of season)

Herby a Kings fan: I think he believes he is but that is not the real word, it's HerbyWorld.

 

[BaileyFan]

Oh wow. I'm over here like "They're gonna want Cirelli aren't they?" because this isn't anything like Jeannot. Fella scored like 18 of his 24 goals on tips and sheer "Bears double doink" levels of dumb luck. I watched him for 5 minutes and said "Oh crap" and 5 minutes of Kaliyev was "Put him on a line with Stamkos and Hagel"

You have to understand that the odds are at least even money at this point that Blake simply doesn’t bother trying to find a trade partner and dumps Kaliyev to UFA on July 1 or holds onto him for no reason until training camp then waives him. Blake is probably savvy enough to pull a 5th or 6th rounder for the player and not much else. Cirelli or even Jeannot would be an overpay.

 

[Herby]

Blake decision

PLD: Could be a career ender.

Fiala: Good trade, best offensive player since Palffy.

Turcotte override: Unlucky

Danault: Great signing, absolutely essential to the Kings making playoffs.

Roy non-trade: a mistake but Blake is all in and it was never happening. Self rental move

Stevens , TMAC and Hiller; Poor and compounded errors.

Cal P. poor signing , ignore tournament play.

Clarke defense was not cutting it, he needs to be able to at least get closer to Spence's defensive mild ability.

poor goaltending continuing : possible we will see

No #1 C but 3 #2 C's Kopi, Danault and Byfield (could move to #1 by end of season)

Herby a Kings fan: I think he believes he is but that is not the real word, it's HerbyWorld.

Hi Muzz,

You are once again equating not supporting Rob Blake to not being a fan of the team, everyone here who is criticizing Blake was a fan before he was GM and will be a fan after this nightmare ends. But apparently that is to tough a concept for people like you, Axl and Pravda to grasp.

Fiala - Nobody in the league is taking Fiala over Faber. Don't believe me, go make another poll like you enjoy doing and check out the results. And Fiala is not a better offensive player than Kopitar, Carter or Demitra. In fact it's not even close, so please spare us the "Best offensive player since Palffy" nonsense. Much more in line with Frolov and Cammalleri than those guys.

Turcotte - How was any of it unlucky? The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player, and it was a disaster right from the start. Go look at how Turcotte played in college vs other Top 5 picks. And was it unlucky when Blake made the laughable decision to pull him after his freshman year? I know your thing now is to blame everyone else (the Frenchies) for the failures of your buddy, but he's the GM, the results fall on him.

Funny how you will call whiffing on a Top 5 pick "bad luck" but will presumably give Blake all the credit for the Faber pick. Funny how that works out. All the credit when it goes well and none of the blame when it goes bad.

Danault - Great signing, why? Because it got them to the 1st round cannon fodder stage? What would be better Muzz, having Danault and losing in Round 1 three years in a row or not having Danault, letting his spot be filled by young players and adding Top 10 picks in 2022 and 2023?

Why was Roy impossible to happen? Other GM's, especially if they had a clear deficiency in the skill department would have moved Roy for a 1st and used his spot for Clarke instead of having him waste away in the garbage AHL. You have this crazy belief that all these other young players given NHL time over AHL time are these finished products, who are perfect players, when they aren't. I saw Luke Hughes and Owen Power play many times before they jumped to the NHL, they weren't finished products, but their GM's felt that they would be better served in the NHL. A common theme almost everywhere but LA.

How would Luke Hughes and Owen Power have been developed in LA? How would Wyatt Johnston? Does it concern you at all that it would be completely different than how they were (successfully) developed in other places?

But keep making excuses and blaming Marc Bergevin and the "Frenchies". I assume you believe Rob Blake wanted to make all the right moves and was instead forced to make all these horrific moves by the Frenchies while having his name attached to it and his reputation ruined, makes a ton of sense, poor innocent Rob Blake.

 

[psych3man]

Herby: "The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player..."

Herby, do you have evidence Kings staff wanted to draft a different player than Turcotte? Which staff? Which player?

 

[Surf Nutz]

Hi Muzz,

You are once again equating not supporting Rob Blake to not being a fan of the team, everyone here who is criticizing Blake was a fan before he was GM and will be a fan after this nightmare ends.

Fiala - Nobody in the league is taking Fiala over Faber. Don't believe me, go make another poll like you enjoy doing and check out the results. Fiala is not a better offensive player than Kopitar, Carter or Demitra.

Turcotte - How was any of it unlucky? The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player, and it was a disaster right from the start. Go look at how Turcotte played in college vs other Top 5 picks. And was it unlucky when Blake made the laughable decision to pull him after his freshman year? I know your thing now is to blame everyone else (the Frenchies) for the failures of your buddy, but he's the GM, the results fall on him.

Danault - Great signing, why? Because it got them to the 1st round cannon fodder stage? What would be better Muzz, having Danault and losing in Round 1 three years in a row or not having Danault, letting his spot be filled by young players and adding Top 10 picks in 2022 and 2023?

Why was Roy impossible to happen? Other GM's, especially if they had a clear deficiency in the skill department would have moved Roy for a 1st and used his spot for Clarke instead of having him waste away in the garbage AHL. You have this crazy belief that all these other young players given NHL time over AHL time are these finished products, who are perfect players, when they aren't. I saw Luke Hughes and Owen Power play many times before they jumped to the NHL, they weren't finished products, but their GM's felt that they would be better served in the NHL. A common theme almost everywhere but LA.

How would Luke Hughes and Owen Power have been developed in LA? How would Wyatt Johnston? Does it concern you at all that it would be completely different than how they were (successfully) developed in other places?

But keep making excuses and blaming Marc Bergevin and the "Frenchies". I assume you believe Rob Blake wanted to make all the right moves and was instead forced to make all these horrific moves by the Frenchies while having his name attached to it and his reputation ruined, makes a ton of sense, poor innocent Rob Blake.

Hi Sol

I am not in the Herbyverse but I told you already I believe you think you are a Kings fan but you are more of a Kings fan meme.

It's almost 3 years since the Fiala trade so what people would do right now is irrelelevant.

Turcotte's string of injuries were unlucky.

Yes they got to the 1st round but had to face the 2024 Champs and lost. No shame McD is 1st vote , HoF.

Blake is all in trying to right the ship, why trade Roy and need a rental to replace him? Just keep him as a self rental.

Blake would be gone already if Luc and his advisors had not meddled heavily into what Blake could and could not do,

Try to keep things brief, I had to skim over/ignore much of your Herbyworld extrapolations as usual.

We agreed on a few of them/their/his/her/Herby/Sol/Jon Rosen points.

Their should be a time limit on how long you can be a Kings fan after you move away and all you do is make prune juice.

 

[psych3man]

I watch the Clarke exit interview, especially early in it, and the nonverbals scream:
"I can't believe you f'ers put me in and kept me in the AHL, especially after the breakaway goal!"

 

[Surf Nutz]

Herby: "The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player..."

Herby, do you have evidence Kings staff wanted to draft a different player than Turcotte? Which staff? Which player?

Just look through the portal!

DO NOT step foot in the Herbyverse.

 

[tny760]

Herby: "The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player..."

Herby, do you have evidence Kings staff wanted to draft a different player than Turcotte? Which staff? Which player?

"The concern here is that Blake diverged from his scouts, and according to three sources, chose Turcotte when Director of Amateur Scouting Mark Yannetti had Trevor Zegras, who has 139 points in 180 career games down the road in Anaheim, ranked higher on the draft list. There have also been whispers that Tony Granato, who would coach Turcotte for one year at Wisconsin, strongly advocated for his incoming freshman prior to the draft."

Did the Kings just write off a 104-point season?

None of the three first round centers drafted between 2018 and 2020 are living up to their draft spot, which presents an alarming future for a cap-strapped team whose top two centers will be 36 and…

theforumreport.com

 

[Surf Nutz]

"The concern here is that Blake diverged from his scouts, and according to three sources, chose Turcotte when Director of Amateur Scouting Mark Yannetti had Trevor Zegras, who has 139 points in 180 career games down the road in Anaheim, ranked higher on the draft list. There have also been whispers that Tony Granato, who would coach Turcotte for one year at Wisconsin, strongly advocated for his incoming freshman prior to the draft."

Did the Kings just write off a 104-point season?

None of the three first round centers drafted between 2018 and 2020 are living up to their draft spot, which presents an alarming future for a cap-strapped team whose top two centers will be 36 and…

theforumreport.com

So Herby is actually Jonny Rosen, who loves the Kings but had to "resign" anyway?

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Herby: "The scouts wanted a player and the GM took the wrong player..."

Herby, do you have evidence Kings staff wanted to draft a different player than Turcotte? Which staff? Which player?

There was a report/quote/interview about that.....I'm pretty sure it happened that way

 

[kinghock]

I'm curious. Where are you guys at with Turcotte?

In my opinion Turcotte will stay wings and will have great next season.

 

[Lt Dan]

Their should be a time limit on how long you can be a Kings fan after you move away and all you do is make prune juice.

Prune juice?
Everyone should know how to make Pruno (just in case)

How to make prison wine... just in case

In which we give you a step-by-step breakdown of exactly how you make pruno, aka "prison wine", and then tell you how dinosaurs really died.

www.thrillist.com

 

[tny760]

In my opinion Turcotte will stay wings and will have great next season.

just don't see salvaging much more than a depth band-aid boy out of him, too fragile. part unlucky, part being shipped down unnecessarily to get headshot by AHL plugs

 

[Surf Nutz]

So Herby is actually Jonny Rosen, who loves the Kings but had to "resign" anyway?

There was a report/quote/interview about that.....I'm pretty sure it happened that way

Yup the Beer guy, the guy at the popcorn cart and the get your peanuts mobile vendo all in the same betting pool, went on the record about this.

As Rosen wrote with his penknife

Prune juice?
Everyone should know how to make Pruno (just in case)

How to make prison wine... just in case

In which we give you a step-by-step breakdown of exactly how you make pruno, aka "prison wine", and then tell you how dinosaurs really died.

www.thrillist.com

Thank you , it all makes sense now!

You can't vote in prison.

 

[Herby]

I watch the Clarke exit interview, especially early in it, and the nonverbals scream:
"I can't believe you f'ers put me in and kept me in the AHL, especially after the breakaway goal!"

Put yourself in his shoes. He sees comparable players all over the league contributing and making an NHL salary, while he is in the AHL making less than an In-N-Out manager

Hi Sol

I am not in the Herbyverse but I told you already I believe you think you are a Kings fan but you are more of a Kings fan meme.

It's almost 3 years since the Fiala trade so what people would do right now is irrelelevant.

Turcotte's string of injuries were unlucky.

Yes they got to the 1st round but had to face the 2024 Champs and lost. No shame McD is 1st vote , HoF.

Blake is all in trying to right the ship, why trade Roy and need a rental to replace him? Just keep him as a self rental.

Blake would be gone already if Luc and his advisors had not meddled heavily into what Blake could and could not do,

Try to keep things brief, I had to skim over/ignore much of your Herbyworld extrapolations as usual.

We agreed on a few of them/their/his/her/Herby/Sol/Jon Rosen points.

Their should be a time limit on how long you can be a Kings fan after you move away and all you do is make prune juice.

I couldn't care less what type of fan you think I am. Your lack of awareness of the real world rivals your lack of awareness in the hockey one. You do know that CA has had a huge exodus of people leave the state, and guess what, many of them are posters here, and have been posters here long before you blessed us with your bizarre presence.

Yeah we can't judge a trade 3 years later. Let's trade our 1st this year for a 3rd liner, if the 1st ends up being a great player you can sit here and tell us it doesn't matter.

Ya, unlucky Rob Blake, his #5 overall pick is going to be a bottom six player in year 6 instead of a bottom six player in year 4. Totally a great pick and all bad luck.

Ha, going to parrot Luc and Pravda's talking points on McDavid, of course. Losing to the eventual champs in 5 games doesn't make you a contender Muzz. Nobody would call the Clippers or Miami Dolphins title contenders, and they did the same thing as the Kings.

Why trade Roy? Because you are a team severely lacking skill and you have a young player in the minors who can generate offense from the blue line at an elite level. And because you lack high end talent at the NHL level and in the pipeline (thanks Rob!) you could use the first round pick to improve in those areas.

What did Luc and the "Frenchies" do to meddle in what Blake wanted to do? Please give details. Again, what kind of person who disagreed with decisions made by those above him (that would be saddled on him) would sit on his hands and do nothing. Blake will almost surely never get an NHL GM job after this debacle, you are saying he wasn't to blame but just accepted it while at the same time telling the media why he did it? Makes a ton of sense.

Of course you skim over points that completely contradict the nonsense you spew here. Sorry Muzz, I assume that we are all adults here and can have an educated, adult discussion. I guess not.

Of course you would take shots at Rosen, the best and most professional person to ever cover this team. You criticize Rosen while parroting and regurgitating the nonsense spewed by Pravda. Lenin had a term for people like you, look it up.

 

[tny760]

Put yourself in his shoes. He sees comparable players all over the league contributing and making an NHL salary, while he is in the AHL making less than an In-N-Out manager



I couldn't care less what type of fan you think I am. Your lack of awareness of the real world rivals your lack of awareness in the hockey one. You do know that CA has had a huge exodus of people leave the state, and guess what, many of them are posters here, and have been posters here long before you blessed us with your bizarre presence.

Yeah we can't judge a trade 3 years later. Let's trade our 1st this year for a 3rd liner, if the 1st ends up being a great player you can sit here and tell us it doesn't matter.

Ya, unlucky Rob Blake, his #5 overall pick is going to be a bottom six player in year 6 instead of a bottom six player in year 4. Totally a great pick and all bad luck.

Ha, going to parrot Luc and Pravda's talking points on McDavid, of course. Losing to the eventual champs in 5 games doesn't make you a contender Muzz. Nobody would call the Clippers or Miami Dolphins title contenders, and they did the same thing as the Kings.

Why trade Roy? Because you are a team severely lacking skill and you have a young player in the minors who can generate offense from the blue line at an elite level. And because you lack high end talent at the NHL level and in the pipeline (thanks Rob!) you could use the first round pick to improve in those areas.

What did Luc and the "Frenchies" do to meddle in what Blake wanted to do? Please give details. Again, what kind of person who disagreed with decisions made by those above him (that would be saddled on him) would sit on his hands and do nothing. Blake will almost surely never get an NHL GM job after this debacle, you are saying he wasn't to blame but just accepted it while at the same time telling the media why he did it? Makes a ton of sense.

Of course you skim over points that completely contradict the nonsense you spew here. Sorry Muzz, I assume that we are all adults here and can have an educated, adult discussion. I guess not.

Of course you would take shots at Rosen, the best and most professional person to ever cover this team. You criticize Rosen while parroting and regurgitating the nonsense spewed by Pravda. Lenin had a term for people like you, look it up.

it's just desperation for attention at this point, probably not worth the energy

 

[Surf Nutz]

Put yourself in his shoes. He sees comparable players all over the league contributing and making an NHL salary, while he is in the AHL making less than an In-N-Out manager



I couldn't care less what type of fan you think I am. Your lack of awareness of the real world rivals your lack of awareness in the hockey one. You do know that CA has had a huge exodus of people leave the state, and guess what, many of them are posters here, and have been posters here long before you blessed us with your bizarre presence.

Yeah we can't judge a trade 3 years later. Let's trade our 1st this year for a 3rd liner, if the 1st ends up being a great player you can sit here and tell us it doesn't matter.

Ya, unlucky Rob Blake, his #5 overall pick is going to be a bottom six player in year 6 instead of a bottom six player in year 4. Totally a great pick and all bad luck.

Ha, going to parrot Luc and Pravda's talking points on McDavid, of course. Losing to the eventual champs in 5 games doesn't make you a contender Muzz. Nobody would call the Clippers or Miami Dolphins title contenders, and they did the same thing as the Kings.

Why trade Roy? Because you are a team severely lacking skill and you have a young player in the minors who can generate offense from the blue line at an elite level. And because you lack high end talent at the NHL level and in the pipeline (thanks Rob!) you could use the first round pick to improve in those areas.

What did Luc and the "Frenchies" do to meddle in what Blake wanted to do? Please give details. Again, what kind of person who disagreed with decisions made by those above him (that would be saddled on him) would sit on his hands and do nothing. Blake will almost surely never get an NHL GM job after this debacle, you are saying he wasn't to blame but just accepted it while at the same time telling the media why he did it? Makes a ton of sense.

Of course you skim over points that completely contradict the nonsense you spew here. Sorry Muzz, I assume that we are all adults here and can have an educated, adult discussion. I guess not.

Of course you would take shots at Rosen, the best and most professional person to ever cover this team. You criticize Rosen while parroting and regurgitating the nonsense spewed by Pravda. Lenin had a term for people like you, look it up.

You care, maybe you don't realize it mid eruption.

Fiala is not being deployed correctly and should not be L3.

Hard to judge Alex with all those injuries especially head shots.

Mc'D's place in hockey history will not be debatable and I don't even speak French.

I get why we should have traded Roy but Blake's mindset made it Herbyverse only material.

So Blake would have disparaged his chain of command to the media, Hebyworld!

My mom signed the permission slip , stop hating on kids!

I plan on getting my GED.

I liked Matthew Barry!

I don't wanna do any pro that big country in Europe searches, on my computer.

Geez Herby maybe try decaf?

I know I am your favorite and you are welcome.

 

[BaileyFan]

Hi Sol

I am not in the Herbyverse but I told you already I believe you think you are a Kings fan but you are more of a Kings fan meme.

It's almost 3 years since the Fiala trade so what people would do right now is irrelelevant.

Turcotte's string of injuries were unlucky.

Yes they got to the 1st round but had to face the 2024 Champs and lost. No shame McD is 1st vote , HoF.

Blake is all in trying to right the ship, why trade Roy and need a rental to replace him? Just keep him as a self rental.

Blake would be gone already if Luc and his advisors had not meddled heavily into what Blake could and could not do,

Try to keep things brief, I had to skim over/ignore much of your Herbyworld extrapolations as usual.

We agreed on a few of them/their/his/her/Herby/Sol/Jon Rosen points.

Their should be a time limit on how long you can be a Kings fan after you move away and all you do is make prune juice.

We can all agree that this Kings team absolutely should have made it to the 2nd round. All they had to do was avoid a terrible draw like the Oilers. Or the Golden Knights. Or the Stars. Or the Avalanche or the Jets or the Predators. Or the Blues if they had made it in. No shame in that at all.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Jesus Christ....even I am going....WTF....reading some of this shit.....

 

[Herby]

We can all agree that this Kings team absolutely should have made it to the 2nd round. All they had to do was avoid a terrible draw like the Oilers. Or the Golden Knights. Or the Stars. Or the Avalanche or the Jets or the Predators. Or the Blues if they had made it in. No shame in that at all.

Maybe they will expand the playoffs enough that one of those bottom 5 teams the Kings are 40-1-2 against the last 3 years will get in. And Rob Blake can get his elusive first playoff series win in some kind of play-in round. They can hang the banner right next to the Lakers in-season tournament one.

 

[Surf Nutz]

We can all agree that this Kings team absolutely should have made it to the 2nd round. All they had to do was avoid a terrible draw like the Oilers. Or the Golden Knights. Or the Stars. Or the Avalanche or the Jets or the Predators. Or the Blues if they had made it in. No shame in that at all.

The Pacific has champions right now and I can't argue with pointed, reasonable concise and correct comments

Would have been nice to get Berube as coach and Trotz as GM.

Central had recent champs too.

Really this points to not only Blake and those he hired but those above him.

The door is closing. And the Portal was unplugged.