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HabsAddict said:
Chicken and egg...

Unless his name is Brett Hull and can score 50 from his one dimensional play, Kaliyev will need to do more. Be more.

You can have a legitimate argument that he wasn't shown what was expected from him. Then all failure is on coaching. But if Kaliyev did not WANT to play a more complete game, it's all on him.

As an outsider, I don't know which version is true and to what extend. I do know that he's going to get a fair shake and lots of coaching, but if he does not respond, he's going to learn how to make paper airplanes from the stands.
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As mentioned above--he did great when coaching coached. When put up the lineup with dudes who complement his weaknesses, he thrived. Imagine looking at these numbers and banishing him:

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You don't think it's a coaching problem that he can skate around with a fellow youngster in the top six to the tune of controlling 2/3 of play and 100% of the GF share...and then gets literally benched?

You don't think it's a coaching problem that a line practically tailor-made for him in Danault and Moore can dominate even against hard competition and dzone starts...and then put him back with PLD?

You don't think it's a coaching problem that his metrics suffered when he got jammed back with the guys that can't gain a zone entry, sustain a forecheck, and have the lowest shooting % and save % on the team, and the solution is to bench him instead of move him back to success?

even with that banishment his metrics and xGF were tops on the team, and that's while playing most of his time with the guys at the bottom of the chart.

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Sure, he has to perform, and a goal scorer needs to score more goals. But there's this growing misconception that he's some ineffective floater and strange pushback to the idea that his usage is a problem, people are trying to blame him more than the org and I don't like it, especially given what the actual data says (and, to me, it reinforces the eye test). I'm not just gonna sit here and let outsiders pretend Kaliyev sucks more than the organization's usage of him.

The argument is just a nebulous "he doesn't fit" which is MUCH more of an indictment of the Kings than him and the people that are making it are going to look f***ing stupid next year.
 
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All The Kings Men said:


start at about 6:00 minutes in
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funny timing, i was literally in the process of listening to you say that in the 6/3 podcast

too bad i'm now sidetracked by daryl taking pot shots at fans again

i think you were pretty fair to arty but daryl being representative of the FO makes me want to punch children
 
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Kaliyev 'doesnt fit' but PLD needs for the coaches to a better job of 'incorporating him into the game', lmfao. give me whatever paint BLUC are huffing because that shit must be good. i hope whatever team he signs with treats him better than this dogshit front office has so far
 
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I’m sorry, please tell me that I didn’t just read that Kaliyev needs to do more while we have someone in the roster who has no f***ing heart in almost every shift.
 
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theMajor said:
Kaliyev 'doesnt fit' but PLD needs for the coaches to a better job of 'incorporating him into the game', lmfao. give me whatever paint BLUC are huffing because that shit must be good. i hope whatever team he signs with treats him better than this dogshit front office has so far
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they're just so set in these idyllic "rules" oh we know what we have since he's played near 200 games, we know what we have cause we have a plan that extends X years

no room for creativity or change, they just want a zombie hockey team of yes men that do what they're told. too bad when they do what they're told, it's not good enough anyway, the all show no go lewis/lizotte/laferriere's get their proverbial dicks sucked
 
HabsAddict said:
That makes a lot of sense.

It wont be a major add, somethinv like a 3rd/4th if he scores 20+ goals.

A trade for Struble would be low risk vs who he being traded for. So the balance would be adding some conditionals on it.

I can't see any serious organization trying to limit a guy who they want to ignite and build on by limiting his ice time so he can't score. A 3rd/4th is not as valuable as getting Kaliyev to the next level. It just takes a bit of the sting of the GM who made it.
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I would give Kaliyev, a go with Kopi and Kempe babysitting first thing in pre season.

Many good points and few that are a bridge too far... Lol, Dwight Kings board work but I saw the clarification.

Maybe for the team not the fans, they couldn't really blame PLD and needed for other players to step up or not make any mistakes a bit of transference went

onto Kaliyev's shoulders.
 
Statto said:
How reliable is the source? Genuine question as they are unknown to me.
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can't speak to the source but i think there may be a connection there since larionov is the coach of torpedo, his son whose instagram that's from plays for him there, and from what i see they both played detroit-area junior albeit a couple years apart, OHL same time
 
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Statto said:
How reliable is the source? Genuine question as they are unknown to me.
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Have no idea, sounds just like option for him but I guess with players from over there or have ties theres always a chance. It also could be a leverage move, by him saying hey I ask for trade months ago, I have options.
 
tny760 said:
that would really be a shame to lose him overseas after drafting and "developing" him because of this systems obsession

probably can make a great living for himself doing it though
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It would actually be much better for the Kings if Kaliyev went to the KHL. As a RFA they would retain his rights, and should he thrive there is a pretty damn good shot that management here would be gone by the time a KHL deal expired.
 
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bland said:
It would actually be much better for the Kings if Kaliyev went to the KHL. As a RFA they would retain his rights, and should he thrive there is a pretty damn good shot that management here would be gone by the time a KHL deal expired.
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Good idea prob beyond the mental acuity of the Kings w no clothes (ie Bluc) Essentially Khliyev would be better than Caliyev
 
bland said:
It would actually be much better for the Kings if Kaliyev went to the KHL. As a RFA they would retain his rights, and should he thrive there is a pretty damn good shot that management here would be gone by the time a KHL deal expired.
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i imagine enough garbage bags stuffed with cash probably keeps a man there though
 
I’m an Arty truther. I’m sure this guy has been the source for multiple leaks to the fake press that have clowned the crew in charge.

Couple years ago it leaks that some highly touted kids think they are being blocked by guys who are overpaid and underperforming. Soon after, Kaliyev is a projected top six wing according to the GM.

Pravda laps up the reports of Arty staying in LA over the summer and pumps his tires, obviously looking for a trade. No trade happens and the guy is buried on and off the ice by the multiple hacks in charge and in the marketing department.

Once the team shits the bed around the new year, Arty is officially hung out to dry and criticized for stupid garbage like not wanting to be here and blowing assignments. While in reality, the guys getting overpaid are leading the team to the ditch.

Look up wasted resources in the dictionary, and you’ll see a picture of Rob Blake, with Kaliyev as a top footnote.
 
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kilowatt said:
Fiala - Kopitar - Kempe
Turcotte - Byfield - Kaliyev
Moore - Danault - Fagemo

Do it Todd Jim you coward
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Pretty much anything that plays the kids. They won't do it to that extent, and it probably is too kid heavy; but I don't care, because I don't expect them to compete :laugh:

Hopefully Byfield and Kopitar are interchangeable this season and we start to see Byfield take the reins more. I would like to see Kopitar's minutes reduced across the board.
 
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If kaliyev winds up in the khl, lets hope he goes somewhere that has electricity and running water
 
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