Kakko vs Hughes

[Hischier and Hughes]

Lot of people who haven't seen Kakko awhole lot before WC.

29 goals for the last 36 games, 32 points in the last 30.
Dominant player on the 2nd half and has only kept getting better.

"small sample size".

What exactly makes that more impressive than Jack’s records?

Kakko supporters love citing Kakko’s feats without mentioning Hughes’

 

[BB88]

What exactly makes that more impressive than Jack’s records?

Kakko supporters love citing Kakko’s feats without mentioning Hughes’

Because you do that for them constantly.

Those are against men, he's gotten better as the games have gotten tougher.
Toughest games of their careers and Kakko is straight up dominating, and not for just 4 games, as so many x fans love to mention, every damm minute.

I'm still waiting you to explain the higher ceiling and more room to grow theme.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Because you do that for them constantly.

Those are against men, he's gotten better as the games have gotten tougher.
Toughest games of their careers and Kakko is straight up dominating, and not for just 4 games, as so many x fans love to mention, every damm minute.

I'm still waiting you to explain the higher ceiling and more room to grow theme.

Im not wasting my time explaining anything when it seems you undertand perfectly and just want to rip into whatever responses I give.

If you dont understand player potential then I cant explain that in a single thread without typing pages. Theres reasons Jack is universally seen as a higher potential player

 

[TheBeastCoast]

I really haven't paid enough attention to either to have any clue which one will be better going forward....I enjoy watching Kakko play more though.

 

[ijuka]

What exactly makes that more impressive than Jack’s records?

Kakko supporters love citing Kakko’s feats without mentioning Hughes’

Most of Jack Hughes's records have asterisks and seem to be considered records for media hype.

Like he didn't break Matthews's single season USNTDP point record. He broke Keller's total point record - a record no one would really care about if it wasn't hyped by the media. He didn't break Kucherov's single-tournament u-18 WJC record. He broke Ovechkin's all-time u-18 WJC point record, though Ovechkin did score 23 goals in total while Hughes scored 14. Few players participate at two u-18 championships, especially CHL players very rarely have an opportunity to do so. He was outproduced by Alex Turcotte in USHL in terms of PPG despite having superior linemates. Especially Caufield I'd bring up here, at u-18s too it's no wonder that Hughes's worst game was when he was playing away from Caufield, while Turcotte had his best game playing with Caufield.

Then we might or might not want to remember Matthews's USNTDP group averaged some 4.5 goals per game while Hughes's did 5.7.

So, to me this "record-breaking"-hype is a bit odd considering how many asterisks you have to use with these records.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Most of Jack Hughes's records have asterisks and seem to be considered records for media hype.

Like he didn't break Matthews's single season USNTDP point record. He broke Keller's total point record - a record no one would really care about if it wasn't hyped by the media. He didn't break Kucherov's single-tournament u-18 WJC record. He broke Ovechkin's all-time u-18 WJC point record, though Ovechkin did score 23 goals in total while Hughes scored 14. Few players participate at two u-18 championships, especially CHL players very rarely have an opportunity to do so. He was outproduced by Alex Turcotte in USHL in terms of PPG despite having superior linemates. Especially Caufield I'd bring up here, at u-18s too it's no wonder that Hughes's worst game was when he was playing away from Caufield, while Turcotte had his best game playing with Caufield.

Then we might or might not want to remember Matthews's USNTDP group averaged some 4.5 goals per game while Hughes's did 5.7.

So, to me this "record-breaking"-hype is a bit odd considering how many asterisks you have to use with these records.

Asterisks lmfao

The only asterisk is the one near your name whenever people see it - beware of completely made up nonsense

 

[ijuka]

Asterisks lmfao

The only asterisk is the one near your name whenever people see it - beware of completely made up nonsense

What of that is made up? I know I've seen you say "he broke Ovechkin's record at u-18s" but for some reason you never specify which record. Is that not because you realize it's quite a pointless one if you actually go ahead and specify it? I mean, Ovechkin's best u-18 tournament was his first one at the age of 16. He had a worse one at 17. Many things go into it, such as having a good team 2 years in a row.

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

What of that is made up? I know I've seen you say "he broke Ovechkin's record at u-18s" but for some reason you never specify which record. Is that not because you realize it's quite a pointless one if you actually go ahead and specify it? I mean, Ovechkin's best u-18 tournament was his first one at the age of 16. He had a worse one at 17. Many things go into it, such as having a good team 2 years in a row.

Keep coming with the excuses. You had them for Matthews with Laine and now Hughes with Kakko

Your shtick is way old

Screw it im done. Ignore list here you go

 

[Leaf Fans]

Kakko is playing awesome! Jack Hughes to be fair is on a team with a lot of NHLers he may not be getting the same opportunities. But Kakko has been fantastic along with Nylander and Kucherov in this tournament so far. Anthony Mantha too!

 

[ijuka]

Keep coming with the excuses. You had them for Matthews with Laine and now Hughes with Kakko

Your shtick is way old

I asked you what about what I said was made up. Nothing, then? Good to know.

Kind of a shame about the scorekeeping letting Caufield down, though.

Kakko is playing awesome! Jack Hughes to be fair is on a team with a lot of NHLers he may not be getting the same opportunities. But Kakko has been fantastic along with Nylander and Kucherov in this tournament so far. Anthony Mantha too!

And Hischier. Remember, Hischier has had a better tournament than Kakko thus far. Reliable sources...

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

Kakko is playing awesome! Jack Hughes to be fair is on a team with a lot of NHLers he may not be getting the same opportunities. But Kakko has been fantastic along with Nylander and Kucherov in this tournament so far. Anthony Mantha too!

Hischier and Fiala from the Swiss team have been great as well (since ive watched their games)

 

[Lights911]

Kakko is better but NJ will go with Hughes because he’s American and easier to sell. Plus he’s a center and Hischier/Hughes is going to be a good combo

 

[Leaf Fans]

Hischier and Fiala from the Swiss team have been great as well (since ive watched their games)

Absolutely, that goal (Hischier) against Norway was amazing! It has been an exciting tournament so far and will get even better starting this weekend. Swiss-Swe will be one to watch!

 

[Maximus]

You guys or at least a few of you who are arguing, have missed the point of this poll I posted.

If you read it carefully, I didn't ask "who was better...Hughes or Kakko"? or "who would eventually be better...Hughes or Kakko"?

What I asked was IF the Rangers and NOT the Devils had the first overall pick, who do y'all think the Rangers would take at #1 overall? A totally different question than what some of y'all assumed....

My opinion is, all things being equal, I think Gorton would likely take Kakko over Hughes not based on what's going on at the World's so much as the fact the Rangers haven't had a true sniper since Mike Garter left town back in the mid-90's. Seeing I'd bet alot of y'all weren't even born when Gartner was a Ranger, look him up in the Hockey Reference website and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Anyways, let's get back on point....Who would THE RANGERS take if they had #1 overall and not the Devils....

 

[illpucks]

They do this every year. People were saying Eichel shouldn't go #2.

 

[Esko6]

They do this every year. People were saying Eichel shouldn't go #2.

Come on man, the Devils passed on a player who was the "consensus #1" for a while and they do not regret it. It is not always wrong.

 

[Jayan]

Like some have mentioned.

Devils are attached emotionally to Hughes since the lottery and the Rangers with Kakko.

If Devils would choose to pick Kakko #1 then Rangers would pick Hughes, and so be it.

Something worth mentioning tho, is if Shero were to have a stroke and pick Byram #1, im pretty sure Gorton would still pick Kakko, and Hughes would have to go sit in Chicago.

Blackhawks fans are equally emotionally invested in Byram tho for the same reason.

 

[illpucks]

The sad part of all this is the Avs didn't win the draft lottery. Just imagine Kakko/Hughes with MacKinnon and Rantanen

 

[CraigsList]

I prefer Kakko.

 

[BB88]

Im not wasting my time explaining anything when it seems you undertand perfectly and just want to rip into whatever responses I give.

If you dont understand player potential then I cant explain that in a single thread without typing pages. Theres reasons Jack is universally seen as a higher potential player

This is what I'm talking about.

You just keep mentioning higher ceiling, more room to grow without explaining it, and defend Hughes constantly, like he's McDavid and keep pushing for this clear difference between Hughes and Kakko, and just small sample size. Open your eyes for a bit.

You're not an expert.

 

[ijuka]

Im not wasting my time explaining anything when it seems you undertand perfectly and just want to rip into whatever responses I give.

If you dont understand player potential then I cant explain that in a single thread without typing pages. Theres reasons Jack is universally seen as a higher potential player

Would you mind explaining what aspects in Kakko's play limit his ceiling and potential? What are his weaknesses that prevent him from being an Art Ross contender?

To me, he has no weaknesses at all, and has several significant strengths. Agile skating, elite hockey IQ, elite boardwork, elite puckhandling. fantastic physicality that should only get stronger, and he's shown very good vision as well. His defensive game also is advanced for his age.

Do you disagree with a point of mine? If so, which point, and how do you disagree?

 

[Hischier and Hughes]

This is what I'm talking about.

You just keep mentioning higher ceiling, more room to grow without explaining it, and defend Hughes constantly, like he's McDavid and keep pushing for this clear difference between Hughes and Kakko, and just small sample size. Open your eyes for a bit.

You're not an expert.

Yet all the actual experts all agree his ceiling is higher

What part of this dont you get? Im not going to explain it because youre going to retort with nonsense no matter if I spend ten minutes of my time typing our a massive post.why would I waste the time?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Yet all the actual experts all agree his ceiling is higher

What part of this dont you get? Im not going to explain it because youre going to retort with nonsense no matter if I spend ten minutes of my time typing our a massive post.why would I waste the time?

LoL,all the experts. They sure nailed Yakopov too right? Ceiling was through the roof with them they said. Because the "experts" are always right. I'll take the player who is already proving to dominate men as barely an 18 year old than a bunch of what ifs.

 

[klingsor]

If Hughes is indeed the #1 prospect to the majority of scouts, the Rangers would probably go with Kakko (or maybe even someone else).

The Rangers have a history of thinking they are smarter than everyone else(Jessiman, Mcilrath, Andersson and even Kravstov to a certain degree).

As a Rangers fan, please reassure me that there is no hot young goalie that's available.

 

[ijuka]

Yet all the actual experts all agree his ceiling is higher

What part of this dont you get? Im not going to explain it because youre going to retort with nonsense no matter if I spend ten minutes of my time typing our a massive post.why would I waste the time?

So I asked for clarification and you didn't even reply. So do you have absolutely no opinions of your own or something? That's just an educated guess, you can't speak in absolutes when it comes to the draft and projection regardless.


Hughes's being outscored by Finland's #3 goalie at the WHC. But I admit that Olkinuora has received more ice time.