Player Discussion Kaiden Guhle

[Habs Halifax]

Yeah, 40 points is pretty good, we will see what the future brings.

Player comparisons is always tricky. No two players are a like but they can be similar "types".

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Yeah, Guhle is not physical enough, and even if he has a good size, isn't in the same league has Weber or Xhekaj.

I think he'll get more physical as he fills out. He was plenty physical in junior. I just don't think he's strong enough right now.

100%. I feel like Drouin is a target more than others. Fans can't help themselves on the Drouin attacks. Yeah, he is a disappointment but we already know that so no need to double down on it. Personally, I have no issues at all with Drouin on the 2nd PP unit. Based on the pieces we have to use at the moment.

We have a bunch of rookies trying to learn on the job and a bunch of guys we want to move on from but will be used until they are gone. Reality.

So yeah, Drouin on the PP is better than Anderson and Dadonov. Some fans will reply saying none of them should play PP. Sure, then what? Just let the kids play and if they drown, keep doing it? I don't think that is the best for development and I'm going to support MSL in what he is trying to do. He obviously sees things more than we do.

At the very least, Dadonov should be targeted just as much as Drouin. If fans want to play the target game

I think people are more emotionally scarred by Drouin than the others as well.

 

[tazsub3]

I’m talking strictly about their abilities, not talking where they are in their career now. Hutson’s IQ is off the charts, passing ability, vision, it’s already naturally better than Xhekaj. He would probably get pushed around in the NHL now, but you could still see how much more talented he is than Xhekaj if both were with the habs right now.

Anyway this is the Guhle thread lol and we’re agreeing on him

I am one to believe that in todays nhl the biggest factor to some kind of success is hockey iq. With elite iq , a player can overcome sone deficiencies like size , speed and shot . No iq , you better be elite at the others to have success .

 

[Habs]

I am one to believe that in todays nhl the biggest factor to some kind of success is hockey iq. With elite iq , a player can overcome sone deficiencies like size , speed and shot . No iq , you better be elite at the others to have success .

This is why there is no room on this team for Dadanov, Gallagher and Armia right now. They have very little hockey IQ, Gallagher never has, he made a career on hard work which is amazing because his IQ is around room temp.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I think he'll get more physical as he fills out. He was plenty physical in junior. I just don't think he's strong enough right now.

I think people are more emotionally scarred by Drouin than the others as well.

Such is the expected result and reaction when the return of the Prodigal Son is a failure.

 

[BLONG7]

Guhlie should be on the #1 PP and everyone knows it....................what the F%^k Marty?
We need to stop being the worst PP in the league, and not sure why doing the same $hit over and over gets a pass.
The coaching staff need to change it up. 5 forwards on the PP with those kids sitting on the bench is a joke.

 

[LaP]

This is why there is no room on this team for Dadanov, Gallagher and Armia right now. They have very little hockey IQ, Gallagher never has, he made a career on hard work which is amazing because his IQ is around room temp.

You should heat your room a little bit more it's not safe for you health to live in such a cold room.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

Guhlie should be on the #1 PP and everyone knows it....................what the F%^k Marty?
We need to stop being the worst PP in the league, and not sure why doing the same $hit over and over gets a pass.
The coaching staff need to change it up. 5 forwards on the PP with those kids sitting on the bench is a joke.

you’d think MSL could call his buddy Vinny Lecavalier & teach these players some pp structure 1) gain possession of the blue line 2) patients 3) feed the point 4)shot the puck

 

[BLONG7]

you’d think MSL could call his buddy Vinny Lecavalier & teach these players some pp structure 1) gain possession of the blue line 2) patients 3) feed the point 4)shot the puck

We are being hard on MSL here, who I really like as a coach, but how much embarassment can the team take?
Trying to pretend that Drouin, Dadonov, Armia, Hoffman types on the PP to get some value for them? This may be on the top tandem not the coaches, but seriously it looks awful....

32nd place on the PP................32nd folks.

 

[Sorinth]

We are being hard on MSL here, who I really like as a coach, but how much embarassment can the team take?
Trying to pretend that Drouin, Dadonov, Armia, Hoffman types on the PP to get some value for them? This may be on the top tandem not the coaches, but seriously it looks awful....

32nd place on the PP................32nd folks.

Hypothetically if you believed that giving a significant PP role to our rookies would hurt their overall development then what would you really do differently from MSL with the PP?

 

[BLONG7]

Hypothetically if you believed that giving a significant PP role to our rookies would hurt their overall development then what would you really do differently from MSL with the PP?

Easing the kids on to the PP would not hurt them whatsoever.......Gujlie, The Sherriff, Harris, why not we may move up to 24th on the PP?
I would do alot of things differently than MSL on the PP.................I really like him as a coach, and he has done a great job overall with this group
Except..................on the PP. 32nd place on the PP with a few nice pieces
like CC and NS, KD.....but using Gally, Drouin, Armia, Dadonov types is not working...............and we are not getting anything for those types of players, no matter the so called building value for them..........
However, he may have marching orders, from above.

 

[Sorinth]

Easing the kids on to the PP would not hurt them whatsoever.......Gujlie, The Sherriff, Harris, why not we may move up to 24th on the PP?
I would do alot of things differently than MSL on the PP.................I really like him as a coach, and he has done a great job overall with this group
Except..................on the PP. 32nd place on the PP with a few nice pieces
like CC and NS, KD.....but using Gally, Drouin, Armia, Dadonov types is not working...............and we are not getting anything for those types of players, no matter the so called building value for them..........
However, he may have marching orders, from above.

I don't really disagree, but that doesn't answer the question, what would you actually do differently if the rookies weren't an option? Assuming you believed it would hurt them, what would you do differently?

The reason I bring it up is you mentioned (And many others also claim this) that we were showcase Dadnov, Drouin, etc... to try and up their trade value. When in reality the far more likely reason is that MSL just doesn't think it would be good for their development right now. Look MSL isn't perfect and he could very well be wrong, but it seems clear as day that the reason he doesn't use the rookies much on the PP is because he doesn't think it helps their development. He outright said it for Slaf, and so it's not a stretch that it's the same for the rookie Ds, he wants them focused on other things. So why do so many think it's all about showcasing or that he thinks the vets are actually better options?

 

[Captain97]

I would say, Xhekaj is closer to Weber than Guhle, and Guhle is closer to a Devon Toews type.

Hopefully Guhle could be a Suter type and Xhekay the modern Weber. Oh if only we can dream.

 

[BLONG7]

I don't really disagree, but that doesn't answer the question, what would you actually do differently if the rookies weren't an option? Assuming you believed it would hurt them, what would you do differently?

The reason I bring it up is you mentioned (And many others also claim this) that we were showcase Dadnov, Drouin, etc... to try and up their trade value. When in reality the far more likely reason is that MSL just doesn't think it would be good for their development right now. Look MSL isn't perfect and he could very well be wrong, but it seems clear as day that the reason he doesn't use the rookies much on the PP is because he doesn't think it helps their development. He outright said it for Slaf, and so it's not a stretch that it's the same for the rookie Ds, he wants them focused on other things. So why do so many think it's all about showcasing or that he thinks the vets are actually better options?

I don't believe it would hurt them..................period.
If the vets are better options, the results say we are the 32nd PP in the league, after 30 games. So, this is not the case. Changes have to be made results..........there are a ton of guys sitting on the bench.
The results tell us, MSL is wrong. And yes, I like the guy, he is the right coach for the team at this point.......but as for the PP, he is wrong in his deployment of vets.

 

[Habs Halifax]

you’d think MSL could call his buddy Vinny Lecavalier & teach these players some pp structure 1) gain possession of the blue line 2) patients 3) feed the point 4)shot the puck

The main issues I have noticed is they struggle with gaining possession and spend a lot of time doing it. Once they get it, it's small passes on the outside and the energy is to not loose the puck again vs going on offensive mode. Fragile mentality due to how long it takes them to gain entry with possession.

We need better quick one timers. Don't go shot crazy but man... we need to think shot a bit more. We are too predictable.

However, to be honest, I do think they are getting better vs what we have seen last year. % efficiency is one thing but I do think there are improvements. It's just going to take time and a better roster with less flaws in it.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I don't believe it would hurt them..................period.
If the vets are better options, the results say we are the 32nd PP in the league, after 30 games. So, this is not the case. Changes have to be made results..........there are a ton of guys sitting on the bench.
The results tell us, MSL is wrong. And yes, I like the guy, he is the right coach for the team at this point.......but as for the PP, he is wrong in his deployment of vets.

The options are just not good enough even if we can make changes. Frustrating to watch no doubt. We clearly are missing a few more offensive guys and ones that like to shoot the puck.

This team is still full of pass happy players cause their shot sucks.

 

[BLONG7]

The options are just not good enough even if we can make changes. Frustrating to watch no doubt. We clearly are missing a few more offensive guys and ones that like to shoot the puck.

This team is still full of pass happy players cause their shot sucks.

I keep coming back to Guhlie should be on PP1 and the Sherriff should be on PP2
The 5 forwards, is beyond stupid, and then we do it, and go even more stupid by making Drouin the 5th guy.
And where are we? 32nd in the league.....I mean really.
Anyhow, we all know where this is going again, we need a top 5-10 pick, plus we have FLA's

 

[Habs Halifax]

I keep coming back to Guhlie should be on PP1 and the Sherriff should be on PP2
The 5 forwards, is beyond stupid, and then we do it, and go even more stupid by making Drouin the 5th guy.
And where are we? 32nd in the league.....I mean really.
Anyhow, we all know where this is going again, we need a top 5-10 pick, plus we have FLA's

Anybody watch practice? I wonder if they are trying it behind the scenes? It seems like a logical move to make due to how we are struggling but there has to be information we don't have. Why would someone like MSL not try it? Makes no sense

The only thing I can think about is they are trying to monitor their ice time as rookies

 

[BLONG7]

Anybody watch practice? I wonder if they are trying it behind the scenes? It seems like a logical move to make due to how we are struggling but there has to be information we don't have. Why would someone like MSL not try it? Makes no sense

The only thing I can think about is they are trying to monitor their ice time as rookies

There also could be marching orders from above...............the results we got early, almost suggested this would be a quick turnaround for the habs, and we know there is no such thing. We need more good talented first rounders, and we will add at least two the upcoming draft in June.

 

[Habs Halifax]

There also could be marching orders from above...............the results we got early, almost suggested this would be a quick turnaround for the habs, and we know there is no such thing. We need more good talented first rounders, and we will add at least two the upcoming draft in June.

We are missing a few pieces yet still. Hutson may help but it's years away.

The frustrating part I see is there are moments when we have a player gain entry and has a clear shooting lane around the hash marks but he decides to circles back to get "set up". Why are we sacrificing a shot opportunity to set up along the boards for a weaker shot opportunity or a turnover?

Caufield is the only one who likes to shoot the puck. That's it

 

[BJCOLLINS]

The main issues I have noticed is they struggle with gaining possession and spend a lot of time doing it. Once they get it, it's small passes on the outside and the energy is to not loose the puck again vs going on offensive mode. Fragile mentality due to how long it takes them to gain entry with possession.

We need better quick one timers. Don't go shot crazy but man... we need to think shot a bit more. We are too predictable.

However, to be honest, I do think they are getting better vs what we have seen last year. % efficiency is one thing but I do think there are improvements. It's just going to take time and a better roster with less flaws in it.

you think they’re getting better? Well they can’t get worse, lol.

 

[Habs Halifax]

you think they’re getting better? Well they can’t get worse, lol.

For as funny as it sounds. Yes. I think they have the puck in the offensive zone more vs last year but yeah, it's nothing to brag about. I just see little gains. Adding Dach helped. We need more help

Most of our offense is coming from 3 players age 22/23. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach. Forget about everything else... this is the biggest issue.

I believe Monahan helped. PP has gone down hill a lot since his injury. Ask why would Monahan help? Big strong boy that can retrieve pucks and knows how to actually play in front of the net.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

For as funny as it sounds. Yes. I think they have the puck in the offensive zone more vs last year but yeah, it's nothing to brag about. I just see little gains. Adding Dach helped. We need more help

Most of our offense is coming from 3 players age 22/23. Suzuki, Caufield, Dach. Forget about everything else... this is the biggest issue.

I believe Monahan helped. PP has gone down hill a lot since his injury. Ask why would Monahan help? Big strong boy that can retrieve pucks and knows how to actually play in front of the net.

You’re 100%, Monahan adds patience, face off control, big body in front of the net, all the things we currently lack on the pp. Plus like many others have stated we need to put Guhle & Xhekaj on the pp with regularity.

 

[Habs Halifax]

You’re 100%, Monahan adds patience, face off control, big body in front of the net, all the things we currently lack on the pp. Plus like many others have stated we need to put Guhle & Xhekaj on the pp with regularity.

The good news? We see some progress with some youth and we are still looking at a top 10 pick. Growing pains during transition years.

I actually think we might be in the same spot next year and I'm fine with it. Just keep adding pieces that fit the core and let them grow together. We are not doing anything in terms of playoff success for a while yet

 

[CHwest]

The options are just not good enough even if we can make changes. Frustrating to watch no doubt. We clearly are missing a few more offensive guys and ones that like to shoot the puck.

This team is still full of pass happy players cause their shot sucks.

Nothing wrong with passing but we don't string any together with speed. We pass and the receiver looks around to make the next one, way to slow. Tampa, Colorado what treats to watch, everything done at high speed. We scored a powerplay goal about two games ago, CC got the goal, the team strung four quick passes together and bang in the net. We need much more of that.