Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

Harbour Dog

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Kakko is the king of xGF. I feel like the at statistic really shouldn’t be taken into consideration for I’m anymore.

I don't think his xGF has ever been that high. His xGF% has always been great, because other teams don't generate much when he's on the ice. It's been low-event hockey.

What we're seeing to start the season has only been low-event in one direction though. I think he needs an offensively aggressive, talented player like Chytil to help with getting into the zone with possession; but when he has that, they're an absolute menace together.
 

will1066

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That call in the 3rd was the worst call ive seen in years. PL probably had a good laugh with KK after the game about it.
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chosen

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It is possible. Probably optimistic but possible. I like setting high goals though. No sense in KK hoping just to get back to 20-40. If KK hits 60 points this season we will be in pretty good shape!

With that said KK's last season's production was pretty bad so I'm just going to wait and see. I have hope but KK will have to show me on the ice.

How many players a year get 60 points without power play points?

Kakko has a near zero chance of 60 points without PP.
 
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IDvsEGO

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I don't think his xGF has ever been that high. His xGF% has always been great, because other teams don't generate much when he's on the ice. It's been low-event hockey.

What we're seeing to start the season has only been low-event in one direction though. I think he needs an offensively aggressive, talented player like Chytil to help with getting into the zone with possession; but when he has that, they're an absolute menace together.
Which has been the point I made all off season. Kakko has high end hands, good vision, and great puck possession. He needs someone to get into the zone or at least open the ice more so he can get in.

Its why alot of us thought he'd be very good with Mika + Ck. because they could do that.
 

Cuckoo4Kakko

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If he gets 40+ ES points, and his line continues to be almost never on the ice for goals against, that’s a great year.
 

IDvsEGO

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How many players a year get 60 points without power play points?

Kakko has a near zero chance of 60 points without PP.
There were 6 players last year who got 60 points at 5v5.


Mackinnon at 79 (17.28 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Mcdavid at 73 (16.53 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Kucherov at 67 (16.47 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Matthews at 61 (15.80 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Panarin at 60 (15.63 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Pastrnak at 60 (15.10 minutes at 5v5 per game)


Laf in 23-24 (15.27minutes at 5v5 per game ) at 42
Kakko in 23-24 (11.92 minutes at 5v5) with 2 of the worst offensive centers ever.
Kakko in 22-23 32 points at 5v5 (13.61 minutes at 5v5)


The numbers bear it out, when kakko has a center capable of moving the puck offensively (chytil) he's not far from Laf's numbers with points/60 at even strength, and he puts up significantly better defensive numbers.

Feed them both ice time, and they'll get even better.

Sorry, when you said "that's not what the data says" I thought you were referring to his line outplaying their matchups
I mean that is what the data says, that his line outplays their matchups, significantly. almost 3:1.
The eye test shows that as well.
But we've also played 4 games (2 bubble playoff teams, 1 young fast team who is playing very well)
Toronto will be a much better test.
 

chosen

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There were 6 players last year who got 60 points at 5v5.


Mackinnon at 79 (17.28 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Mcdavid at 73 (16.53 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Kucherov at 67 (16.47 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Matthews at 61 (15.80 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Panarin at 60 (15.63 minutes at 5v5 per game)
Pastrnak at 60 (15.10 minutes at 5v5 per game)

Now there's a group that Kakko will not be joining.
 

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