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Rongomania said:
Yeah, at this point, it's going to be a trade that really bothers a lot of fans. Whether it's Otter / Perrault / Kak / Miller.

One is going to go and it's really f*ckin' lame.

And I know I'm not the only one saying it here and thinking it, but Kak is not done cooking by a long shot. And it's going to suck a truckload of c*cks watching him grow on another team if that trade happens.
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Kakko should get his fair share of the blame for not developing any offense. Trading him wouldn't be a discussion if he wasnt allergic to shooting. Even last night between periods Vally talked about how his body is never positioned toward the net for shots. His style is too European. Like he is still playing offense on the larger sheet of ice.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Kakko should get his fair share of the blame for not developing any offense. Trading him wouldn't be a discussion if he wasnt allergic to shooting. Even last night between periods Vally talked about how his body is never positioned toward the net for shots. His style is too European. Like he is still playing offense on the larger sheet of ice.
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I think it goes back to the Chytil thing more than anything. Of course Chytil gets injured and troch doesn't get to work in between the clear chemistry Kak and Cuylle have. Kak needs a TOP 6 center he can work with.. like every other top winger maybe ever?

A total mess and he's a casualty of this mess.
 
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McRanger92 said:
Kakko should get his fair share of the blame for not developing any offense. Trading him wouldn't be a discussion if he wasnt allergic to shooting. Even last night between periods Vally talked about how his body is never positioned toward the net for shots. His style is too European. Like he is still playing offense on the larger sheet of ice.
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I'm not sure how the coaches can't insist on changes, though.

I mean, demand that he be more selfish and demote him if he's not. It's like the opposite of the treatment he got from Gallant.
 
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I'm not sure how the coaches can't insist on changes, though.

I mean, demand that he be more selfish and demote him if he's not. It's like the opposite of the treatment he got from Gallant.
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As a 5 year veteran in the league, he shouldn't need coaches to be telling him to drive the middle and shoot the puck. I dont care how young he is, he isn't new to how the NHL works.
 
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As a 5 year veteran in the league, he shouldn't need coaches to be telling him to drive the middle and shoot the puck. I dont care how young he is, he isn't new to how the NHL works.
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Maybe he shouldn't need that, but I think it's clear that he does.

And while he isn't blameless, I can't help but feel his last two coaches instructed him to play the exact opposite way and now he is a 5th year player unsure of how to position himself in the offensive zone.

Lafreniere literally is just starting to figure it out now after also years of being clueless in the offensive zone.

Is it really that hard to believe that Lafreniere is more talented and a faster learner? He was, after all, a clear cut 1OA as opposed to Kakko being less highly regarded.

I very much think the coaches took special interest in Lafreniere and getting him going, offensively.

Conversely, and especially after the Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko line didn't put up stats, I think Kakko was relegated back to mid-line duty and the defensive focus that comes with it.

I think coaches need to give him special treatment and special attention. I think there is still untapped potential there and they have to treat him differently than they treat everyone else.
 
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mas0764 said:
Maybe he shouldn't need that, but I think it's clear that he does.

And while he isn't blameless, I can't help but feel his last two coaches instructed him to play the exact opposite way and now he is a 5th year player unsure of how to position himself in the offensive zone.

Lafreniere literally is just starting to figure it out now after also years of being clueless in the offensive zone.

Is it really that hard to believe that Lafreniere is more talented and a faster learner? He was, after all, a clear cut 1OA as opposed to Kakko being less highly regarded.

I very much think the coaches took special interest in Lafreniere and getting him going, offensively.

Conversely, and especially after the Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko line didn't put up stats, I think Kakko was relegated back to mid-line duty and the defensive focus that comes with it.

I think coaches need to give him special treatment and special attention. I think there is still untapped potential there and they have to treat him differently than they treat everyone else.
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I agree with @McRanger92 to a certain extent that he must shoulder some responsibility and we all know he is hard on himself.

But ... We can't forget that Krav was treated better than Kak too AND had our best player take him under his wing .. Two things which Kak never, ever had. And I'm not buying the 'loner' line - he is all homie'd up with Rants every summer, dates models. Come on. Something stinks and it's not ALL Kak.

Most certainly lots of room to grow. And I hope it's with us.
 
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I agree with @McRanger92 to a certain extent that he must shoulder some responsibility and we all know he is hard on himself.

But ... We can't forget that Krav was treated better than Kak too AND had our best player take him under his wing .. Two things which Kak never, ever had. And I'm not buying the 'loner' line - he is all homie'd up with Rants every summer, dates models. Come on. Something stinks and it's not ALL Kak.

Most certainly lots of room to grow. And I hope it's with us.
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Maybe his teammates dont like playing with him? Im not in the room but Panarin never wanted to and Mika/Kreider play 2 on 3 with him on that line.

I will say playing with Kakko through his career to this point has been a lot of him skating around with the puck and doing not a whole lot of passing or shooting with it, aka involving his teammates.. He can defend and is very good in the neutral zone though. Probably explains why his last 2 coaches prefer him on the 3rd line.
 
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Maybe his teammates dont like playing with him? Im not in the room but Panarin never wanted to and Mika/Kreider play 2 on 3 with him on that line.

I will say playing with Kakko through his career to this point has been a lot of him skating around with the puck and doing not a whole lot of passing or shooting with it, aka involving his teammates.. He can defend and is very good in the neutral zone though. Probably explains why his last 2 coaches prefer him on the 3rd line.
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Yeah, plus the emergence of that deadly PP reeeally f*cked his (and Lafs) development.

Which is a huge reason why I want to see it through until those two get on a PP1 together.
 
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I promise you no coach told him NOT to go to the middle and shoot the puck
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Yes, but I am positive they told him not turn the pick over, so he plays way more passive then he should. His line finally had a good cycle going in the third period, and the defender on him was very aggressive in trying to body him. He was able to still control and had multiple opportunities to turn back toward the middle of the ice, but stayed along the boards and passed it back towards the point. The coaches need to show him this and push him to use his skills to create more offense, like he showed in all the games around the time he was drafted.
 
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I guess Jack Eichel and Clayton Keller didn't get the memo when they played for him as freshmen at BU.
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I'm not defending Kakko failing to create offense, just taking a shot at Quinn. Because yes, he did literally tell his Rangers team to not stickhandle on breakaways.
 
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If he hasn’t been able to figure out that playing on the perimeter isn’t going to lead to him creating offense than he’s pretty dumb. I’m tired of hearing about coaches and lack of opportunit. He had plenty of opportunity last night to make strong plays to the net and he refuses. That’s his problem.
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Exactly. And again no coach told him not to get to the middle of the ice. Not even that idiot David Quinn. He’s allergic to the middle of the ice. He’s allergic to wanting to make a play with the puck to the net. He loves to hold it on the boards and do nothing. He cannot skate. Zero first step similar to Lias in that regard unfortunately so he gets no separation, but he should be able to be strong enough to get to the net and make plays. He doesn’t want to and when he does he panics. He doesn’t even get the shot off half the time. A real sad sack but at worst he should be what he was last year. A 40 pt middle 6 two way guy. What he’s done this year is flat out ridiculous
 
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Kevin the Terminator said:
Hello friends from the Rangerhood. Lifelong Leaf fan here. Kakko is one of my favorite players to watch but he just doesn't have any linemates on the Rangers. He most likely will break out somewhere else. I'm frustrated to see how the Rangers ruin this ultimate prospect. What would it take to get Kakko to Toronto? Kakko would be awesome with Matthews, kind of like Hyman with McDavid.
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I agree with most of your assessment, he doesn't have the linemates and he will breakout somewhere else, but a Hyman he is not. He hasn't got the speed, nor the - and it pains my heart to write this - edge.

For me personally, it would take assets the Leafs don't have.
 
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I don't think Kak necessarily 'needs' a C who can score a ton 5v5, I just think that's what would unlock that next level in him. We can't provide that.

If Dru can find a way to get a good offensive center here, Kak and Cuylle can handle the back checks. They need a 3C who can generate offense consistently. Bump brodz down to the 4th and have a completely defensively responsible 4th line.
 
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The biggest problem for Kakko is that he needs other cycle guys to work with. However, this also exposes his inability to create his own offense or to be the driver of a line. If a player needs very specific pieces around him to produce, that player is not the guy you can consistently count on to do things. I really want him to succeed, but at this point he is a complimentary player at best, not a difference maker. He was supposed to be a difference maker. High draft picks are drafted high because of the expectation of being a real difference maker, regardless of who they are playing with.
 
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