Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

[bhamill]

Then why don't all players under a specific coach or team develop?

Really? That one is easy. Because, as I originally said, it’s definitely A factor but not the ONLY factor.

 

[mas0764]

Really? That one is easy. Because, as I originally said, it’s definitely A factor but not the ONLY factor.

You would think that answer would be obvious.

Awaiting a coherent defense of your position.

More than a dozen coaches and GMs have been here, but none of them knew how to develop forwards.

I've already pointed out some forwards, who by your definition developed here.

Do you believe Kucherov, McDavid, Jack Hughes wouldn't have developed as Rangers?

Did Buffalo fail to develop Reinhart because he is now great on Florida?

Did Buffalo develop Tage Thompson? He's become an excellent player with Buffalo.

Do you believe that Buffalo chose to develop one and not the other?

How do you explain the difference?

I could cite a barrelful of similar examples. At what point will you understand that how a player performs is dependent on the player?

Other than stamping your feet, you havenn't presented a reasoned argument for your theory.

I literally addressed all this.

Sticking your fingers in your ears isn't a rebuttal.

 

[McRanger92]

I think Kakko will develop into a very effective middle 6 player if we stick him with Cuylle and put an NHL center between them. Still has to play meaner buy hopefully Cuylle can bring that out of him.

 

[Ruggs225]

I think Kakko will develop into a very effective middle 6 player if we stick him with Cuylle and put an NHL center between them. Still has to play meaner buy hopefully Cuylle can bring that out of him.

Cuylle-lundell-kakko

One can dream

 

[NickyFotiu]

Awaiting a coherent defense of your position.

More than a dozen coaches and GMs have been here, but none of them knew how to develop forwards.

I've already pointed out some forwards, who by your definition developed here.

Do you believe Kucherov, McDavid, Jack Hughes wouldn't have developed as Rangers?

Did Buffalo fail to develop Reinhart because he is now great on Florida?

Did Buffalo develop Tage Thompson? He's become an excellent player with Buffalo.

Do you believe that Buffalo chose to develop one and not the other?

How do you explain the difference?

I could cite a barrelful of similar examples. At what point will you understand that how a player performs is dependent on the player?

Other than stamping your feet, you havenn't presented a reasoned argument for your theory.



Then why don't all players under a specific coach or team develop?

The Oilers who had McDavid and Leo develop just fine just decided not to develop Yakupov. Do not ask me why. I do not think logic is allowed in these discussions.

 

[McRanger92]

Cuylle-lundell-kakko

One can dream

Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko would be our best 3rd line since Zucc-Brass-Pouliot

 

[TheDirtyH]

The Oilers who had McDavid and Leo develop just fine just decided not to develop Yakupov. Do not ask me why. I do not think logic is allowed in these discussions.

McDavid the most hyped prospect since Gretzky who probably could've been a PPG NHLer at 16 and Draisaitl who was considered on his way to bustdom and a reach until he spent consistent time on PP1 and glued to a top line talent...? Those guys?

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

The Oilers who had McDavid and Leo develop just fine just decided not to develop Yakupov. Do not ask me why. I do not think logic is allowed in these discussions.

Alternatively, things can be multifactorial and a player's development can be a combination of their effort level and how their skills translate, the coaching staff's willingness to expose that player to growth opportunities, and the organization providing feedback to the player that shapes their game optimally in the future.

Many posters here (not you) make this very black-and-white, one-or-the-other (like many things in today's you-must-post-the-whole-answer-in-140-characters-world), but those who pretend organizations don't play a significant role in player development is just naive.

 

[NickyFotiu]

Any thoughts on KKs stick length? I was reading an article about him at a world tournament. I thought KK kept the puck really close to his body but I didn't realize how short of a stick he was using until I saw a picture of it next to a teammates stick. Is that making it easier to defend him? Is it inhibiting his ability to get a larger number of shots off? I used to use a stick that was too long but too short could be limiting his game as well.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

Any thoughts on KKs stick length? I was reading an article about him at a world tournament. I thought KK kept the puck really close to his body but I didn't realize how short of a stick he was using until I saw a picture of it next to a teammates stick. Is that making it easier to defend him? Is it inhibiting his ability to get a larger number of shots off? I used to use a stick that was too long but too short could be limiting his game as well.

Apparently it's been a thing his entire career. To the point that former teammates and staff in Finland used to switch his sticks on him to give him a longer one and he would always find out and cut it back down again.

It'd be an interesting battle for someone to fight, but it sounds like KK is pretty set in his ways on stick length.

 

[bl02]

Cuylle-Dowd-Kakko would be our best 3rd line since Zucc-Brass-Pouliot

I hope that happens. Avoids a lot of disaster going for some of the "better" high priced guys.
He would be a good fit. Just hard to pinpoint what he's worth? Could range from a first rounder all the way to a 4th rounder plus b prospect. I hope closer to the latter.

 

[chosen]

The Oilers who had McDavid and Leo develop just fine just decided not to develop Yakupov. Do not ask me why. I do not think logic is allowed in these discussions.

The simple explanation is that a team is only allowed to develop 2 forwards.

Lots of rumors that Kakko is being actively shopped by Drury.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

The Oilers who had McDavid and Leo develop just fine just decided not to develop Yakupov. Do not ask me why. I do not think logic is allowed in these discussions.

or maybe Yakupov was just never that good and went number 1 because 2012 was the worst draft since 1999 especially for forward talent.

Jack Hughes is the best illustration of development. He was complete ass as a rookie, not even NHL caliber.

Year 2 he barely produced 30 points despite being given monster minutes in all the best offensive situations.

It paid off, because by year 3 he exploded.

Offensive players need offensive minutes.

Kakko was given 3rd/4th line minutes his whole career and became a 3rd line defensive forward.

No he didn’t have Hughes upside but he should be a better player than he turned out to be.

 

[NickyFotiu]

The simple explanation is that a team is only allowed to develop 2 forwards.

Lots of rumors that Kakko is being actively shopped by Drury.

I forgot that rule!

 

[NickyFotiu]

or maybe Yakupov was just never that good and went number 1 because 2012 was the worst draft since 1999 especially for forward talent.

Jack Hughes is the best illustration of development. He was complete ass as a rookie, not even NHL caliber.

Year 2 he barely produced 30 points despite being given monster minutes in all the best offensive situations.

It paid off, because by year 3 he exploded.

Offensive players need offensive minutes.

Kakko was given 3rd/4th line minutes his whole career and became a 3rd line defensive forward.

No he didn’t have Hughes upside but he should be a better player than he turned out to be.

I do not think KK has ever averaged less than 14 minutes a game in any season until this year which probably would be around 14 minutes as well if he did not just play less than half a game in times he was injured. For his career he has averaged 14:42 a game. How many 4th line players play 14-15 minutes a game?

 

[cwede]

don't agree with urgency to move him,
KK and Marchand each had their first 40 point season at 22
NYRs struggles at 5-on-5 this season are a problem throughout the lineup

sharing Steve's take as FYI

 

[CLW]

Any thoughts on KKs stick length? I was reading an article about him at a world tournament. I thought KK kept the puck really close to his body but I didn't realize how short of a stick he was using until I saw a picture of it next to a teammates stick. Is that making it easier to defend him? Is it inhibiting his ability to get a larger number of shots off? I used to use a stick that was too long but too short could be limiting his game as well.

That's years ago. Now he's using a pretty standard length stick. Not hard to see.

 

[NickyFotiu]

That's years ago. Now he's using a pretty standard length stick. Not hard to see.

Is it? Thought what I saw was from last summer. If it was 3 years ago I apologize.

 

[KevinFinnerty]

this is a draft pick that constantly leaves me with blue balls. he should be much better than he is. I'd trade him for a C or D and a pick.

 

[TopShelfSnipes]

That's years ago. Now he's using a pretty standard length stick. Not hard to see.

While it's not ironclad, I took a quick gander around the pro stock stick market for Kakko sticks.

The majority of the Kakko pro stock sticks I see listed online are 58", which would already be short for someone who's 6'3" - and that's assuming he doesn't cut them down at all.

It does seem like he's upped the flex since the original article ran about him using a short stick though. Looks like he's using 75 now instead of 65. He may have lengthened the stick somewhat, but it's still short for his size.

 

[Crease]

Not a perfect comp but I kind of see Jesper Fast with better hands. Shame to net that with 2OA but not a bad player to have in the lineup at the right contract.

 

[McRanger92]

Not a perfect comp but I kind of see Jesper Fast with better hands. Shame to net that with 2OA but not a bad player to have in the lineup at the right contract.

It will be easier for Kakko and Cuylle to have space to get to the middle on that line once they have a center who can drive the net. Brodzinski is nothing more than a good soldier and 13th forward.

 

[Rongomania]

It will be easier for Kakko and Cuylle to have space to get to the middle on that line once they have a center who can drive the net. Brodzinski is nothing more than a good soldier and 13th forward.

They never gave the kid a top 6 center to work with this season.

Zib is shit 5v5 this year and he and Kreids are a very annoying twosome in general 5v5. Keep it out of our net rather well, but outside of that, meh 5v5.

I'm interested in seeing us grab a good young top 6 C and bumping Kreids down to play with said new dude & wheels. I want to see Zib in between Kak & Cuylle.

 

[McRanger92]

They never gave the kid a top 6 center to work with this season.

Zib is shit 5v5 this year and he and Kreids are a very annoying twosome in general 5v5. Keep it out of our net rather well, but outside of that, meh 5v5.

I'm interested in seeing us grab a good young top 6 C and bumping Kreids down to play with said new dude & wheels. I want to see Zib in between Kak & Cuylle.

Losing Chytil was massive for how it effects the rest of the roster. I thought they couldve put Filip back with Panarin & Laf, and bumped Trocheck down to the middle between Cuylle and Kakko where he is a perfect fit. I think they should be all over Pinto if he is available during these Ottawa contract talks this summer, but thats a trade that may require Kakko going the other way.

 

[Rongomania]

Losing Chytil was massive for how it effects the rest of the roster. I thought they couldve put Filip back with Panarin & Laf, and bumped Trocheck down to the middle between Cuylle and Kakko where he is a perfect fit. I think they should be all over Pinto if he is available during these Ottawa contract talks this summer, but thats a trade that may require Kakko going the other way.

Yeah, at this point, it's going to be a trade that really bothers a lot of fans. Whether it's Otter / Perrault / Kak / Miller.

One is going to go and it's really f*ckin' lame.

And I know I'm not the only one saying it here and thinking it, but Kak is not done cooking by a long shot. And it's going to suck a truckload of c*cks watching him grow on another team if that trade happens.