Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko

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LokiDog

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I firmly believe that the “Gallant just ruined the relationship” posters are the same people who believe a comet is due to collide with the earth and end civilization, according to an ancient Mayan calendar which may be anywhere from 1-1000 years off.

Kakko isn’t going to demand a trade. The drama is 100% fan made conjecture. He’ll sign a reasonable bridge deal very, very likely within the next 4 weeks and hopefully show up having had a very productive off season. I’d rather he stay here and work with teammates than return to Finland for the full time.
 

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He didn't say anything bad though? He is 100% right though, we can't have an unsigned Kakko come the 13th or we risk losing him for a crummy 1st round pick, which could be in the late 20s for all we know. Didn't help at all that GG has given him the short end of the straw all season and the mighty scratch for the final game of the season over a terrible player.

He implies that trading him may be something to consider. It’s not. He has to be signed first and if you have no money for Copp then oh well.
 
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Really wanna see him train with CK and the rest of the Rangers that go to Prentiss in the off season. Work on his speed and bond with his team mates. What he has done in Finland hasn't really translated on the Ice from what we've seen so far.
Very much this. Summers in Finland are very sweet, but he really needs to work on all round agility and speed and the Prentiss approach is tailor made. So many of us have said this every summer. Also the point about adapting further to US culture is important.
 

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He implies that trading him may be something to consider. It’s not. He has to be signed first and if you have no money for Copp then oh well.
Well we need to sign him before that date. If he is pissed at us now because of GG and won't sign, we might have to unfortunately or risk losing him for basically nothing. And I DON'T want to trade him.
 
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Well we need to sign him before that date. If he is pissed at us now because of GG and won't sign, we might have to unfortunately or risk losing him for basically nothing. And I DON'T want to trade him.

I mean, I keep the space open until the offer sheet period is over so I can match up to the 4 first round tier.
 

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why wouldn't he sign it? Financially you're comparing 2 years making 4.5mm total with the Rangers to 6mm for 1 year. Devils have already looked great offensively, will be adding a beast in slafkovsky, have an additional $9mm in space from moving on from subban, and are - for as much as i hate to say it - a free agent goaltender signing away from legitimately competing for a playoff spot in the metro.

It's way too risky of a move for us to make. We can't be moving an unprotected first when we have the uncertainty that we do. I do agree that with a goalie we could be in the hunt. What if we get a goalie and they get hurt again though and we end up near the bottom again? A team in our position in not in the place to be making that move. Now a sure fire playoff team with the space to do it should be all over this. For the Devils I'd go 4.2 and 2nd round compensation. That should be a pretty easy decision to match for you guys even if you makes you more uncomfortable cap wise. You can't be letting your 21 year old 2nd overall pick walk to a rival for a 2nd rounder. I'm also really really hoping it's not Slaf. He's super overrated.
 

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I don't believe in this drama stuff either.

GG screwed up scratching him. It is what it is. Lucky we can't pay for some of the vets so we have to play the kids more next year. Then they get a real chance to prove it. If they can't, rebuild part 2!!!
 

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Did Dryden Hunt take a PK shift? If he did then there's your answer; Gallant always wants a lot of options for killing penalties and while he didn't know Strome legitimately couldn't turn he knew he wasn't 100%.

I don't think it was disciplinary but I do think Kakko has probably been an awkward and gloomy presence around the team compared to a guy like Laffy, who also isn't meeting expectations but is such a vibrant personality, and that counts for something.

Kakko needs to play his game his way and since I do see the talent, I hope there's the right plan, the right linemates and a lot of icetime for him next year. And here, not in Buffalo!

There is. The Kid line. The perfect environment for all three to grow into the best version of the players they are. But the Rangers won't do that because Galaxy Brains and Troglodyte Hockey.
 
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I was one of those who wasn't totally excited about the kid line being together going into the playoffs but they quickly grew on me. My worry was GG would not play them much due to not trusting them but It was obvious they were more effective than any other line down low in the ozone. Of course they get broken up and one of them gets scratched on the final day of the season. So as much excitement and promise they brought during these high stakes games I have no idea what to expect going into 2022-2023 when we in fact should be seeing them as our second line to start the season.
 

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I was one of those who wasn't totally excited about the kid line being together going into the playoffs but they quickly grew on me. My worry was GG would not play them much due to not trusting them but It was obvious they were more effective than any other line down low in the ozone. Of course they get broken up and one of them gets scratched on the final day of the season. So as much excitement and promise they brought during these high stakes games I have no idea what to expect going into 2022-2023 when we in fact should be seeing them as our second line to start the season.
The reason the kids ended up on the Kid line at the start of the playoffs is that they don't fit in with either Panarin or Zibs. Now, we already have people saying they need top 6 minutes next year playing with Panarin or Zibs. We already know this is not ideal but still we go back around and around the same circle. Make it make sense. Play the Kid line and stop tripping yourself up.

And, play Kravtsov with Kreider and Zibs, Kravtsov is never a "third line" player just like none of Fil, Kakko and Laf are. Kravtsov is another kid who got Quinned badly his first time around.

In this scenario Panarin's albatross contract becomes the problem, so now we are at the "sign now and figure the rest out later" part of this UFA signing. Panarin is unquestionably a great talent, but I doubt the CBJ Panarin will ever be seen again, and we can't have the Panarin line ghost the playoffs again when we are competing.
 

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The reason the kids ended up on the Kid line at the start of the playoffs is that they don't fit in with either Panarin or Zibs. Now, we already have people saying they need top 6 minutes next year playing with Panarin or Zibs. We already know this is not ideal but still we go back around and around the same circle. Make it make sense. Play the Kid line and stop tripping yourself up.

And, play Kravtsov with Kreider and Zibs, Kravtsov is never a "third line" player just like none of Fil, Kakko and Laf are. Kravtsov is another kid who got Quinned badly his first time around.

In this scenario Panarin's albatross contract becomes the problem, so now we are at the "sign now and figure the rest out later" part of this UFA signing. Panarin is unquestionably a great talent, but I doubt the CBJ Panarin will ever be seen again, and we can't have the Panarin line ghost the playoffs again when we are competing.

I doubt Panarin would waive more than I doubt that Kreider or Trouba would, but I would certainly not make him unavailable depending on the return.
 

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Again, it’s an elimination game of the Conference Finals. Barring an injury there’s no justifiable reason to sit a guy who had been playing extremely well for a replacement level grinder who hasn’t played all playoffs.
1. He was playing light years from extremely well.
2. Without knowing why he was sat, your statement doesn't make all that much sense. Gallant was clearly livid with Kakko. Hopefully, we'll find out why. Then we'll know if you're right or wrong.
 

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Hear, hear. I'll add for the people hyperfixated on "points" or "draft position" that Kakko or Laffy could easily have had 30+ points passing the puck to Fox/Mika/Kreider on the PP1, which is what covered Panarin's ass all year. "Points" is not at all the whole picture.
Agree.

Lafreniere would have been a 30 goal scorer this year if he was on the top PP unit. He scored 19 EV goals getting no PP time and junk time at even strength. Kakko could have put up more points as well, I agree. I would have had Kakko on the PK and in the top 6. Lafreniere I would have had on PP1 and in the top 6.

These two will lead the way of Gallant pulls his head out of his rear end.
 

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Love Laf but very pessimistic on Kakko... Just so limited with speed and plays with so little physicality.
 

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The people saying Kakko is a bust and wanting him gone are most likely too young to remember guys like Amonte, Weight, Kovalev and how the Rangers in their infinite wisdom got rid of them (and later got rid of Zubov) who all went on to HOF or borderline HOF careers. Or how they completely destroyed Sundstrom. Probably too young to even remember Duclair. I don't care that the Cup was won in 94, they sold their future for one crack at it and it barely worked out. They could have had a core of Messier, Graves, Leetch. Zubov, Amonte, Kovalev, Weight for a decade or more. Instead they won a Cup and then proceeded to enter the dark ages while NJ held on to their core and won 3 Cups. People ignore or try to erase their past mistakes are doomed to repeat them in some form or fashion.

And I'll say this, while not as gifted because there's not alot of people in history at this sport who are, Kakko reminds me a hell of a lot of a young Kovalev. Especially how he controlls the puck on the boards. With so much raw gifted talent and a clear language barrier, he needs time to grow into his own man and own player. Go ahead and trade him to Pittsburgh so he can become a 40 goal scorer with Crosby or Malkin like Kovalev became with Lemieux and Jagr. The situations are eerily similar.

Kakko is 21 years old. He's already our best forward at controlling the puck down low on the cycle. He was part of the best line on the team by a wide margin the entire playoffs.

It's amazing how much instant gratification is needed by people. He was a 2nd overall pick but that doesn't automatically mean that player will reach his prime at 21. Players still need to develop.

And Hunt, Rooney, and injured Strome were NOT better options than Kakko even with how young he is and how much of a work in progress he is.

Remember this post, if the Rangers lose Kakko due to their typical self destructive stupidity, they and the fans will rue that decision for a long time.

Stats to open career with Rangers

Tony Amonte: 162 games (2 seasons, age 21-22), 68 goals, 145 points
Alexei Kovalev: 141 games (2 seasons, age 19-20), 43 goals, 94 points
Kaapo Kakko: 156 games (3 seasons, age 18-20), 26 goals, 58 points

Left out Weight because he only played 118 games (23 goals, 70 points) with the Rangers.

Point being that all of these guys showed significantly more than Kaapo Kakko to start their careers. It's not really the same. The Rangers shouldn't trade him for peanuts, and maybe shouldn't trade him at all just yet, but if he still has good value on the market because some teams still overrate his value based on draft pedigree like many on this board do, then due diligence is required. One more season like the first 3 and Kakko's value might very well be next to nothing. Looked at as a run of the mill 3rd liner.
 

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Stats to open career with Rangers

Tony Amonte: 162 games (2 seasons, age 21-22), 68 goals, 145 points
Alexei Kovalev: 141 games (2 seasons, age 19-20), 43 goals, 94 points
Kaapo Kakko: 156 games (3 seasons, age 18-20), 26 goals, 58 points

Left out Weight because he only played 118 games (23 goals, 70 points) with the Rangers.

Point being that all of these guys showed significantly more than Kaapo Kakko to start their careers. It's not really the same. The Rangers shouldn't trade him for peanuts, and maybe shouldn't trade him at all just yet, but if he still has good value on the market because some teams still overrate his value based on draft pedigree like many on this board do, then due diligence is required. One more season like the first 3 and Kakko's value might very well be next to nothing. Looked at as a run of the mill 3rd liner.

Kind of a different era.
 

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Sure, but the production was good for that era. Kakko's isn't good for this era.

I'm not saying there is no reason to be concerned, but I think we are talking about wildly different scenarios comparing him to Kovalev or Amonte.

I think one of the biggest things we are learning is that he was not as NHL ready as thought. I still believe there is a very good player there. Is it a Kaprizov level player? No, I'm not saying that, but nonetheless it's not someone I'm willing to trade away without getting something I'm quite sure is a young great player back.
 

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Can't wait to hear this horseshit tomorrow. I really like gallant but f*ck man that still stings. Kakko got the Quinn treatment 100%. It's getting pretty f*cking old. Get him signed and let's start next season already please.
 
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1. He was playing light years from extremely well.
2. Without knowing why he was sat, your statement doesn't make all that much sense. Gallant was clearly livid with Kakko. Hopefully, we'll find out why. Then we'll know if you're right or wrong.
KK had around 4 or 5 points in 19 games. That is not only poor but it was well behind the other two kids. I want KK to be great but some people should stop acting like we scratched Cam Neely. Guys need to produce to get their jobs and keep their jobs. Chytil and Laf both stepped up but KK stayed around the same at best. Im still on his side but he has to earn it.
 
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Habs fan here. Also a yanks fan so hopefully we can all watch the pinstripes try to win in spite of Boone this year but I don't watch many rangers games. I'm not surprised with how far they got. I picked them to make the ECF and lose to Tampa actually. But what is going on with Kakko. Not that I want the Habs to trade for him but I'm actually curious why he's sucking so much. What about his game is limiting him, because he is obviously talented. If you were to give an objective take, do you think he'll be a great player in the future or do you think he's closer to being an eventual bust?
 

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KK had around 4 or 5 points in 19 games. That is not only poor but it was well behind the other two kids. I want KK to be great but some people should stop acting like we scratched Cam Neely. Guys need to produce to get their jobs and keep their jobs. Chytil and Laf both stepped up but KK stayed around the same at best. Im still on his side but he has to earn it.
"Well behind". 4 points from Chytil and Laf, people need to stop acting like Laf and Chytil was some how impressing in these playoffs.

Disgusting to read this thread, 21 years old player with almost a season ending injury, but go ahead.
 
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I firmly believe that the “Gallant just ruined the relationship” posters are the same people who believe a comet is due to collide with the earth and end civilization, according to an ancient Mayan calendar which may be anywhere from 1-1000 years off.

Kakko isn’t going to demand a trade. The drama is 100% fan made conjecture. He’ll sign a reasonable bridge deal very, very likely within the next 4 weeks and hopefully show up having had a very productive off season. I’d rather he stay here and work with teammates than return to Finland for the full time.

You are in for a rude awakening.

A trade request is very possible. Why would he want to continue here? It’s not in the best interest of his career progression.

Brooks is spot on.

I expect there are at least a handful of teams willing to throw a multi year $4.2m+ deal at Kakko.
 

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Habs fan here. Also a yanks fan so hopefully we can all watch the pinstripes try to win in spite of Boone this year but I don't watch many rangers games. I'm not surprised with how far they got. I picked them to make the ECF and lose to Tampa actually. But what is going on with Kakko. Not that I want the Habs to trade for him but I'm actually curious why he's sucking so much. What about his game is limiting him, because he is obviously talented. If you were to give an objective take, do you think he'll be a great player in the future or do you think he's closer to being an eventual bust?
Hey man, maybe you might wanna formulate the question in this form "Is he really sucking that much?"

Imagine someone from the Rags forum coming over to yours earlier this season, when he struggled, asking "why is Caufield sucking so much?".
 
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