Player Discussion Kaapo Kakko: Part V

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bud, i get your take yet if he didn’t have endurance he wouldn’t have even been drafted in the top 10 or be in the NHL today imo. When you play hockey, how do you not get in shape by simply playing? He’s a young kid strengthening both his legs and back. He has a very long road before he’s packing on a ton of muscle.

At his age you want to pack on some mass to build up that frame of his, but the plyometric and explosive training is also very beneficial as well. All we've really seen him do are squats and stairs, so we really arent sure what else they've been working on with him.

Hockey specific exercises, especially quick bursts with weights for all body parts is important. You want to mimic the moves of the sport you are playing. The stairs are great for endurance and hopefully they are working on foot speed along with it.

But I agree. Kakko already has the engine built. He wouldnt have been a second overall if he didnt have that naturally and through the training in his younger years.

V02 max levels are something that is naturally inherent a persons body. Some people just can get off the coach and run further and have more endurance than someone who trains their ass off and just dont have it in their system. It can be improved through systematic training, but at high athletic levels it is something that is genetic.
 
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I seriously doubt that. But would to see a link. Because that's Laine/Ovechkin/Byfuglien/Weber territory.
Plus it is also a stat that gets brought up in every scouting report ....first I have heard of it and if he can shoot like that he best start unloading some of them .
 
If both Kakko and Lafrenière fail to live up to expectations, I am convinced there's something fundamentally wrong with this organisation.
If they can raise the compete level between them, Laf -KK and Kravs for points with one trying to outdo the other without doing stupid stuff like Kovalev would do ....it would be of a great benefit for our offense and take some pressure off of Fox-Bread-Zibs .
 
At his age you want to pack on some mass to build up that frame of his, but the plyometric and explosive training is also very beneficial as well. All we've really seen him do are squats and stairs, so we really arent sure what else they've been working on with him.

Hockey specific exercises, especially quick bursts with weights for all body parts is important. You want to mimic the moves of the sport you are playing. The stairs are great for endurance and hopefully they are working on foot speed along with it.

But I agree. Kakko already has the engine built. He wouldnt have been a second overall if he didnt have that naturally and through the training in his younger years.

V02 max levels are something that is naturally inherent a persons body. Some people just can get off the coach and run further and have more endurance than someone who trains their ass off and just dont have it in their system. It can be improved through systematic training, but at high athletic levels it is something that is genetic.
I was surprised to find out my VO2 max is in line with typically the very top performers in the NHL draft combine. Turns out when I looked at my blood test results over the last 5 years my body naturally has an elevated red blood cell count (which vastly improves VO2 max performance). Apparently having a high RBC count can be bad for you but no doctor has ever expressed concern and just said my results were normal, even though I’m outside of normal range
 
I was surprised to find out my VO2 max is in line with typically the very top performers in the NHL draft combine. Turns out when I looked at my blood test results over the last 5 years my body naturally has an elevated red blood cell count (which vastly improves VO2 max performance). Apparently having a high RBC count can be bad for you but no doctor has ever expressed concern and just said my results were normal, even though I’m outside of normal range

Yes! Everyone is built differently. That's cool and you have an advantage over most athletes your age, naturally. Something similar happened to me too.

I've played tons of sports my entire life, but I absolutely hated running. About 3 years ago after moving to a nicer neighborhood I just felt a need to try running so I pushed myself to start. I became absolutely addicted to it. I run over 1000K a year now. A few friends asked me if I wanted to run a 5k and I placed very highly for a 40 year old. I freakin medaled in my age group in the 2nd 5K that I ever ran and I had no idea what I was doing with my running stride, training, proper sneakers, etc.

All I knew about was proper diet that literally took me years of playing hockey to figure out. That in of itself is of upmost importance as you get older - but thats another story all together.

I continued to run and later read a book called "The Lore of Running" which is considered the bible of running. Written by a physician and research scientist it gives you incomparable detail on physiology, training, racing, injuries, world-class athletes, and races. I read about how some people just naturally have a physiological advantage and I assumed I was in that category. You are too it seems.

Point is, a lot of hockey players and pro athletes just have it. You look at the bodies of Buch (very skinny) Ovy & Byfuglien (likely considered overweight), guys like Alexi Zhamnov who smoked a pack a day and during intermissions, Hasek & Daneyko (who I really like as a person, no disrespect) who were drunk all of the time, etc. You can't judge a book by its cover, in any sport but especially hockey. Its not all about big burly guys and jacked quads & pecs.

Of course its nice and all of the supplemental specified training will no doubt increase your performance on the ice. It takes a professional approach in all areas to maintain success in this league, especially these days. You could probably get away on talent alone decades ago. But some people have physiological (and mental I might add) advantages others do not. For those that don't they have to work twice as hard to keep pace.

That's why test data from the combine is so important. You can get a good idea of the baselines of the kids coming in before they become men and understand who possesses these inherent advantages.

If I recall Kakko tested very highly on the TPS squad, but im not sure if he was at the combine that draft.
 
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Dude, that is Photoshopped. Ask @EdJovanovski

Photoshopped or not, it's damn funny.

Anyway, which picture is photoshopped, the old version? The middle pic looks like it's from some magazine, so it probably is cleaned up to some extent. I mean, someone could have definitely photoshopped parts of it, but that's pretty much what Dolph looked like at his peek. From Rocky and all those years. ROfl, but maybe they photoshopped below the belt a bit haha.

And the first picture, well, if that is photoshopped they did a good job. And I am not sure what they would have changed about that pic.

Anyway, it's more about the laughing than the accuracy.
 
At his age you want to pack on some mass to build up that frame of his, but the plyometric and explosive training is also very beneficial as well. All we've really seen him do are squats and stairs, so we really arent sure what else they've been working on with him.

Hockey specific exercises, especially quick bursts with weights for all body parts is important. You want to mimic the moves of the sport you are playing. The stairs are great for endurance and hopefully they are working on foot speed along with it.

But I agree. Kakko already has the engine built. He wouldnt have been a second overall if he didnt have that naturally and through the training in his younger years.

V02 max levels are something that is naturally inherent a persons body. Some people just can get off the coach and run further and have more endurance than someone who trains their ass off and just dont have it in their system. It can be improved through systematic training, but at high athletic levels it is something that is genetic.

They are working on foot speed. Reijo Ristolainen said in an interview he was surprised he had better results than last summer despite having a bad case of Covid this spring. His main focus this summer was on foot speed, so since he was in the Marko Rautala group no doubt it was a big part of the training.
 
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They are working on foot speed. Reijo Ristolainen said in an interview he was surprised he had better results than last summer despite having a bad case of Covid this spring. His main focus this summer was on foot speed, so since he was in the Marko Rautala group no doubt it was a big part of the training.

Cool good to hear. I know some people take issue with Kakko's speed- I never thought he was that slow. But increasing foot speed is going to help him get quicker and will be a real benefit along the walls, changing direction, which is already a strength of his.
 
Yes! Everyone is built differently. That's cool and you have an advantage over most athletes your age, naturally. Something similar happened to me too.

I've played tons of sports my entire life, but I absolutely hated running. About 3 years ago after moving to a nicer neighborhood I just felt a need to try running so I pushed myself to start. I became absolutely addicted to it. I run over 1000K a year now. A few friends asked me if I wanted to run a 5k and I placed very highly for a 40 year old. I freakin medaled in my age group in the 2nd 5K that I ever ran and I had no idea what I was doing with my running stride, training, proper sneakers, etc.

All I knew about was proper diet that literally took me years of playing hockey to figure out. That in of itself is of upmost importance as you get older - but thats another story all together.

I continued to run and later read a book called "The Lore of Running" which is considered the bible of running. Written by a physician and research scientist it gives you incomparable detail on physiology, training, racing, injuries, world-class athletes, and races. I read about how some people just naturally have a physiological advantage and I assumed I was in that category. You are too it seems.

Point is, a lot of hockey players and pro athletes just have it. You look at the bodies of Buch (very skinny) Ovy & Byfuglien (likely considered overweight), guys like Alexi Zhamnov who smoked a pack a day and during intermissions, Hasek & Daneyko (who I really like as a person, no disrespect) who were drunk all of the time, etc. You can't judge a book by its cover, in any sport but especially hockey. Its not all about big burly guys and jacked quads & pecs.

Of course its nice and all of the supplemental specified training will no doubt increase your performance on the ice. It takes a professional approach in all areas to maintain success in this league, especially these days. You could probably get away on talent alone decades ago. But some people have physiological (and mental I might add) advantages others do not. For those that don't they have to work twice as hard to keep pace.

That's why test data from the combine is so important. You can get a good idea of the baselines of the kids coming in before they become men and understand who possesses these inherent advantages.

If I recall Kakko tested very highly on the TPS squad, but im not sure if he was at the combine that draft.

The top athletes just have it as you say. That's why even if millions of kids train since childhood, only a very few become stars and a handful generational stars. The generational stars are just wired differently, and no amount of training can catch up or compensate. Ovechkin barely trains during the offseason, he mostly does on ice training and still he is a tank and physical freak.

Another example is Hedman. There is a test for how much pressure you put on your feet as you move. Everyone favors one leg or the other using that one ever so slightly more. Having an exact 50/50 ratio is basically unheard of, but Hedman has that.
 
The top athletes just have it as you say. That's why even if millions of kids train since childhood, only a very few become stars and a handful generational stars. The generational stars are just wired differently, and no amount of training can catch up or compensate. Ovechkin barely trains during the offseason, he mostly does on ice training and still he is a tank and physical freak.

Another example is Hedman. There is a test for how much pressure you put on your feet as you move. Everyone favors one leg or the other using that one ever so slightly more. Having an exact 50/50 ratio is basically unheard of, but Hedman has that.

Yeah totally. Cool bit on Hedman.

I mean look at McDavid. He looks like a normal, slim dude. Hes an absolute freak of nature on the ice. Sure he works hard at his craft, no doubt. Not taking that away. But the speed he has getting up the ice is flat out insane. It's not something you can teach or set out to achieve.
 
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Cool good to hear. I know some people take issue with Kakko's speed- I never thought he was that slow. But increasing foot speed is going to help him get quicker and will be a real benefit along the walls, changing direction, which is already a strength of his.

Yep. Mikko Rantanen took a huge step forward with his skating last season, at the age 23/24. If he can add explosivity to his first few steps he will get that much better. Same with Kakko and Risto seems to think the same way.
 
Yep. Mikko Rantanen took a huge step forward with his skating last season, at the age 23/24. If he can add explosivity to his first few steps he will get that much better. Same with Kakko and Risto seems to think the same way.

I love that Kakko is working out with Mikko.

It means a lot to have a fellow countryman who is a successful "veteran" around him over the summers. Although he is still very young he has that big brother role going. Hopefully they will have similar career trajectories. Mikko is a really fine player.
 
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I love that Kakko is working out with Mikko.

It means a lot to have a fellow countryman who is a successful "veteran" around him over the summers. Although he is still very young he has that big brother role going. Hopefully they will have similar career trajectories. Mikko is a really fine player.

Kakko isn't the kind of ultra-aggressive forward like Rantanen, but their play style is still quite similar emphasizing strength and puck control. He should be a perfect training partner.
 
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I love that Kakko is working out with Mikko.

It means a lot to have a fellow countryman who is a successful "veteran" around him over the summers. Although he is still very young he has that big brother role going. Hopefully they will have similar career trajectories. Mikko is a really fine player.

In his first 84 NHL games (9 + 75 following year) he had 38 points. Since then he has 279 in 249. He’s an absolute stud. Kakko training with him is definitely a good sign. If he can be 70% of the offensive player Rantanen is, that’s still a win.
 
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In his first 84 NHL games (9 + 75 following year) he had 38 points. Since then he has 279 in 249. He’s an absolute stud. Kakko training with him is definitely a good sign. If he can be 70% of the offensive player Rantanen is, that’s still a win.

Can I get 100% of the offensive player Rantanen is?
 
bud, i get your take yet if he didn’t have endurance he wouldn’t have even been drafted in the top 10 or be in the NHL today imo. When you play hockey, how do you not get in shape by simply playing? He’s a young kid strengthening both his legs and back. He has a very long road before he’s packing on a ton of muscle.

I appreciate the positive outlook, thank you! No matter what you read on these boards and how finns may appear outwards (especially on these boards) we are internally very much pessimistic and have our share of slavic mentalism bred in to us. I’m a long time fan of the Rangers and it has been a very long time there has been an impact player from Finland on the team. I wish nothing more than to see Kakko succeed. I have my pessimistic coping mechanism built in to me.

e. It’s an interesting mix of pessimism (”we have lost this game” after 0-1) and at the same time an unduying hope that we might just win (in a 0-7 situation). That is to say it is also a very typical characteristic to never give up even if it looks hopeless.
 
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Photoshopped or not, it's damn funny.

Anyway, which picture is photoshopped, the old version? The middle pic looks like it's from some magazine, so it probably is cleaned up to some extent. I mean, someone could have definitely photoshopped parts of it, but that's pretty much what Dolph looked like at his peek. From Rocky and all those years. ROfl, but maybe they photoshopped below the belt a bit haha.

And the first picture, well, if that is photoshopped they did a good job. And I am not sure what they would have changed about that pic.

Anyway, it's more about the laughing than the accuracy.
Oh, I was referring to Old Dolph. It's hard to believe he'd be that out of shape because he's a known fitness fanatic and is a karate practitioner who also has kept doing films. So for him to look that bad, I have to believe that image has been exaggerated.
 
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Oh, I was referring to Old Dolph. It's hard to believe he'd be that out of shape because he's a known fitness fanatic and is a karate practitioner who also has kept doing films. So for him to look that bad, I have to believe that image has been exaggerated.

lol yea, you're probably right. There's some pics on line that look similar enough to be the original.
 
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