Value of: Jvr

[StevenB]

What is JVR worth in a vacuum? He seems to be overvalued by Leaf fans, and undervalued non-Leaf fans

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[Not My Tempo]

He's basically at 55-60 point winger. He won't give you a ton of defense and I wish he used his size more. He is on a sweet contract though. I think if he got traded the return would be similar to Ladd last year. A late-ish first round pick and a solid prospect.

 

[Mugzy97]

A first and a good prospect

 

[The Great Weal]

He's basically at 55-60 point winger. He won't give you a ton of defense and I wish he used his size more. He is on a sweet contract though. I think if he got traded the return would be similar to Ladd last year. A late-ish first round pick and a solid prospect.

1st+Hudon?

 

[CamelToews]

We need his skill and size in our top 6. Really don't see him moved. I'd be looking for a defenceman for him if we were to deal him though.

 

[TheTechNoir]

Luke Schenn ...

 

[Not My Tempo]

We need his skill and size in our top 6. Really don't see him moved. I'd be looking for a defenceman for him if we were to deal him though.

Yea I agree with this, him, Kadri and Bozak are all really going to be important this year. A top 6 of only rookies is destined to fail miserably.

 

[Brock Radunske]

1st+Hudon?

Hudon is a decent prospect but he doesn't add anything to the Leafs pool.
Id think the prospect would have to be a near-read RHD prospect with top-4 upside.

 

[Vatican Roulette]

Ok so...

Juulsen
2017 1st
De la Rose
DD

For

JVR

 

[Canada4Gold]

He's basically at 55-60 point winger. He won't give you a ton of defense and I wish he used his size more. He is on a sweet contract though. I think if he got traded the return would be similar to Ladd last year. A late-ish first round pick and a solid prospect.

Ladd was traded with less than 2 months left and playoffs. I think you could get more for 2 full years of a player. Otherwise might as well wait until the 2018 trade deadline to get the same return anyway.

 

[NCoRe]

Ok so...

Juulsen
2017 1st
De la Rose
DD

For

JVR

I would consider this long and hard. And yes imma leaf fan

 

[Brock Radunske]

Ok so...

Juulsen
2017 1st
De la Rose
DD

For

JVR

If you could swap DLR out for an equal-value pick and would take an ahl prospect back it would be worth considering. Currently, taking back 3 contracts won't work

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

What is JVR worth in a vacuum? He seems to be overvalued by Leaf fans, and undervalued non-Leaf fans

You nailed it. He is worth right in between what those 2 groups think.

His D isn't just a little weak. It is almost nonexistent. He is at his peak at 55-60 pts if he plays a full season.

He could raise his value quite a bit if he would make even a little effort to play defensively.

Late 1st + a decent B prospect sounds about right to me. Maybe a #4 D man if you get lucky.

 

[Xscout*]

I like how people think jvr is horrible defensively because of that purty hero chart says his shot suppression sucks.

Is he amazing? No.
Is he a liability? No.

Truth is the leafs would want a rhd back capable of 20 mins a night.

Other than that they keep him and say thanks for ~30 goals.

 

[Redline]

JVR would be worth a fair bit I would think. That's a sweet deal for what he brings.

 

[Sparksrus3]

Luke Schenn ...

Yepp.

 

[Gavy]

I'd like to keep him. I think he will have a career year this year

 

[bert]

I'd like to keep him. I think he will have a career year this year

I dont get why the leafs would want to trade him at all given his size, skill, age and contract.

 

[WTFMAN99]

I dont get why the leafs would want to trade him at all given his size, skill, age and contract.

The offers in here aren't much different then anything we'd get offered at the trade deadline when he is expiring.

 

[Pops]

I dont get why the leafs would want to trade him at all given his size, skill, age and contract.

If he plays with Matthews, he'll have a career year for sure.With Bozak, same as the last few seasons, 55-60 points. With Matthews maybe 70, hopefully

 

[Boud]

Clarke MacArthur (LTIR not insured), Logan Brown/Colin White, Curtis Lazar, pick

If Mac is not able to return...

 

[Dog]

A team values him enough to pay him 4.75 million USD

 

[Vachon23]

McCarron
1st pick ?

 

[Toby Flenderson]

Pouliot+Kunitz+2nd

 

[Hale The Villain]

Good value comparison: Bobby Ryan in 2013

Ryan was 27, JVR is 27 now
Ryan had 2 years to UFA when he was traded, JVR has 2 year to UFA right now
Ryan is a big-bodied RW, JVR is a big-bodied LW
Ryan had a very similar PPG and GPG in 2012/13 as JVR in 2015/16
Ryan had a history of scoring 30 goals, JVR has had a pace of around 30 goals on a worse team with worse linemates
Ryan was a rather one-dimensional guy, JVR is a rather one-dimensional guy

If JVR was to be traded, I think he'd probably return a good young forward (eg. Silfverberg), good prospect (eg. Noesen) and a 1st round pick, just like Ryan. Although maybe GMs around the league are aware what a bad trade that was for the Sens and are unwilling to follow in their footsteps.

I don't know why Leafs fans are so eager to throw him around in trade proposals. Their forward group and all their forward prospects are small, JVR looks like he fills a big niche as a big power winger. Probably will be a great complement to Matthews/Nylander as well. Unless he's not willing to re-sign in Toronto long-term, don't understand why the Leafs would trade him.