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Value of: JVR for Adam Henrique

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LondonKendrick said:
Don't realize? 50% of the content on this site is dissecting and putting lipstick on the pig that is Nazem, did you know he leads the league in penalties drawn too???? Did you know that he had a better point production while playing with Kessel than Bozak did while being coached by Carlyle??? Did you know that Kadri had great 5 on 5 production in 2015-2016, did you know if you correct for his career shooting percentage while he opened the season with a scoring slump he'd have all star production??? Did you know... in games he's good he's good and if you ignore the games he sucks in and pretend their games he's good in then he's good...

They should change is name to 'did you know', we know... you can cherry pick stats for any of the top 90 centers in the league.
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so you are gonna stick with your story that 51 pt max henrique is a 2C but 50pt Kadri is a 2/3? disregarding all the "did you know " facts, naz still has a higher ppg than adam.

our top LW doesnt get moved for a 2/3C on this team. end of story.
 
Halla said:
so you are gonna stick with your story that 51 pt max henrique is a 2C but 50pt Kadri is a 2/3? disregarding all the "did you know " facts, naz still has a higher ppg than adam.

our top LW doesnt get moved for a 2/3C on this team. end of story.
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Going to ignore that Kadri defenders always manipulate sample sizes to defend what Kadri might hypothetically do in a full season.

As for the post, classic moving the goal posts when defending Kadri, highlight 'max points' bfd and ignore goal scoring.

Henrique is a 30 goal scorer in an 82 game season, Kadri can't do that plain and simple.
 
LondonKendrick said:
Going to ignore that Kadri defenders always manipulate sample sizes to defend what Kadri might hypothetically do in a full season.

As for the post, classic moving the goal posts when defending Kadri, highlight 'max points' bfd and ignore goal scoring.

Henrique is a 30 goal scorer in an 82 game season, Kadri can't do that plain and simple.
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Um, Kadri hasn't done that...but can't? Care to share your crystal ball?
 
LondonKendrick said:
More unicorn make belief hype for Naz 'the dream' (what a perfect nick name) Kadri?

Bozak could put up 90 points, anything can happen in imagination land.
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Player A: NHL career .58PPG 349 games

Player B: NHL career .60PPG 325 games

Both are Centers....yet you think 1 has a ton more value? (by the way, the 1 with a higher PPG is the one you are bashing)
 
Rather have JVR given the rest of roster; Ie Matthews, Kadri, Bozak, Nylander. Dont have anyone to replicate JVRs skill set, his size speed combo in addition to his net presence is a much better fit imo.
 
FerrisRox said:
I don't see why the Devils would do this. They are much better off sticking with a skilled two way player than swapping him for a one-way player.
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The same could be said for why the Leafs would trade a player on their 1st line for a player that would be on their 3rd line as soon as next year.
 
Brock Radunske said:
The same could be said for why the Leafs would trade a player on their 1st line for a player that would be on their 3rd line as soon as next year.
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Teams that actually care about winning like to have players that can actually play well without the puck.

Luckily for you, as a Leaf fan, I'm pretty sure the management team in Toronto has more of a clue than you do.

A two-way forward that can play in all situations, kill penalties affectively and can be slotted in at centre or the wing has more value then a one dimensional winger.

This is just common sense.
 
Liferleafer said:
Player A: NHL career .58PPG 349 games

Player B: NHL career .60PPG 325 games

Both are Centers....yet you think 1 has a ton more value? (by the way, the 1 with a higher PPG is the one you are bashing)
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I've already pointed out PPG is moving the goal posts, Henrique is 30 goal scorer.... next excuse?
 
LondonKendrick said:
I've already pointed out PPG is moving the goal posts, Henrique is 30 goal scorer.... next excuse?
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JVR is also a 30 goal scorer....yet we as Leaf fans always hear "well he's only done it once...".
I remember another former Devils goal scorer that the Leafs threw money at.....rather not put a ton of stock in 1 good goal scoring season again.

P.S Thanks Columbus.
 
Liferleafer said:
JVR is also a 30 goal scorer....yet we as Leaf fans always hear "well he's only done it once...".
I remember another former Devils goal scorer that the Leafs threw money at.....rather not put a ton of stock in 1 good goal scoring season again.

P.S Thanks Columbus.
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Gross. Even the thought of comparing Henrique to Clarkson makes me want to throw up.
 
LondonKendrick said:
Going to ignore that Kadri defenders always manipulate sample sizes to defend what Kadri might hypothetically do in a full season.

As for the post, classic moving the goal posts when defending Kadri, highlight 'max points' bfd and ignore goal scoring.

Henrique is a 30 goal scorer in an 82 game season, Kadri can't do that plain and simple.
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Henrique did that once. the year before he had 16g in 75 games.
Kadri had a season of 44pts in 48 games, which is more than henrique got in 2014 in 77 games, and 2015 in 75 games.

this is ignoring the fact that JVR is easily >>> Henrique. one guy is playing in the world cup, the other guy isnt. guess who is who
 
Halla said:
so you are gonna stick with your story that 51 pt max henrique is a 2C but 50pt Kadri is a 2/3? disregarding all the "did you know " facts, naz still has a higher ppg than adam.

our top LW doesnt get moved for a 2/3C on this team. end of story.
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Kadri is better than Henrique.

Matthews is better than him too, and JVR will get more ppgvthan all 3 of them with.

The quality of this proposal is remarkable. There is a very distinct odor.
 
FerrisRox said:
I don't see why the Devils would do this. They are much better off sticking with a skilled two way player than swapping him for a one-way player.
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good for you. average #2C are a lot easier to come by than 6'3 wingers that can put up 30/30.

JVR has looked solid for USA so far, picked over some pretty big names too.
 
Halla said:
good for you. average #2C are a lot easier to come by than 6'3 wingers that can put up 30/30.

JVR has looked solid for USA so far, picked over some pretty big names too.
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Didn't realize the average 2C puts up 30 goals.

Apparently there's only 12 average 2Cs in the entire NHL.
 
Eric Sachs said:
Didn't realize the average 2C puts up 30 goals.

Apparently there's only 12 average 2Cs in the entire NHL.
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Gonna cherry pick 1 stat, that he has done once in his 5 year career?

16 pts in 42 games 2013
43 pts in 77 games 2014
43 pts in 75 games 2015

doesnt scream top tier #2C. just funny to see devils fans say henrique is a top 2C and kadri is a 3C
 
Halla said:
Henrique did that once. the year before he had 16g in 75 games.
Kadri had a season of 44pts in 48 games, which is more than henrique got in 2014 in 77 games, and 2015 in 75 games.

this is ignoring the fact that JVR is easily >>> Henrique. one guy is playing in the world cup, the other guy isnt. guess who is who
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Now we're cherry picking seasons now? Loooooove it, Nazzy excuses again. Henrique is coming off a 30 goal year. He broke out. Kadri, what was it's we have to 'correct for' (translation we need to pretend) his career shooting average to produce a decent season. Cool story.

Um, World Cup invite makes JVR >>>>>> than Henrique? Dah f... is he >>>> than Kessel too?

Dude if Henrique was a Leaf you be making the opposite argument, hard to take this comments seriously.
 
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Henrique may have broke out last season but a 103.5 PDO fueled by a ridiculous 20% shooting rate just screams unsustainable. So much like how you're accusing Halla of cherry picking seasons, maybe you should heed your own advice? Nothing to get emotional about--henrique is a hell of a player--but Toronto already has the 2C position covered by Matthews, Nylander, Kadri and possibly even Marner. There's no need to trade for a C when the biggest shortcomings are in defense and goaltending. On a rather offensively anemic Devils team, I see AH as a mid-40 pt defensively reliable C...playing with Hall...well other teams have to hope there's no chemistry.
 
Halla said:
Henrique did that once. the year before he had 16g in 75 games.
Kadri had a season of 44pts in 48 games, which is more than henrique got in 2014 in 77 games, and 2015 in 75 games.

this is ignoring the fact that JVR is easily >>> Henrique. one guy is playing in the world cup, the other guy isnt. guess who is who
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LOL

Shame on Henrique for being Canadian.
 
LondonKendrick said:
Now we're cherry picking seasons now? Loooooove it, Nazzy excuses again. Henrique is coming off a 30 goal year. He broke out. Kadri, what was it's we have to 'correct for' (translation we need to pretend) his career shooting average to produce a decent season. Cool story.

Um, World Cup invite makes JVR >>>>>> than Henrique? Dah f... is he >>>> than Kessel too?

Dude if Henrique was a Leaf you be making the opposite argument, hard to take this comments seriously.
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"broke out". he got 51 pts. 1 more than Kadris 50pt career high.
oh the good old 30 goals argument though.

kadri still has the career ppg edge though and 178 to 152 over the last 4 seasons. dont really need to make excuses when the guy just flat out puts up more right? you seem to be the only one making up excuses, im just showing the facts that kadri has been more productive in his career.
surely the 178 point guy would be the #2C and the other guy would be the #3C right? but nope 30 goals! LOL
 
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