Value of: JVR for Adam Henrique

[Halla]

Only stat that really matters for the production you are getting.

quite a reach. JVR has a 4.25 million cap hit which is a bargain

 

[Halla]

they basically have identical PPG average for their careers....

Henrique- 203 points in 349 regular season games (0.58 PPG), 13 points in 24 playoff games (0.54 PPG)
JVR- 277 points in 446 regular season games (0.62 PPG), 22 points in 46 playoff games (0.48 PPG)

Henrique plays the tougher position and is more of a 2-way player than JVR. He is also signed for 1 year longer and for less money AAV than JVR

now compare JVR's stats as a leaf over the last 4 years to henrique. you know, because he wasnt buried on the 3rd line with no pp time like he was in philly. Also JVR's value to us is reflected by how he has performed as a leaf, not as a 20 year old getting 10 mins a night on philly.

JVR with TO 178pts in 250 games = 0.71ppg

Henrique over the same timeframe. 152 pts in 274 games = 0.55ppg

so no, their stats arent the same. JVR has hit 56 and 61 pts. He projected for 59 in a full season last year. Henrique tops out at 51, and that was 5 years ago.

It would take a significant add for Toronto to be interested in this kind of deal.

 

[Canada4Gold]

4 mil salary vs 4.75 for starters.

It's great when you change the numbers to make things look different. JVR's AAV is 4.25.

If you want to talk actual salary then their average salary remaining on their deals is 5 million for both. JVR is 5 and 5, Henrique is 4.5, 5 and 5.5

And if Salary is the only thing that matters then I guess Greening is better as his salary is less than both , you might want to start with actual on ice production(which they're similar) and then use salary or AAV to compliment that.

 

[Cheddabombs]

now compare JVR's stats as a leaf over the last 4 years to henrique. you know, because he wasnt buried on the 3rd line with no pp time like he was in philly. Also JVR's value to us is reflected by how he has performed as a leaf, not as a 20 year old getting 10 mins a night on philly.

JVR with TO 178pts in 250 games = 0.71ppg

Henrique over the same timeframe. 152 pts in 274 games = 0.55ppg

so no, their stats arent the same. JVR has hit 56 and 61 pts. He projected for 59 in a full season last year. Henrique tops out at 51, and that was 5 years ago.

It would take a significant add for Toronto to be interested in this kind of deal.

A significant add is a stretch. It seemed like most people agreed the value was relatively even in a vacuum but clearly ignored both teams needs. But this is the kind of post that starts the pissing matches.

 

[Halla]

It's great when you change the numbers to make things look different. JVR's AAV is 4.25.

If you want to talk actual salary then their average salary remaining on their deals is 5 million for both. JVR is 5 and 5, Henrique is 4.5, 5 and 5.5

And if Salary is the only thing that matters then I guess Greening is better as his salary is less than both , you might want to start with actual on ice production(which they're similar) and then use salary or AAV to compliment that.

shhh he still hasnt shown any stats that prove henrique is better, probably because they don't exist.

salary is a stat now though? LOL

 

[VoidCreature]

This thread is a disaster. The trade doesn't make sense for either team, and now it seems to have devolved into a shoving match between the fan bases. Can we just say it's a wash and move on?

 

[MoonDragn]

now compare JVR's stats as a leaf over the last 4 years to henrique. you know, because he wasnt buried on the 3rd line with no pp time like he was in philly. Also JVR's value to us is reflected by how he has performed as a leaf, not as a 20 year old getting 10 mins a night on philly.

JVR with TO 178pts in 250 games = 0.71ppg

Henrique over the same timeframe. 152 pts in 274 games = 0.55ppg

so no, their stats arent the same. JVR has hit 56 and 61 pts. He projected for 59 in a full season last year. Henrique tops out at 51, and that was 5 years ago.

It would take a significant add for Toronto to be interested in this kind of deal.

Henrique was buried on the third line also in his 2nd year also and you know projecting stats is never accurate.

While JVR's point avg may be slightly higher, Henrique is better defensively and is a center, which has much higher value in the league. Again, he has always been clutch in games, even during his windsor days.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

now compare JVR's stats as a leaf over the last 4 years to henrique. you know, because he wasnt buried on the 3rd line with no pp time like he was in philly. Also JVR's value to us is reflected by how he has performed as a leaf, not as a 20 year old getting 10 mins a night on philly.

JVR with TO 178pts in 250 games = 0.71ppg

Henrique over the same timeframe. 152 pts in 274 games = 0.55ppg

so no, their stats arent the same. JVR has hit 56 and 61 pts. He projected for 59 in a full season last year. Henrique tops out at 51, and that was 5 years ago.

It would take a significant add for Toronto to be interested in this kind of deal.

I completely disagree but I'd love to hear what "significant add" you have in mind....

 

[JohnnyO]

What would be the point of this? Why would we trade one of our better wingers for a center when we finally have some talent at the C position. If it's under the assumption that Henrique would play LW why bother? NJ fans don't seem to like it either so it doesn't seem like it makes much sense for either team.

 

[Cleatus]

The Leafs already have a Henrique in Bozak, so it'd be a horrible trade for them.

Yeah Henrique scored 30 goals last year, but even Kulemin did that once. Pretty sure he won't be hitting that again.

 

[Cheddabombs]

The Leafs already have a Henrique in Bozak, so it'd be a horrible trade for them.

Yeah Henrique scored 30 goals last year, but even Kulemin did that once. Pretty sure he won't be hitting that again.

Yea he might not hit 30 again, but I'll wait and see if he can re-kindle his play with Hall from juniors first.

 

[TorontoTrades]

Don't think Devils target another LW after getting Hall. Leafs dont need another center. We need someone like JVR.

 

[Toronto makebeleifs]

Don't think Devils target another LW after getting Hall. Leafs dont need another center. We need someone like JVR.

Correct. In a vacuum I'd pull the trigger. It just doesn't fit either teams' needs currently.

 

[RSeen]

JVR is more valuable than Henrique, both in a vacuum and with the current Leaf positional needs.

We already have our own Henrique with Bozak.

Lol. Bozak is terrible. Henrique is a good top 6 center.

 

[LondonKendrick]

As a Leafs fan I'd do because of position and slight age difference favoring Henrique but it's meh, just as happy with JVR.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Lol. Bozak is terrible. Henrique is a good top 6 center.

Bozak, like Kadri is a quality 2/3, not great, not terrible. Henrique is a legit 2C.

 

[Halla]

Bozak, like Kadri is a quality 2/3, not great, not terrible. Henrique is a legit 2C.

Kadri with a 0.6ppg career isnt a 2C, but Henrique with a 0.58ppg is?

don't think many on here realize kadri had about 40pts in his last 50 games or so. amazing what adjusting to a new coach and getting some decent linemates that arent grabner and boyes can do.

 

[Halla]

Yea he might not hit 30 again, but I'll wait and see if he can re-kindle his play with Hall from juniors first.

safe to say neither teams does it.

leafs fans are more than happy to see what Kadri can do with a guy like Marner/Nylander on his line with a guy like Komarov creating space.

 

[Poignant Discussion*]

they basically have identical PPG average for their careers....

Henrique- 203 points in 349 regular season games (0.58 PPG), 13 points in 24 playoff games (0.54 PPG)
JVR- 277 points in 446 regular season games (0.62 PPG), 22 points in 46 playoff games (0.48 PPG)

Henrique plays the tougher position and is more of a 2-way player than JVR. He is also signed for 1 year longer and for less money AAV than JVR

Then keep him, he would end up being a third line center here and we have zero need for him.

 

[Brock Radunske]

What a crazy summer. I'm still in shock that Henrique switched positions to RHD.

Wait, what?
He DIDN'T switch to RHD?

Oh...
Nvm then. There is no trade here.

 

[Zajacs Bowl Cut]

Then keep him, he would end up being a third line center here and we have zero need for him.

I'm not the one that proposed the trade, so I will be happy to keep him

 

[The Podium]

For the Leafs, Henrique would be a slight downgrade as a LW, and they don't need any more centers.

LW is the Devils' strongest position (Hall, Cammalleri, Boucher...). They would be worse off trading someone capable of playing #1/2 C for a guy who is a pure left winger.

Value is close, but it makes both teams worse.

Pretty much all that needs to be said

 

[Brooklyndevil]

Shero would pass on this trade. Doesn't help the Devils.

 

[ghdi]

I'd be all for trying to acquire JVR, but not for Henrique, which is largely a minus move for the Devils since Henrique's center ability is needed more than another LW.

If another deal could be created not including obvious names (Hall, Schneider, Severson, Zacha, McLeod), then it'd be something to talk about, but thats likely not in the cards.

JVR is UFA in 2 seasons and will be getting more money then almost assuredly provided his production continues, so if we can chase him then or even at the trade deadline in 17-18 depending on our teams' standing, that may be the time. Now? Not so much. If we had not acquired Hall, then it'd be something to push for more immediately. If Cammalleri is taken by Vegas or we move on from him anytime soon, that would be another time to potentially chase JVR.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Kadri with a 0.6ppg career isnt a 2C, but Henrique with a 0.58ppg is?

don't think many on here realize kadri had about 40pts in his last 50 games or so. amazing what adjusting to a new coach and getting some decent linemates that arent grabner and boyes can do.

Don't realize? 50% of the content on this site is dissecting and putting lipstick on the pig that is Nazem, did you know he leads the league in penalties drawn too???? Did you know that he had a better point production while playing with Kessel than Bozak did while being coached by Carlyle??? Did you know that Kadri had great 5 on 5 production in 2015-2016, did you know if you correct for his career shooting percentage while he opened the season with a scoring slump he'd have all star production??? Did you know... in games he's good he's good and if you ignore the games he sucks in and pretend their games he's good in then he's good...

They should change is name to 'did you know', we know... you can cherry pick stats for any of the top 90 centers in the league.