Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

[Brookbank]

Makes no sense for Vancouver.

Marner is older and is going to be looking for his final retirement contract. Trading away Pettersson you need at minimum a #2 center back and not a winger.

I basically agree. But if management has decided that Petterson has to go , I'd take this trade. Because everything else would be worse. At least you're getting a player and not Necas and scraps.

 

[Legion34]

Makes no sense for Vancouver.

Marner is older and is going to be looking for his final retirement contract. Trading away Pettersson you need at minimum a #2 center back and not a winger.

Isn’t Marner like 18 months older?

 

[Dion TheFluff]

if the Leafs can sign Marner for 13 mil per or less, I would prefer to just keep him. No interest really in that Pettersson contract.

 

[Three On Zero]

I basically agree. But if management has decided that Petterson has to go , I'd take this trade. Because everything else would be worse. At least you're getting a player and not Necas and scraps.

If you’re doing this type of trade, just trade Pettersson off for pure futures. A couple “Maybe” alright seasons with Miller/Marner isn’t worth it

Isn’t Marner like 18 months older?

Would finish a 8 year contract when he’s 36, Pettersson is done at 33. That’s assuming he signs an 8 year contract

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

if the Leafs can sign Marner for 13 mil per or less, I would prefer to just keep him. No interest really in that Pettersson contract.

Problem for the Leafs (And anybody with a big name FA this year, really) is they probably don't wanna sign until they know what the cap is gonna be.

You've got the league claiming $92.5M but it could be negotiated higher, and an agent running around publicly saying it's gonna be $97M.

 

[AlbOilFAN]

There is no way leafs do that, Marner is a better player than Pettersson.

 

[Namikaze Minato]

Huberdeau for Pettersson is a closer deal, 1.1 Million dollars cheaper for Huberdeau, 1 extra year for EP40.

Score at similar paces.

 

[Brookbank]

i would be shocked if ep40 has sunk to marner levels in value and trading ep40 for marner would be about the stupidest move the canucks have ever made.

Wait till you see what the alternative would be. You'd beg to take Marner in return.

 

[Zman5778]

Not to entirely disagree with you, as I think it is an overpayment, but Cozens has 42 points and is a -19 in his last 82 games with 5 years left at 7.1M.

Cozens ceiling is pretty close to Pettersson's middle. Question is whether or not the change of scenery brings Petey back to his former self.

Always thought that a Pettersson + Hoglander for Cozens + Byram + one of the many younger C/W options BUF has would probably be enough for either side.

I think there's a legit argument that a change of scenery would bring Cozens closer to what he can become (I've long held that he could develop into Jeff Carter v2.0 without the occasional dirtbaggy-ness).

But EP40 and Hoglander for Cozens/Byram and then Quinn or Peterka or Rosen would make a TON of sense for each side, IMO.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Petey’s always had a high shooting percentage average in his career, I wouldn’t say that is particularly what is causing the scoring gap. His underlying numbers are still decent.

I am talking about his 5v5 on ice sh%. It was 12-13.5% in the prior 2 years, which is nowhere near sustainable.

Freidman and others have said what Carolina offered for Pettersson was actually more than Rantanen (not because of player but contract certainty + age) but they went with the better player with UFA risk.

When was this? Not this year, correct?

Necas is having a good year but riding a higher shooting percentage

He's shooting at 13.8% and his 5v5 on ice sh% is below 10%. Pretty sustainable.

Carolina would’ve definitely added.

Not this year, no. Necas led the Canes in scoring in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Coincidentally, those were both years where he was deployed on PP1.

Pettersson’s struggles over the last 11 months are a combination of usage, systems, mentality, and the main thing, Pettersson’s staggering regression in his skating ability, imo the biggest factor in his decrease in performance.

All the more reason GMs would want to avoid bringing him and his massive contract on board.

Delusional comes to mind

Career PPG centre , rookie of the year ' annual allstar fot Necas. A mid winger having a good year.

Pettersson was great in the past, not sure how that's relevant to the player he is right now.

i mean, that's certainly an opinion, but you started off in the original post pretending to talk about pettersson's actual market value. if i had known you were just giving a ridiculous personal hot take i would not have bothered engaging with you. i was talking about actual market values, not your feels.

if you want to try and argue the actual market value of pettersson is as a cap dump, go for it. i'll wait. if you want to live in a fantasy world where you set his market value that's also cool, but stop posting like you are actually analyzing the market and thereby wasting people's time.

At 8x11.6M, I don't think there would be very many teams that would take that on with his current play and all the concerns around his attitude and injury history.

In a trade with 3M+ retention, I think he would potentially have a fair amount of value.

I basically agree. But if management has decided that Petterson has to go , I'd take this trade. Because everything else would be worse. At least you're getting a player and not Necas and scraps.

Imagine thinking Necas isn't a player lol.

 

[mclaren55]

Yea no thanks. Petterson aint worth 11.6 right now. Rather the all situations winger in Marner even if he costs 12.5-13.

 

[koyvoo]

I'd have a hard time finding two better comparables.

Both grossly overpaid, both softer than baby shit, both fail to live up to the hype come playoff time, and both have delusional fanbases thinking they're Selke caliber.

Vancouver probably says no since EP is a centre and signed for less AAV than what Marner will likely get this summer

Pettersson at least has had one really good playoff out of the two he’s participated in. Marner’s effectiveness dropping in the post season has a much larger sample size.

Not that I’d base a potential deal off of that, but Petey has at least shown something once when the games matter.

 

[HockeyVirus]

This is kinda laughable because Pettersson is even more of a Marner sterotype than Marner. Marner is by far the better player and somehow mentally tougher too

 

[NVious]

I don't see the point of doing this from the Leafs perspective, seems like a lateral move at best and especially when Marner is in his contract year makes no sense and considering that Petey has been really bad since getting his contract.

 

[Brookbank]

Imagine thinking Necas isn't a player lol.

Necas isn't even close to Marner or Petterson.

I haven't looked at his usage but he's probably being pump and dumped with favourable starts.

Necas has all the hallmarks of a player that would be the centrepiece of a famously bad trade for an elite player. Someone you'll never remember existed in the league after he retires. Even if he has a couple good years somewhere.

 

[Raging Bull]

marner is an expiring ufa who vanishes in the playoffs. he clashes with management and is disliked by teammates. he's not a tdl rental and he'd be the opposite of a player you'd trade for hoping to re-sign by bringing him into your room so he would bond.

Disliked by his teammates? Who? He's one of the most popular guys in the locker room every year.

 

[toddkaz]

Man, EP40 could be a 120 point scorer in this league...
That's the reason our fanbase is refreshing these threads 100x a day.

We're willing to move off of him simply due to fit. He's not fitting in the locker room, on the PP, with a Quinn Hughes-led offense, etc.
It's like having a Ferrari in the garage, but you already have a Lambo that you drive daily... and now your kids have grown and they all need vehicles too.
We just want to spread the wealth around and give Hughes the surrounding pieces he needs to thrive.

Nobody is going to steal EP40 away. It will be a hockey deal, or no deal.
I can handle a bit of JT Miller slander, even though I believe he deserves a lot more respect than he's been getting from fans on this board. But you all know how good Pettersson is when he's on his game, so just cool it.

And Cozens could be a 40 goal scorer

Its going to take " a little rich" type of trade to move Pettersson.


He is more valuable and had way better numbers than Eichel at the time Eichel was traded. Not to mention the risk of trading for Eichel at that point due to his neck. So what did Eichel get you guys..


Alex Tuch
Krebs
1st
2nd

Bufallo lost that deal imo as is the case during a trade when an elite player going into his prime is traded.

Pettersson >> Eichel

Its going to take 4 good pieces imo. or close to it. It might not be these players specifically but value wise i think it will be:

1st
Cozens
Byram
Peterka

Byram and Cozens for EP.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Necas isn't even close to Marner or Petterson.

Necas has been waaay better than Pettersson this year.

I haven't looked at his usage but he's probably being pump and dumped with favourable starts.

His most common linemates were Kotkaniemi and Eric Robinson lol

Necas has all the hallmarks of a player that would be the centrepiece of a famously bad trade for an elite player. Someone you'll never remember existed in the league after he retires. Even if he has a couple good years somewhere.

In the two seasons where he was given PP1 deployments, he scored 124 points in 129gp with Kotkaniemi as his primary center at 5v5.

Your ignorance is impressive.

 

[LemonSauceD]

I am talking about his 5v5 on ice sh%. It was 12-13.5% in the prior 2 years, which is nowhere near sustainable.

When was this? Not this year, correct?

He's shooting at 13.8% and his 5v5 on ice sh% is below 10%. Pretty sustainable.


Not this year, no. Necas led the Canes in scoring in 2 of the last 3 seasons. Coincidentally, those were both years where he was deployed on PP1.

All the more reason GMs would want to avoid bringing him and his massive contract on board.


Pettersson was great in the past, not sure how that's relevant to the player he is right now.



At 8x11.6M, I don't think there would be very many teams that would take that on with his current play and all the concerns around his attitude and injury history.

In a trade with 3M+ retention, I think he would potentially have a fair amount of value.


Imagine thinking Necas isn't a player lol.

No it was this year. Carolina was about to acquire Pettersson or Rantanen and they went with Rantanen and gave up less, according to Friedman and others.

 

[Brookbank]

Yea no thanks. Petterson aint worth 11.6 right now. Rather the all situations winger in Marner even if he costs 12.5-13.

Thats not really the point of the thread but it's an opinion.

If you were forced to trade Marner , you'd probably not get a better return than petterson

I mean , you almost are being forced to change the core so it's not as theoretical as it seems

 

[mclaren55]

Thats not really the point of the thread but it's an opinion.

If you were forced to trade Marner , you'd probably not get a better return than petterson

I mean , you almost are being forced to change the core so it's not as theoretical as it seems

I rather have cap space than the current Petterson iteration.

 

[Connor McConnor]

Pettersson at least has had one really good playoff out of the two he’s participated in. Marner’s effectiveness dropping in the post season has a much larger sample size.

Not that I’d base a potential deal off of that, but Petey has at least shown something once when the games matter.

that was 6 years ago and he had 10/18 PP points. EP was one of the worst Canucks on the ice last postseason. He was Marner level bad. I don't think "playoffs" should be used in any justification for EP here.

 

[Brookbank]

I'd have a hard time finding two better comparables.

Both grossly overpaid, both softer than baby shit, both fail to live up to the hype come playoff time, and both have delusional fanbases thinking they're Selke caliber.

Vancouver probably says no since EP is a centre and signed for less AAV than what Marner will likely get this summer

Petterson at least hits and blocks shots. Has Marner done this ever ? Petey sometimes goes on hitting binges

 

[crowi]

Pettersson at least has had one really good playoff out of the two he’s participated in. Marner’s effectiveness dropping in the post season has a much larger sample size.

Not that I’d base a potential deal off of that, but Petey has at least shown something once when the games matter.

This is complete dogshit hopium. EP actually has worse PPG in playoffs than Marner while playing a more important position. In fact, you could argue he has let his team down more than Marner has.

 

[Leaf Fans]

I can't see Nucks being interested in a winger, ignoring the off ice issues of both players. Plus Marner has no contract and history of being a major problem at contract time. Not a fan of either team, just doesn't make sense from a Nucks POV IMO

What major problem has Marner been?Has he ever missed a day of training camp due to contract issues?