Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

[Fjordy]

Its 4 assets to me, i mentioned tho, the players might not be to those specifics. Peterka would not make or break the deal for me but the value has to be close to :

1st
Byram
Cozens
Peterka


EP40 has for sure struggled over the last calendary year but the listed assets have concerns as well from Canucks POV.

-Byram's concussion history
- Cozens inability to be a 2c. He looks better at times as a winger. Defensive metrics are not good at all.
- 1st is a gamble with Sabres likely a playoff team with Pettersson.


The other contention is this. Do we want the return to be an offensive LHD like Byram. Dont get me wrong he has value however The Canucks will never fully utilize that value as Byram would be behind Q Hughes in all offensive situations with the team.

If were moving Pettersson, id much rather the main return be a 1C young or a legit 2way all situation young Dman

Too much.

Byram has a history of concussions, as do some other players, but we haven't had any injuries, played well, mostly in the first pair and a lot of games on RD. He has experience and ability and is still young. I think he's a pretty valuable piece. But you could have Power instead of Byram, but then the deal would look different.

Cozens has struggled, and EP's production has also dropped. This is not a trade for a guy who has no problems and scores 100 points.

Peterka may still be undervalued given his age, points and performance improvement with each subsequent season. The first one is also very valuable, especially in the 2026 draft and unprotected.

 

[UrbanImpact]

There's definitely a scenario that if EP is traded Miller stays. I do agree that a guy like Cozens isn't the best fit as part of any potential deal, but if you add in another good forward and a top for d-man like Byram it may be a little more palatable.

I trully believe there is 0% chance that Miller stays in Van. He might not get traded now if the offers arent great but almost certainly in the off-season.

I think the " Personal Leave of Absence" had something to do with a locker room incident where he crossed the line.

Miller has been checking in and out games. He will float, then he will dominate the Oilers and Mc/Drai, then he will float again.

I think both him and management have agreed its time for a change.

 

[Visnovsky]

If this is the only way that the Matthews-Marner duo gets separated, sure thing boss.

 

[sd1976]

I'd have a hard time finding two better comparables.

Both grossly overpaid, both softer than baby shit, both fail to live up to the hype come playoff time, and both have delusional fanbases thinking they're Selke caliber.

Vancouver probably says no since EP is a centre and signed for less AAV than what Marner will likely get this summer

Except Marner is a Selke caliber player as proven by the fact that he gets votes every single year. Also he is not overpaid in even the slightest. Could he be in the future, sure, but he is literally a top 5 winger in the NHL and I don’t think that can even be disputed.

 

[God]

I think the Rantenen deal is a real good reminder to these posters who take the so called "insiders" word as gospel. At the end of the day they really don't know shit, and throw things at the wall to get clicks. 50 goal/100point superstar gets traded from a contender and yet not even a whisper in advance from them. If they were as connected as they make it out to be, this would not have been the case. Much like the Horvat deal, much like the Hronek deal.

I don't doubt that the Canucks are exploring options on EP and JTM, but I highly doubt that have much more knowledge about the situation than that.

I don't think many of them are throwing things at the wall to get clicks; rather, some teams like to use "insiders" as a negotiating tactic to put pressure on (in this case) Vancouver to make a deal.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

i would be shocked if ep40 has sunk to marner levels in value and trading ep40 for marner would be about the stupidest move the canucks have ever made. they already have dressing room issues forcing them to trade star players so bringing an abrasive prima donna like marner into that mix would be astonishingly dumb.

marner is an expiring ufa who vanishes in the playoffs. he clashes with management and is disliked by teammates. he's not a tdl rental and he'd be the opposite of a player you'd trade for hoping to re-sign by bringing him into your room so he would bond.

as such, he's got an embarrassingly low value as a tdl rental relative to his skillset and regular season production and he has nearly zero value longterm unless he is extended at the time of trade which would require a team ready to pay whatever insane ask marner is going to have in that situation. you might fob him off on a team like utah anxious for a marquee talent to sell regular season tickets, but i'd be livid if the canucks traded pettersson for him.

A near zero value asset is still higher than a negative value asset, which EP may be with his current contract. That's a major risk for any GM.

EP at 8M is probably closer to his market value based on his play this year. And even then, his term would make a lot of folks nervous based on reported attitude issues and how inconsistent he's been.

It's unfortunate for Canucks fans that his production was boosted so much by unsustainably high on ice shooting percentages in the 2 years leading up to his contract extension. Now those numbers have regressed, and he's playing much worse on the whole.

As a Devils fan, I wouldn't take EPs contract even if the Canucks added a first to dump it.

 

[ChaoticOrange]

I'll be real honest - I recognize that Pettersson is a very good player, but I have never 'gotten it' with him. He was so quiet in the playoffs last year and he's been a shadow this year. He's got 58 points in the last calendar year, a span of 76 games. That's good, but not great by any stretch. He hasn't been a top flight player in awhile now, but maybe that's just the current environment in Van.

I don't see much of a reason for Toronto to do this, despite the heightened positional value of Pettersson being a C.

 

[JKG33]

Except Marner is a Selke caliber player as proven by the fact that he gets votes every single year. Also he is not overpaid in even the slightest. Could he be in the future, sure, but he is literally a top 5 winger in the NHL and I don’t think that can even be disputed.

Marner plays in the biggest media market around, of course he's going to get undeserved votes.

He's incredibly overpaid when he regresses in the playoffs every year. His 90 point regular season are meaningless when he turns into a $6m player in the playoffs.

A top 5 winger in the league that wouldn't get picked top 20 in the playoffs, and that's before cap hits are accounted for

 

[Irie]

Pettersson's contract is not an asset... 11.6M for 5 more years for a guy whose on a terrible trajectory with an injury history and reported attitude issues is a boat anchor contract as it stands.

Dude is on pace for 58 points, and his underlying numbers don't really suggest he's been unlucky.

Pretty sure Pettersson has 7 more years on his contract and not 5. I think Miller is the one who has the 5 year contract remaining.

Just for reference.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Except Marner is a Selke caliber player as proven by the fact that he gets votes every single year. Also he is not overpaid in even the slightest. Could he be in the future, sure, but he is literally a top 5 winger in the NHL and I don’t think that can even be disputed.

Matthews and Marner being back to back Selke Finalists says more about the voting body than their ability...

 

[krutovsdonut]

compared to a guy who is constantly begged by management, his coaches and teammates to stop being a baby and is signed to what is looked at around the league as an anchor contract? Which GM wouldn't rather have Marner at 13 compared to EP at 10.6? EP being a complete no show last season was one of many reasons why the Canucks lost in the playoffs. He's been there twice his entire career. Not exactly a guy who is a proven playoff performer himself so not really fair to use that against MM.

i don't dispute pettersson's value has dropped which i mentioned in the first line of my post, but he's signed longterm and a talented selfless player who works hard on and off the ice so a pretty good candidate to rebound. he has a significant substantive value to a team willing to take a chance on that. but we both know that.

marner is otoh not signed longterm and there is nothing short term to gain in trading for him worth spending much treasure over. he is a rental with an established reputation for vanishing in the playoffs and for being ruthless in contract negotiations. for all the reasons i mentioned, it would be hard to trade him for big value right now unless you extended him and he would bend you over if you tried. if you want a marner, much better to try and sign him in the summer and overpay then without having to fork over any treasure.

also, while i understand you just see an opportunity to shit on pettersson here as an oiler fan, calling him a "complete no show last season" is a little rich even for you. he suddenly fell off a cliff 2/3 through the season prior to which he was pacing well over 100 points. he subsequently competed hard but failed to score or even shoot and one can speculate as to why. you may also recall a certain reverse hit he got a charging penalty over against the oilers. that's not a guy no showing. it's a guy trying to contribute other ways while he can't score.

 

[JKG33]

Matthews and Marner being back to back Selke Finalists says more about the voting body than their ability...

You'd think a team with 2 Selke caliber forwards in their prime would be able to manage more than a single round win in 8 years. Almost like the voters are full of shit and the players aren't that good, but wouldn't want to ruin a good narrative

 

[LemonSauceD]

A near zero value asset is still higher than a negative value asset, which EP may be with his current contract. That's a major risk for any GM.

EP at 8M is probably closer to his market value based on his play this year. And even then, his term would make a lot of folks nervous based on reported attitude issues and how inconsistent he's been.

It's unfortunate for Canucks fans that his production was boosted so much by unsustainably high on ice shooting percentages in the 2 years leading up to his contract extension. Now those numbers have regressed, and he's playing much worse on the whole.

As a Devils fan, I wouldn't take EPs contract even if the Canucks added a first to dump it.

Petey’s always had a high shooting percentage average in his career, I wouldn’t say that is particularly what is causing the scoring gap. His underlying numbers are still decent.

Why would Toronto do this? Makes 0 sense for them, and Marner's value is rightfully much higher than Pettersson's at the moment.


No way would Carolina have added to Necas to get Pettersson this year

Freidman and others have said what Carolina offered for Pettersson was actually more than Rantanen (not because of player but contract certainty + age) but they went with the better player with UFA risk.

Necas is having a good year but riding a higher shooting percentage, a very hot PP during the beginning of the season, and very favourable OZ matchups. He’s unreliable at center, his two way game, and has had questions about consistency much like Petey throughout his career. And career wise he’s averaged about 58 points per season. Carolina would’ve definitely added.

Pettersson’s struggles over the last 11 months are a combination of usage, systems, mentality, and the main thing, Pettersson’s staggering regression in his skating ability, imo the biggest factor in his decrease in performance.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You'd think a team with 2 Selke caliber forwards in their prime would be able to manage more than a single round win in 8 years. Almost like the voters are full of shit and the players aren't that good, but wouldn't want to ruin a good narrative

Two 100 point, Top 3 defensive forwards, but consistently choke in the playoffs. Make it make sense.

Probably has nothing to do with the award being voted on by the media and both players being in the hockey capital of the world.

 

[JKG33]

compared to a guy who is constantly begged by management, his coaches and teammates to stop being a baby and is signed to what is looked at around the league as an anchor contract? Which GM wouldn't rather have Marner at 13 compared to EP at 10.6? EP being a complete no show last season was one of many reasons why the Canucks lost in the playoffs. He's been there twice his entire career. Not exactly a guy who is a proven playoff performer himself so not really fair to use that against MM.

Tbh I'd rather have EP at $11.6 over Marner at $13+ since they're basically the same player and one will be paid less.

That said, I'd rather have Marner with 6 months remaining on his contract, to then trade him away as a rental and not have to waste cap space on either player

 

[krutovsdonut]

As a Devils fan, I wouldn't take EPs contract even if the Canucks added a first to dump it.

i mean, that's certainly an opinion, but you started off in the original post pretending to talk about pettersson's actual market value. if i had known you were just giving a ridiculous personal hot take i would not have bothered engaging with you. i was talking about actual market values, not your feels.

if you want to try and argue the actual market value of pettersson is as a cap dump, go for it. i'll wait. if you want to live in a fantasy world where you set his market value that's also cool, but stop posting like you are actually analyzing the market and thereby wasting people's time.

 

[Lenny Levino]

Petterson is a top paid player in the league and is roughly 140th in points. Feels like there is something going on with him personally and disappears way too often. There is something off with this guy. What's not to love. Zero chance I take on that contract given all the red flags.

He's injured (with tendinitis). He needs to take 6-12 months off from hockey to let it heal. I doubt management is going to let him do that though.

 

[Aashir]

I wouldn’t swap nylander for Pettersson

Let alone Marner

 

[BLNY]

Forget about value, why would Marner waive his NMC?

 

[Brookbank]

Why would Toronto do this? Makes 0 sense for them, and Marner's value is rightfully much higher than Pettersson's at the moment.


No way would Carolina have added to Necas to get Pettersson this year

Delusional comes to mind

Career PPG centre , rookie of the year ' annual allstar fot Necas. A mid winger having a good year.

I wouldn’t swap nylander for Pettersson

Let alone Marner

If you were forced to trade Marner , would you reject this offer and think you could do better ?

The next offer would be worse

 

[bigdog16]

EP can barely handle the heat in Vancouver. He would get eaten alive in Toronto

 

[Aashir]

If you were forced to trade Marner , would you reject this offer and think you could do better ?

The next offer would be worse

If I was forced to trade Marner, I’d be wanting to break up this “core 4” group. This would just swap it. I’d rather bring in a defencemen + forward vs Pettersson. One would probably be through FA next season but I’d rather utilize the cap space like that

There’s no guarantee that the next offer js worse either. If it’s EP40 vs a good top 6 player + picks and/or prospects I’d probably rather do the latter.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

EP can barely handle the heat in Vancouver. He would get eaten alive in Toronto

Imagine how bad he'd be in Florida.

 

[thedjpd]

Not a Flyers fan, but am a fan of Foerster. I read an article where they stated, he’s untouchable. I get it, but like you said…they have a bunch of other RW who could fill in. If Flyers are looking for that top C, I’d imagine Foerster has to be a part of the deal. Curious, any players you’d have in mind?

In a deal for Pettersson?

If so, I’d offer up a package of Frost, York and Tippett.

If Foerster is insisted on for either York or Tippett, I’d tweak the deal but it’s not a hard no.

 

[Three On Zero]

Nonsense. If Pettersson isn’t going to at least be a play driving, 80 point #1 C at 11.6 then who cares if Marner is a winger. He’s A) one of the few wingers who is ostensibly the “center” offensively in that he drives the play and is the primary puck carrier and makes those around him better. And B) better value at his price. It’d be like saying Winnipeg wouldn’t move Scheifele for Kucherov

And still makes no sense if you’re acquiring Marner and have nothing for center depth to play him with. Why would Vancouver acquire Marner when they have no #2C and an aging 1C. It’s a terrible fit, has nothing to do with how good or bad the players are.