Rumor: Just Kidding! Pettersson and JT Miller Trade Reunion!

[FriendlyGhost92]

Petterson isn’t a reliable commodity at this point. Hes also on an expensive contract.

Neither is Marner lol.

 

[um]

Maybe in Playstation 5 but not with real GMs who have to win to keep their jobs.

And for Sabres sake, you gotta think if they do get Pettersson then 1.5 yrs from now they arent a lottery team and that first round pick is somewhere between 17-25 th overall.

You sure are desperate for McKenna… although you did misspell his name.

 

[Regal]

Trading a center for a winger puts them in a worse position than they are now.

Only if Pettersson gets back in form. As it stands, position doesn’t matter if you’re getting twice the player.

 

[FlameChampion]

Neither is Marner lol.

Not really. Hes a very reliable regular season player who is a question mark in the playoffs. Hes also not on a long term contract.

Who knows what Petterson is at this point.

 

[Rude Dog]

Petterson is a top paid player in the league and is roughly 140th in points. Feels like there is something going on with him personally and disappears way too often. There is something off with this guy. What's not to love. Zero chance I take on that contract given all the red flags.

 

[Zman5778]

Are Sabres higher on Peterka or Kulich?

That would require insight into Adams' mind....and Adams seems to hoard his own prospects like nothing we've ever seen.

Sabres FANS would probably value Kulich a touch more given his recent play and possibility that he's a legit NHL center. But it'd be close-ish.

 

[Regal]

A huge fall off? Dude has had 3 consecutive 100+ pace point seasons coming into this year...

His overall numbers go even further than that too. 101 point pace over the last 7 seasons combined (467 games).

There’s really no question marks about Marner’s regular season performance

 

[Three On Zero]

Only if Pettersson gets back in form. As it stands, position doesn’t matter if you’re getting twice the player.

Yes it does. Miller as an aging #1C, no #2C and a winger who will likely want 13-14 million heading into his downward trending years?

Vancouver is better off keeping the center in Pettersson

 

[Hale The Villain]

Very little chance the Canucks win any Pettersson trade. World class talent entering his prime.

If Buffalo the trade partner then I want a lottery ball in the Mackenna sweepstakes.


2026 1st - unprotected
Byram
Cozens
Peterka


For

Pettersson


Core of: Thompson ,Pettersson, Dahlin, Powers, Tuch, Kulich, Benson is surely a playoff team. With young studs like Helenuis, Ostlund and Rosen coming in or used as ammo to surround the core.

That's an insane overpayment.

Take out the 1st and Peterka and it's a lot closer to fair value

Pettersson has 44 points in 62 games since securing his 11.6M x 8YR contract

What on earth makes you think he's worth that much?

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

Not really. Hes a very reliable regular season player who is a question mark in the playoffs. Hes also not on a long term contract.

Who knows what Petterson is at this point.

Marner's not really a question mark in the playoffs.

His play consistently trends downward in the Spring.

 

[Connor McConnor]

EP has been way too inconsistent to have similar value to Marner.

First of all it's a non-starter because Marner wouldn't waive to go to a team that might not even make a WC spot compared to leading his division.

I understand the idea of contract certainty and if a GM thought they could get 100 pt EP then his contract might actually look like a "steal" with the rising cap compared to Marner likely getting 13+. But the way EP has played this year and his overall up and down career, I think most GMs would still rather have Marner at 13+ than EP at 10.5. The gap is probably even wider than that right now.

Marner's not really a question mark in the playoffs.

His play consistently trends downward in the Spring.

You are acting like EP is some sort of playoff performer himself. He had 1 good year 6 years ago (10 of his 18 points came on the PP) and was a complete no-show his other appearance.

 

[HighLifeMan]

Eh. The shine has kind of come off of Cozens and Peterka a bit though. Cozens is driving the struggle bus HARD so his value isn't quite what it was last season or the season before. While JJP's production is just fine.....he seems to be sliding into a Skinner-esque thing where he's either scoring or completely invisible....which again depresses his value some.

I get Sabres fan's are frustrated but the same concerns you have for your own guys can be applied to EP too. In fact, you'd be hard pressed to find another player in the league underperforming their contract more than him at the moment.

 

[krutovsdonut]

Why would Toronto do this? Makes 0 sense for them, and Marner's value is rightfully much higher than Pettersson's at the moment.

i would be shocked if ep40 has sunk to marner levels in value and trading ep40 for marner would be about the stupidest move the canucks have ever made. they already have dressing room issues forcing them to trade star players so bringing an abrasive prima donna like marner into that mix would be astonishingly dumb.

marner is an expiring ufa who vanishes in the playoffs. he clashes with management and is disliked by teammates. he's not a tdl rental and he'd be the opposite of a player you'd trade for hoping to re-sign by bringing him into your room so he would bond.

as such, he's got an embarrassingly low value as a tdl rental relative to his skillset and regular season production and he has nearly zero value longterm unless he is extended at the time of trade which would require a team ready to pay whatever insane ask marner is going to have in that situation. you might fob him off on a team like utah anxious for a marquee talent to sell regular season tickets, but i'd be livid if the canucks traded pettersson for him.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

btw if Pettersson is traded, it doesnt mean Miller stays. IMO its either:

1. Miller is traded and EP40 stays
2. They are both traded

I dont see a scenario that Miller stays.

So moving Pettersson to me means the Canucks will have no Number 1 C nor do they have any in the pipleline with that potential.

Thats why i really dont think Bufallo is the front runners to get EP40 specifically because i dont think Cozens has the potential to be a 1c. I think Cozens is a 2C-winger hybrid as a ceiling but likely falls in the tweener realm of 2c-3c


If EP40 is moved, I think it will be for a bonified young C or a highly coveted Centre prospect.

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There's definitely a scenario that if EP is traded Miller stays. I do agree that a guy like Cozens isn't the best fit as part of any potential deal, but if you add in another good forward and a top for d-man like Byram it may be a little more palatable.

 

[FriendlyGhost92]

You are acting like EP is some sort of playoff performer himself. He had 1 good year 6 years ago (10 of his 18 points came on the PP) and was a complete no-show his other appearance.

Uhh, actually I'm not. I've very clearly said the difference between the two is that one is signed and one isn't.

 

[Regal]

Yes it does. Miller as an aging #1C, no #2C and a winger who will likely want 13-14 million heading into his downward trending years?

Vancouver is better off keeping the center in Pettersson

Nonsense. If Pettersson isn’t going to at least be a play driving, 80 point #1 C at 11.6 then who cares if Marner is a winger. He’s A) one of the few wingers who is ostensibly the “center” offensively in that he drives the play and is the primary puck carrier and makes those around him better. And B) better value at his price. It’d be like saying Winnipeg wouldn’t move Scheifele for Kucherov

 

[UrbanImpact]

Byram is more valuable than either Morrow or Drury, Peterka is only 23 and his points is improving every season, he could very well score 60+ points this season, although he hasn't been in ideal conditions this season either. Cozens is probably less valuable than them, but he has upside and is still young. So it looks rich.

Its 4 assets to me, i mentioned tho, the players might not be to those specifics. Peterka would not make or break the deal for me but the value has to be close to :

1st
Byram
Cozens
Peterka


EP40 has for sure struggled over the last calendary year but the listed assets have concerns as well from Canucks POV.

-Byram's concussion history
- Cozens inability to be a 2c. He looks better at times as a winger. Defensive metrics are not good at all.
- 1st is a gamble with Sabres likely a playoff team with Pettersson.


The other contention is this. Do we want the return to be an offensive LHD like Byram. Dont get me wrong he has value however The Canucks will never fully utilize that value as Byram would be behind Q Hughes in all offensive situations with the team.

If were moving Pettersson, id much rather the main return be a 1C young or a legit 2way all situation young Dman

 

[Rabid Ranger]

That's an insane overpayment.

Take out the 1st and Peterka and it's a lot closer to fair value

Pettersson has 44 points in 62 games since securing his 11.6M x 8YR contract

What on earth makes you think he's worth that much?

Teams could be banking on the notion that EP is in his prime, has scored 100 points before, some of his issues appear to be directly linked to Miller, and that a change of scenery would do him good.

 

[BCNate]

I think the Rantenen deal is a real good reminder to these posters who take the so called "insiders" word as gospel. At the end of the day they really don't know shit, and throw things at the wall to get clicks. 50 goal/100point superstar gets traded from a contender and yet not even a whisper in advance from them. If they were as connected as they make it out to be, this would not have been the case. Much like the Horvat deal, much like the Hronek deal.

I don't doubt that the Canucks are exploring options on EP and JTM, but I highly doubt that have much more knowledge about the situation than that.

 

[NeoCanuck]

That's an insane overpayment.

Take out the 1st and Peterka and it's a lot closer to fair value

Pettersson has 44 points in 62 games since securing his 11.6M x 8YR contract

What on earth makes you think he's worth that much?

Not to entirely disagree with you, as I think it is an overpayment, but Cozens has 42 points and is a -19 in his last 82 games with 5 years left at 7.1M.

Cozens ceiling is pretty close to Pettersson's middle. Question is whether or not the change of scenery brings Petey back to his former self.

Always thought that a Pettersson + Hoglander for Cozens + Byram + one of the many younger C/W options BUF has would probably be enough for either side.

 

[JKG33]

I'd have a hard time finding two better comparables.

Both grossly overpaid, both softer than baby shit, both fail to live up to the hype come playoff time, and both have delusional fanbases thinking they're Selke caliber.

Vancouver probably says no since EP is a centre and signed for less AAV than what Marner will likely get this summer

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Would be terrible for Toronto

 

[PuckG]

Why would Toronto ever do this?

Marner at least shows up for the regular season. EP shows up nowhere and apparently doesn’t have the wherewithal as a grown ass man to figure out his issues with another grown ass man.

 

[Connor McConnor]

i would be shocked if ep40 has sunk to marner levels in value and trading ep40 for marner would be about the stupidest move the canucks have ever made. they already have dressing room issues forcing them to trade star players so bringing an abrasive prima donna like marner into that mix would be astonishingly dumb.

marner is an expiring ufa who vanishes in the playoffs. he clashes with management and is disliked by teammates. he's not a tdl rental and he'd be the opposite of a player you'd trade for hoping to re-sign by bringing him into your room so he would bond.

as such, he's got an embarrassingly low value as a tdl rental relative to his skillset and regular season production and he has nearly zero value longterm unless he is extended at the time of trade which would require a team ready to pay whatever insane ask marner is going to have in that situation. you might fob him off on a team like utah anxious for a marquee talent to sell regular season tickets, but i'd be livid if the canucks traded pettersson for him.

compared to a guy who is constantly begged by management, his coaches and teammates to stop being a baby and is signed to what is looked at around the league as an anchor contract? Which GM wouldn't rather have Marner at 13 compared to EP at 10.6? EP being a complete no show last season was one of many reasons why the Canucks lost in the playoffs. He's been there twice his entire career. Not exactly a guy who is a proven playoff performer himself so not really fair to use that against MM.

 

[sd1976]

But a GM would have to be a real sucker not to realize that Marner's performance is in a contract year, which means next season there will very likely be a huge falloff. That's why GMs have not exactly been falling over themselves to pick up Marner.

You mean his performance that literally matches his pot pace from the last two years? That contract year performance?