Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

Where would you prefer Slaf spend his 23-24 season?


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Nedved

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Slaf looked great tonight and looked like he was having fun. game seemed a little slower for him tonight, which is great, oh and Newhook's speed helped give slaf more space and time. I wish he watched Jagr videos on puck protection, analyzed with his coaches. he seems to have a frame that could dominate puck possession.
 

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See, I thought Dach was fantastic, but I thought Newhook's speed was creating a little more space for Slaf. Anyway, the line has chemistry, curious to see how it goes for them.
I think Newhook fits well too. But Dach is slowly becoming our best all around forward. He gets the puck into the opposing zone and keeps it there. CC and Suzuki were hemmed in quite a bit tonight.

It’s no coincidence that they looked their best last year when Dach was on their line. Dach is great for creating offensive zone time.
 

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See, I thought Dach was fantastic, but I thought Newhook's speed was creating a little more space for Slaf. Anyway, the line has chemistry, curious to see how it goes for them.
Good eye. Completely agree. But Dach does open up a lot of space too when cycling especially
 

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There’s some crow feeding going on in this thread right now after 1 game which is fine.
To be expected, and that will continue i’m sure.


That was the best game Slafkovsky has played in Montreal so the excitement is warranted. But sample sizes matter. And we are talking one game in October. We’ve had our back and forth about what the best development plan is, but if he can consistently hold a top 6 spot for at least most of the season, then the conversation of him needing to be in the AHL or somewhere else can be squashed for good. But we still have a ways before we get there.
100% agreed, hence why I'm not going to act like it's a victory lap, I think I've always maintained that I think there's going to be ups and downs and we just have to see if at the end of it, the arrow is pointing up.

I think the talk about him needing to be in the AHL, does need to be squashed for a bit though. He’s here, let's just see where he's at in 10-15 games, we’ll have a better idea of where he's at.

I know thats boring lol but that's what I think.

Peaks & Valleys.
 

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I think Newhook fits well too. But Dach is slowly becoming our best all around forward. He gets the puck into the opposing zone and keeps it there. CC and Suzuki were hemmed in quite a bit tonight.

It’s no coincidence that they looked their best last year when Dach was on their line. Dach is great for creating offensive zone time.
I thought Monahan was good with them too. He kinda does the same stuff with less speed but it's still effective
 

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I've been consistent in my analysis of Slaf that he seems to be in the right place a lot, has space, but was struggling with timing. Puck follows him around but he was getting rid of it too quick. This was one of the first games where he held the puck a little longer and made some real nice plays. That dish on the Newhook goal, for a big guy with speed, is a tough play and he made it look easy.

Wait till he realizes he can come off the half board and drive to the net, or circle back and find some space to get a shot off. I think this year will be lots of ups and downs but damn he looked like a force tonight, his game was way more then just the one assist, he looked legit. Will be lots of fun to watch him grow this year.
 

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Yes it was only one game but the talent and potential is undeniable. There is alot of work to do with Slaf and his development but there is something to work with. Just wait until he matures...
Coach needs to be patient. Don't throw him under the bus MT style. Shelter him enough but not too much like AG and JK were sheltered. Continue to use him on a 2nd line with good center and work with him. Tell him what he must improve and what he is doing well. Proper development this time plz.
 
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Miller Time

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Like I said earlier, I think you need to consider context last year (which is maybe an argument in itself that he should have been in the AHL, granted), I'm not sure he was as bad and you're making it, but fair enough.

Either way, maybe the borderline thriving you're referring to has something to do with him just being more comfortable, which has a lot to do with having played last year.

I have a difficult time with the argument that there wasn't anything beneficial that he would have learned last year, struggles not withstanding, that he could apply this year.

the team took a very clear, transparent, and intentional approach with Juraj last. year.

there was ample evidence of strong alignment both in the approach, and more importantly, evaluation of the progression... one that, positively, followed with a very promising outlook and composed assurance in approaching year 2...

there's no way to quantitatively assess or evaluate the approach they took except by the one metric that was clearly irrelevant before he was picked (D+1 NHL stat line).

but what we've seen in the preseason, and what we saw tonight, very much affirms that Slaf has a boatload of potential impact well within his reach... and he's willing to go get it.

not sure what else anyone wanted from a draft absent a generational talent like bedard :dunno:
To be expected, and that will continue i’m sure.



100% agreed, hence why I'm not going to act like it's a victory lap, I think I've always maintained that I think there's going to be ups and downs and we just have to see if at the end of it, the arrow is pointing up.

I think the talk about him needing to be in the AHL, does need to be squashed for a bit though. He’s here, let's just see where he's at in 10-15 games, we’ll have a better idea of where he's at.

I know thats boring lol but that's what I think.

Peaks & Valleys.

there's no victory lap for anyone until he's a 40+g/ppg dominant force in the league... that's the potential he was picked for, that's what "victory" looks like for this pick and the development path the team supports him through.

but for those who were adamant that the approach was a "mistake" and that the player doesn't maintain that realistic potential because of his NHL stat line in year one... or worse, are sure that any of the pics after him are locks to be better than him based on a highlight reel goal or a strong NCAA season... those narratives don't match the current presentation.

let's see if he can make the most of that roadway, and enjoy the ride, shall we?
 

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It seems pretty obvious at this point Slaf is better at RW. Marty seems to really favour this anyway since he was a left shot RW himself (and has Caufield on his off wing).
classic power forward move I love it. Rocket Richard and Jagr come to mind as easy examples (not comparisons haha)
 
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JoelWarlord

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He still made two or three boneheaded plays. He has processing problems at times.

Who cares though, so did Subban. He just has to play to his strength.
Yeah I'm certainly not arguing the opposite, I don't think IQ is going to be a particular "strength" of his game and that's fine, I just never really bought in to the critiques from last year (or all summer) about it being a major major flaw or Puljujarvi bad which is about as bad as it needs to be to sink him with his toolkit. In most cases I see IQ as either a clear asset like with Suzuki, a clear detriment in a Puljujarvi case, and then the middle three quintiles it's more mushy and I think Slaf's hockey IQ grades out as generally averageish which is fine for a player with his tools. To use baseball parlance it's probably a 35 now and projects as a 45.

Just from looking at tape from his draft year it was a big difference in quickness vs who we saw last year and I think it was similar to what happened with Joshua Roy from his draft year to D+1, not exactly the same thing as Roy was straight up not in shape while Slaf was more like in the wrong shape for hockey, but it was a similar change. Roy getting in shape meant he was getting to pucks quicker and wasn't gassed once he got to them so all the ostensible decision-making problems turned out to just be "was tired all the time" problems. I think it was a similar thing with Slafkovsky where the stamina just wasn't there over an NHL schedule (and IMO this is part of why they were cagey sending him down and with his TOI), but we're seeing that quickness back in his game now and it's making a big difference. On the IQ side it's a lot easier to make good decisions when you have more time and when you're not tired.

I don't think the breathing mask and the fancy glasses are anything more than placebo really but just making a concerted effort to focus on stamina and drop a bit of weight was helpful in and of itself even if he was doing some snake oil stuff too.
 
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Prairie Habs

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Not sure why all you guys are going crazy over him, I read on the main boards that he was just a Marcus foligno clone.

Does his line have a name yet? Considering how many times I've seen each called a bust I feel there must be a good name out there. Something about buster Keaton? Busta rhymes? Just the bust line? I'll leave it to those more creative among us.
 

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Like I said earlier, I think you need to consider context last year (which is maybe an argument in itself that he should have been in the AHL, granted), I'm not sure he was as bad and you're making it, but fair enough.

Either way, maybe the borderline thriving you're referring to has something to do with him just being more comfortable, which has a lot to do with having played last year.

I have a difficult time with the argument that there wasn't anything beneficial that he would have learned last year, struggles not withstanding, that he could apply this year.
It is going to become increasIngly difficult for the proponents of sending Slaf down last year to come up with viable justifications if he keeps playing like he has the last 3 weeks really. Tonight he showed he could make real contributions in an away game against a division-winning team.

His assist was a 200 foot play really. It showed his positional awareness, his quickness to get to the defensive zone corner and muscle a guy off the puck, and then show the speed to beat two defenders up ice until he could receive the pass that put him 2 on 1 with Newhook. Finally, he displayed vision and IQ to make the beautiful backhand pass.

On the second Newhook goal, after setting Harris up beautifully for a back door goal opportunity, instead of just admiring the pass, Slaf had the IQ and speed to come flying 85 feet across the ice from the left side boards near the goal-line to the right-wing half-wall to again take away the puck from a Leaf, then got basically the "3rd assist" after seeing the right play and passing to Dach, after which he went straight to the NET-FRONT, further causing havoc and helping Newhook get free for the tip.

In addition to the assist and the play extension leading to our 4th goal, Slaf also got off some shots from dangerous areas, and almost had a similar assist as on Newhook's first, setting up RHP for a close miss.

Who still thinks he isn't picking up the game by playing with NHL teammates and getting NHL coaching? Even after he got hurt last year, he stuck around the team, always asking questions and trying to learn, according to the teammates and staff.

Slaf had the tools at 17 to beat men many of whom were below NHL calibre a bit, but they were still pros and they were still men. This narrative that Slafkovsky was not ready to start his apprenticeship is simply bull. He was, and he did, and he has made noticeable progress to where he looks comfortable in a middle six role already.

Let's stop debating this and enjoy his continued learning. There will be better games and rougher games, for sure, and probably two years before he is a first liner - but the man is an NHL player, no doubt about it.

Q.E.D.
 
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Keep it up kid, really liked the physicality and relentlessness tonight. This guy has all the tools to become a forecheck beast, also showed some nice flashes on the rush, was more decisive with the puck... Night and day from the player I saw at this time last year.
 
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