Juraj Slafkovsky - Year Two

[SlafySZN]

Well, he's certainly trying!

whatever makes you happy.

Pretty easy to see that whatever he does or improve it won't ever be good enough for you and some others.

 

[le_sean]

So let me see if I got this right.

It's not fair to compare Slafkovsky to a player his same age, from the same draft class and with basically the same amount of NHL experience in Cooley, according to you.

But it's fine to compare him to every other top drafted forward in history?

Almost as crazy as the discourse anti-Slaf posters have when they say “here are 20 reasons why I don’t think he’s a good hockey player and why the pick was a waste” directly followed by “I don’t hate him! I just want what’s best”

 

[Frank Drebin]

I’m totally with you when you criticize his point production. And I’ve struggled to find comparables. Especially comparables that look so good besides production.

My closest comparable is Getzlaf. Because his first 3 years post draft were not great. Particularly his last WHL year where his numbers were frankly mediocre. He even looked like he regressed. But no one can argue he wasn’t a key component in the Duck’s Cup.

Bertuzzi?

 

[HabsCode]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

 

[Svart]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

Yea I don't know why people aren't more negative and impatient, it would certainly help Slaf's progress... only on HFHabs

 

[admiralcadillac]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

Go ahead and be dissatisfied and pissy then.

 

[River Meadow]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

He's 19 and probably should be developing in the AHL or lesser league.

Habs are choosing to develop this very raw player in the best league in the world.

This is nowhere near to his final form.

 

[yzerman]

Really like watching Montreals games but i often feels Slavkovsky very well could be Puljujärvi 2.0 i do not see the hockey iQ for a nr 1 pick maybe not even a first rounder am i wrong?

 

[ReHabs]

I’m totally with you when you criticize his point production. And I’ve struggled to find comparables. Especially comparables that look so good besides production.

My closest comparable is Getzlaf. Because his first 3 years post draft were not great. Particularly his last WHL year where his numbers were frankly mediocre. He even looked like he regressed. But no one can argue he wasn’t a key component in the Duck’s Cup.

I know we’re rapidly burning through possible comparables of success cases with Slafkovsky’s production trajectory but Getzlaf is a new one.

Unfortunately for all involved, Getzlaf got to ply his trade in the WHL and work on his game post-draft. He wasn’t made out to be MSL’s pet project.

Almost as crazy as the discourse anti-Slaf posters have when they say “here are 20 reasons why I don’t think he’s a good hockey player and why the pick was a waste” directly followed by “I don’t hate him! I just want what’s best”

The two are not mutually exclusive. We don’t need to be undignified homers. Didn’t you have enough of that with Bergevin and his bizarre cult of personality?

If you want to compare Slaf with Cooley, go apples to apples and compare Slaf’s rookie season with Cooley’s rookie season. When I compare Slaf to other Top Drafted Forwards (and he comes out dead last) I compare their performances in their rookie season and sophomore season.

Since you guys are convinced that the NHL is the appropriate venue to develop scoring talent, it’s best to put that to the test. Unless you have another analytical tool which we’ve missed?

 

[Jaynki]

Really like watching Montreals games but i often feels Slavkovsky very well could be Puljujärvi 2.0 i do not see the hockey iQ for a nr 1 pick maybe not even a first rounder am i wrong?

Yes

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

Tell me who you wanted a first overall that would have filled the *first overall* shoes you're putting on him. Go ahead tell us , actually you don't have to say anything or even reply because that player doesn't exist

 

[bcv]

Really like watching Montreals games but i often feels Slavkovsky very well could be Puljujärvi 2.0 i do not see the hockey iQ for a nr 1 pick maybe not even a first rounder am i wrong?

lmao, yes.

 

[Hannibal]

Re-Habs, you’re digging your hole deeper and deeper. Stop before it’s toi late. Lol

Or don’t and we’ll all be happy too.

 

[Goldthorpe]

Are you comparing a rookie from the NCAA with a sophomore who played pro hockey in his D year?

Wasn't playing their D years in a lower league supposed to help a player development?

I mean, since all players end up developing in different teams and leagues and with different linemates, I guess it's impossible to compare any of them nor know which one is actually the best or not?

 

[HabsCode]

Tell me who you wanted a first overall that would have filled the *first overall* shoes you're putting on him. Go ahead tell us , actually you don't have to say anything or even reply because that player doesn't exist

Wow you got me there son. If you go buy a car and they all sucks so you chose the one who sucks the less, doesn’t mean you can’t point out that the car you got sucks.

 

[ReHabs]

Wasn't playing their D years in a lower league supposed to help a player development?

You don’t want to give any time for a player to adapt to the toughest league in hockey? Not even half of a first season?

Why do you think hockey historians distinguish between rookie seasons and other seasons?

I mean, since all players end up developing in different teams and leagues and with different linemates, I guess it's impossible to compare any of them nor know which one is actually the best or not?

If you want to view it that way, sure. It’s impossible to have conclusive evidence. We can apply induction, however, and put together a series of assertions and assumptions and develop a generalized conclusion.

Then we can evaluate this conclusion based on evidence and stats.

The problem here is that Slafkovsky is off the charts so he breaks every analysis model we try to refine. Why else do you think so many different names have been brought up in comparison to him?

 

[Saundies]

Dude is -4 and has no points in his last 7 games. Only in Montreal, land of the pointless, are we satisfied by such production for our first overall pick forward lmao.

Who are you seeing that is ~ satisfied ~ ? I don't think anyone here's like "Yep, this is good enough. Nothing else to be done here." Obviously people want the points to come. You pick a forward, especially 1st overall, and you want them to generate offense.

People are encouraged that his game is coming along and that's fine. He went from looking like he clearly didn't belong in the NHL to actually holding his own, making plays, winning battles, etc. It's a good step. He's improving as the season goes along, and that's something that you want to see.

It's funny how the same fans of other markets who would be the first to absolutely CRUCIFY how vicious and shitty the market is if Habs fans were unanimously all over Slafkovsky about his point totals are the same ones being like "lol u think he's gud? no pts lmao idiots mediocre franchise" when some modicum of patience is actually shown.

 

[HabsCode]

Who are you seeing that is ~ satisfied ~ ? I don't think anyone here's like "Yep, this is good enough. Nothing else to be done here." Obviously people want the points to come. You pick a forward, especially 1st overall, and you want them to generate offense.

People are encouraged that his game is coming along and that's fine. He went from looking like he clearly didn't belong in the NHL to actually holding his own, making plays, winning battles, etc. It's a good step. He's improving as the season goes along, and that's something that you want to see.

It's funny how the same fans of other markets who would be the first to absolutely CRUCIFY how vicious and shitty the market is if Habs fans were unanimously all over Slafkovsky about his point totals are the same ones being like "lol u think he's gud? no pts lmao idiots mediocre franchise" when some modicum of patience is actually shown.

Not sure what point you're trying to make in your last paragraph (I'll ignore the first two where you try to argue his tangible are improving, doesn't matter, a forward first overall pick is supposed to produce somewhat in his +2 seasons, anything else is a major disappointment. What is happening now is worst than Lafreniere's underwhelming debut.) But if you haven't realized it yet by the huge CH crest in my avi, I am not a fan of another market

I have been following this team for close to 20 years, and Slafkovsky play is trending towards what I've witnessed in that good amount of years: disappointment. This is Kotkaniemi 2.0. The exceptations here are so low it is incredible.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Wow you got me there son. If you go buy a car and they all sucks so you chose the one who sucks the less, doesn’t mean you can’t point out that the car you got sucks.

Yes well at least we might have chosen the one that sucks the less , its fine to be hard on him I have no problem with that but I don't think we are happier with Cooley or Wright down the line

Not sure what point you're trying to make in your last paragraph (I'll ignore the first two where you try to argue his tangible are improving, doesn't matter, a forward first overall pick is supposed to produce somewhat in his +2 seasons, anything else is a major disappointment. What is happening now is worst than Lafreniere's underwhelming debut.) But if you haven't realized it yet by the huge CH crest in my avi, I am not a fan of another market

I have been following this team for close to 20 years, and Slafkovsky play is trending towards what I've witnessed in that good amount of years: disappointment. This is Kotkaniemi 2.0. The exceptations here are so low it is incredible.

Expectations are low because the team has been garbage for 30 years what do you want us to do outside of cry about how we don't have a ppg player since kovalev and we are the worst offensive product in the league since 2007 , like fans don't run the team man.

Unlucky year to get first overall , I don't have an issue with the pick , I think we will regret the reinbacher draft more than the slaf one

 

[HabsCode]

Yes well at least we might have chosen the one that sucks the less , its fine to be hard on him I have no problem with that but I don't think we are happier with Cooley or Wright down the line


Expectations are low because the team has been garbage for 30 years what do you want us to do outside of cry about how we don't have a ppg player since kovalev and we are the worst offensive product in the league since 2007 , like fans don't run the team man

We are grown man here, no need to cry lmao calm down. I'm just not going to walk on egg shells with the guy just because this team has been a farce around the league since 1993. It is time we hold high standards on everyone in this organization, if it means raising question marks and expressing dissatisfaction about a 1st overall pick pacing for a 20 points season in his +2 instead of sugar coating his play because he "wins boards battle and look engaged" I will be the one to do it.

 

[bcv]

Y

We are grown man here, no need to cry lmao calm down. I'm just not going to walk on egg shells with the guy just because this team has been a farce around the league since 1993. It is time we hold high standards on everyone in this organization, if it means raising question marks and expressing dissatisfaction about a 1st overall pick pacing for a 20 points season in his +2 instead of sugar coating his play because he "wins boards battle and look engaged" I will be the one to do it.

lmao, you will be the one to do it? What's different from you and the dozens of other posters who says the same exact thing you do just to be able to be right on an online forum in a few years?

Also, you could say every prospect will bust and be right about 95% of the time. Nothing special about your opinion.

 

[rik schau]

If he started elsewhere the last season, are you sure we would see Slaf playing like this?

How could anyone possibly know the answer to that question,it's silly to even ask that.
Can you prove one way or the other what would be if it were to have been?No you can't,nobody can.
I just looked at his stats. 2 goals 5 assists and -7. after 29 games. Does this seem like impressive stats to you?

 

[HabsCode]

lmao, you will be the one to do it? What's different from you and the dozens of other posters who says the same exact thing you do just to be able to be right on an online forum in a few years?

Also, you could say every prospect will bust and be right about 95% of the time. Nothing special about your opinion.

I don’t give a shit about the dozens other posters who expressed the same opinion, I’m not going to read 300 pages to find out if my opinion is special, I'll let that to you. The few post I have read were praising his play.

 

[le_sean]

This thread hilarious as per usual. He’s clearly the forward that looks the best the last 10 games, but the points don’t add up, so the vultures come out. Just constant beating of the HockeyDB drum.

 

[Kennerback]

Really like watching Montreals games but i often feels Slavkovsky very well could be Puljujärvi 2.0 i do not see the hockey iQ for a nr 1 pick maybe not even a first rounder am i wrong?

He’s not Puljujarvi 2.0. There’s much more there. He’s already a more valuable player. But he needs a reboot of his offensive game. Unlike most other players, he doesn’t shoot from the mid-slot. That needs to be corrected. But progress will be incremental.